Official Samsung LNXXC630/C650 Owners Thread - Page 167

I dunno , hard to explain, but the colors are so much more alive and vibrant and natural on the LG . As noted in this review.(5300= 5400 without internet apps)

http://www.televisioninfo.com/conten...-HDTV-1749.htm

For colors , when I first turned on the Samsung I had a EWWWW factor and spent a month tweaking it (also cause of return) .With the LG it's AHHHH and I just left it almost to factory settings except turning down backlight and stuff.

Might be due that I have a S-IPS panel on the LG


BUT

As noted in the review, for general video processing , Black levels, scaling from 1080i and general level of screen artifacts like noise and stuff, the Samsung was better and I agree. Discovery HD was "sharper" and "cleaner" on the Samsung. BUT I have LESS black crush on the LG. Also less ghosting in games on the LG (panel is 2ms)

I guess it depends on what "issues" matter to you

For years I've been wondering what "clouding" and "flash lighting" was . I guess I never noticed on my Sharp and my Samsung had a perfectly uniform screen (couldn't tell if the TV was On or Off on a dark screen)...but with the LG now I know what it is.

I also notice gaining 1 inch of screen (47 vs 46) makes a big difference from where I'm sitting (from slightly too small to just right)

So I just bought my LN55C630 from Amazon and i noticed that in the bottom left corner and the top right corner there is some cone like faint clouding effect pointing out of the corner. It is not very strong but its there when the screen is on but black. Is it worth getting a replacement/repair? Its the SQ01 panel if that matters.

So I had an old 56" Samsung DLP that had a lot of problems. Luckily, Samsung ECR is letting me replace it.

My options are:
LN55C630 for $0
PN58C6500 for $500

So I can have a slightly smaller LCD for free, or a slightly bigger Plasma (with more features) for $500.

I don't want a maintenance nightmare like my DLP, so I'm wary of the buzzing on the Plasma. I also already have a PS3 with Netflix, so not sure if I need the apps on the 6500.

On the other hand, I mostly use my TV for gaming, and I've heard that Plasma is better for gaming.

Any comments or opinions on what I should go for?

How is gaming on the c6500? Any input lag? Trying to decide between that and the vizio xvt553sv. Thanks.

Wrong thread sorry.

Hi Everyone,

I'm buying Samsung LN46C630 today at bestbuy, what exactly do I ask the person assisting me with the tv purchase to check in order for me to get the samsung panel instead of the other panel models.

I am so blown away by the colors on the LG LD5300 compared to the Samsung c610. It's not even close.

Wasted 3 weeks trying to "adjust" the samsung

I think you said that before.

I read the review link you posted. But it sounds like the LG black levels are horrible. I laugh because in addition to my 55C650, I also have a Panasonic 50g10 and people are furious about the rising black levels. Even after the worst case of rising levels I've seen reported, it is still at least 3x - 4x darker than the LG. I think I'd rather have the "pop" than slightly more accurate colors...

But having said that - I'm glad you found a TV that works for you!

I have 1 day left to return my C650 (SQ01) and after reading this forum I've tried very hard to find something wrong with it (screen uniformity, etc.), but I just can't. The off angle viewing isn't great, but it's not horrible and about what I'd expect from an LCD.

Black levels aren't as great as the Samsung. but not bad either. I think it says in the review they measure the contrast ratio with the back light at maximum .

Not sure if they color are more "accurate", but they are way more "vibrant" and flesh tones much better than the Samsung. News anchors don't look like they have some pinkish/orange makeup (for the "exaggerated" effect see the Samsung "Natural Mode")

Cool - like I said - glad you found a TV you like.

I wasn't really sure what to expect with the C650 since it is my first LCD after two Panasonic plasmas, but I really like it. I guess being used to plasmas, black level is one of the first things I notice.

Not sure I've noticed the color inaccuracies you mention regarding faces. I have it set on Movie (most settings pretty close to out of the box) and faces look natural and realistic.

My problem with Movie Mode was that everyone looked sick and there was a greenish cast over the picture. Like I said earlier in the thread I got it pretty good the day before I returned it but nowhere close to how the LG looks

Here is a review on the c650's gaming performance:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-review-8.html

Some LCD models (not the c650) use IPS panels, and off angle viewing on an IPS panel is just about as good as on a plasma. So not all LCDs have mediocre viewing angles.

From wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD

Thanks! The manual says to contact my dealer if the parts are missing. I did yesterday but they didn't return my call.

I showed up -in person- today and they helped me out right away. They needed my TV's serial number and the part number. The part may take up to two weeks so I'm just going to hang the TV and put it on later.

Still loving the TV!

BTW when we were in the store I took a look at the other Samsungs. I got a bit confused - they listed the 610 series as having the Ultra Clear (glossy) panel. The 630 series sure doesn't, but I'm fairly certain the 610 and 630 are identical except for trim?

Hi, I would like your opinion on the LN46C650 VS LN46C630. I know this have been asked before and I have read through all the posts. Now the difference between the 46C650 and 46C630 is about $100 now so I am asking for opinion again before I make my purchase.

Here is what the TV will be used for:

To watch Direct TV.
To watch regular DVD (No Blu-ray)
Will not be hooked up to internet regardless of which TV I purchase.
Will be in my bedroom which will be dark except for a 6 ft lamp behind the TV which will be on because I don't like watch TV in a dark room.

I know here are the difference between the 2 TV.

46C650
Internet connection (Which I will never use)
150,000 contract ratio
Glossy screen


46C630
No Internet connection
120,000 contract ratio
Matte screen

So basically I am trying to find out if the 46C630 with matte screen and 30,000 contract ration less than the 46C650 would be just as good a picture quality.

The off viewing angle won't bother me since I will be the only person watching the TV in my bedroom and I can always have the TV turned so I can have direct view of it.

Thanks for any help.

Contrast: Sequential, otherwise known as on/off contrast, on both of these sets is around 3000 - 3500 or so and that is a good number. Contrast ratio is set with the brightness and contrast controls. Do not, repeat, DO NOT pay any attention to the advertised contrast claims. You will not be able to tell the difference so I say save a hundy and buy a couple bottles of nice wine.


Lucky you. Sometimes in my bedroom I'm looking at the TV sideways or upside down or backwards or upside down and backwards....

But that's just me

and my wife

Hi, just giving an update on this. Amazon promptly sent a replacement unit via CEVA. The replacement is an SQ05. The banding issue appears to be resolved here (or at least so minor that it's not an issue). However, there is some backlight bleed in the bottom left and right hand corners (don't see it during the day, but at night in dark scenes or letterboxed films it is more visible). Are there any suggestions on tweaks for ameliorating this? I reduced backlight, adjusted contrast/brightness/gamma etc. and can reduce it, but still....

PS Has anyone tried this (tapping method) with any success? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1125227

My replacement unit (LN46C630) didn't come with a blanking bracket, so I contacted Samsung. The rep on the Live Chat feature told me it didn't come w/ the TV and I'd have to buy one, but advised calling the support #. I did that and they promptly looked up the set and mailed the part (1-2 business weeks).

Huh - the instructions say that it should come with the TV:


I have the holder rings and the cable tie (so that's what that thing is!) plus everything else.

How much did they charge you for it? I'll raise a bit of a fuss about it on general principle if they charge me - they say it should be included and everything else is. If it's an optional accessory available separately, they should say so and I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Update: I really should do some calibration with this TV. My fiance was pointing out the blues and reds are way too vivid, and today she was noticing how the whites were taking over the screen - the image was of documents and the white was blowing out over the text, making the text unreadable. I pointed out that it was SD content and the text would be blurred if it measured less than one pixel wide, but still, the image was pretty overblown.

I tried some minor adjustments last night and wasn't able to get anywhere. There was a green/red balance but it made people's faces look green as I turned it away from red. Still have to play around with the settings I guess.

I'm still loving the TV though. Last night I was looking at photos on the TV that were in my PC. The full-resolution photos looked stunning.

BTW I'm not using the Samsung PC Share Manager for several reasons:

- (most importantly) I run Ubuntu Linux
- I understand it doesn't even run well on Windows

I'm using Serviio - a DLNA server written in Java that doesn't even require installation, it's just a simple executable. It has a profile for Samsung "C" series TVs that sends the nonstandard DLNA headers that the TV looks for.

http://www.serviio.org/

There's also a Windows version.

>> Huh - the instructions say that it should come with the TV:
>> How much did they charge you for it?

To clarify, on the online chat I pointed out that it was listed in the manual as included, and once I went through the phone support they knew right away it was supposed to come with it and sent it out free of charge.

Start here.

What is this "blanking bracket" you guys are talking about? I bought a 46c630 around christmas and i recently mounted it on a tv stand that holds it in the air from the back of the tv. I guess you're talking about a piece that covers the opening from the bottom base mount of the tv? I don't believe i received one of these with my tv, i didn't even think such a thing existed lol, i guess i'll look back through the box and materials that came with the tv

Oh. Thank you!


Check your manual, pages 4 and 42. I'm starting to think it's just cosmetic to hide the gaping hole at the bottom of the chassis if you don't use the original stand. For a while I thought it served a structural purpose as a chassis stiffener in the absence of the stand insert but now I'm not so sure.

This was regarding Dolby Digital output from USB sources.

I can say that yes, this works just fine. The first clue is when you're in Media Play mode, the Tools - Sound Setting - SPDIF Audio Format menu has two settings: PCM and Dolby Digital. The second clue is that when you connect an optical cable between the TV's digital out and an A/V receiver, the receiver flips to Dolby Digital mode.

I have no idea about DTS as I don't have any DTS-encoded materials right now, but as both the TV bezel and the manual have the "dts 2.0+Digital Out" logo it should work. Otherwise why bother with the decoder and the licensing?

If you use a stand to mount the TV, a stand guide is used, if you wall mount the TV, the blanking bracket covers that open area.
The blanking bracket is nothing more than a cover.

BN63-06339A blanking bracket
Description:
COVER-BOTTOM

I hadn't seen a response, so I thought I would give my input. First off there is a big difference from free and $500. I think this would way in heavily on my decision. If you were looking at a 46" or even a 50" lcd, compared to a 58" plasma, I would most certainly push you towards the plasma for the extra screen size. I am not sure if $500 would be worth the extra 3". As for gaming I think that the 630 will be fine, but nothing beats plasma. I have a 58" plasma downstairs in my living room that I use for gaming and blue-ray movies. I have a 46" 630 in my bedroom over my fireplace. They both have their advantages. I like to think of LCD's like a new sports car. They have a bunch of bells and whistles, there is little to worry about, and look cool. Plasma's are like bad a$$ classic cars. They require a slight bit more care, but when running they can't be beat. You have to take care to watch out for Image retention. I don't like to say burn in, because I rarely hear of anyone actually getting burn in anymore. You will freak out after playing some games with images that stay on the screen for long periods of time. You just have to remember that the IR will eventually go away, but I promise you that you will freak out over it. I actually prefer the sharpness of my 630 for pictures, but I prefer everything else on my plasma. Even though my 630 is actually really good for motion blur, I can barely notice it, the plasma is always going to win in this area. You wont have uniformity issues, and also better black details with the plasma.
All in all I think you can't go wrong with either panel, but if I was to choose one type of TV for my house...if I could only have one, it would be a plasma. I think the biggest issue you have is if it is worth an extra $500 for it. I think the 630 is such a good LCD that I don't know if I could justify it. I hope I helped a little bit. Let us know what you choose.

Hi,
I bought an LN46C630 this last Friday and received an AA04 (or maybe it's an AA06) panel, they didn't have any other panels in stock. I figured I give it a shot and try it out. After trying out many settings from this forum It seems the picture isn't quite right. Majority of the times my blacks were on the greenish tint side (even after changing settings around, including color tones;cool, warm1,warm2, ...). Other times the picture was to harsh (dynamic?) and can't find the happy medium. At times In dark scenes I also noticed green/black horizontal or vertical bands watching different sources. Would this be a defect, settings issue, or programming/signal? I'm leaning towards exchanging it, and asking for an SQ panel but I am unsure at the moment and the local BB has no more of this model in stock.

TIA

-E

Ok,
I have had screen uniformity problems with my 55C630 (AA02) panel.(Several posts back for reference) After receiving the second AA02 panel being brighter on the left hand side Crutchfield actually hand picked an SQ panel and I just got it today.(Impressed with their service BTW). This is an SQ03 and it came in "cold" off the truck. I did not have time to mess with it too much, but I set it up with the same settings on my previous AA02 panel and fired up the DVR with Flyers hockey... screen seemed uniform. Off angle viewing appeared better and washed out very little when standing off to the side. The only thing I noticed with the DVR of HD hockey was some motion blur (ghosting of players in red/orange when camera was panned). Now this could be due to a cold tv..... I did not notice blurring on "NFL replay" though. Right now the room is bright so I can not check for flashlighting and stuff like that. Is the SQ03 made in the same fashion as the SQ01? I have an SQ01 on my 45A650 that I am very happy with.

I somehow missed this post the other day, thanks very much!

My 46C650 has an SQ01 and it's great. Only some very minor flashlighting the bottom corners. Not noticeable at all unless you really look for it.

As for blurring, what AMP settings are you using? For HD NHL and NFL games, using any of CLEAR, STD, SMOOTH or CUSTOM 10/2 works great for me. No ghosting or blurring of players.

Also, make sure your DVR's output is set to 1080i.

Let us know how it goes.