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post #61 of 6204
3/15/10 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by BearcatNation View Post

Dont have the 40" myself but the two 40" C630 sets I saw at Sears had AA01 panels. The 46" sets there had SQ01. Samsung had plenty of 40" S panels last year so I wouldnt say that all 40" are going to be A panels quite yet. It is possible they changed their sourcing for the 40" sets. Time will tell.

Personally, I didnt see any issues with the A panels I saw at Sears from a uniformity and off angle standpoint. Having a A or C panel may increase your risk of a quality control issue, but I'm not convinced every A or C panel is bad and that every S panel is good. I think its more of a manufacturing QC problem than a panel design flaw.

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i think its a qc control issue also, had a sq01 46b750 and it had terrible clouding even noticable during the day. really waiting for some user-info on the c650 to see how it compares to other hdtvs out there
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post #62 of 6204
3/15/10 at 6:07pm
I have the 46A750 and now I am looking for an upgrade and the new line up is a bit confusing. Would like to get your opinion on what is the biggest different between C630 and C650?
I am unable to find anything to compare the C630 vs. C650 and the pros and cons. I am looking to get the new LCD just dont know which one to get.
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post #63 of 6204
3/15/10 at 6:26pm
I'm wondering if I should pay more for the LN46C650 over the C630. What do you guys think? What's the difference between the ultra clear panel on the C650 and the regular panel on the C630? Is the ultra clear panel that much better? One other thing, what's up with these different panel types like SQ01, etc? Will the C650 have the better panel than the C630?
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post #64 of 6204
3/15/10 at 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by BearcatNation View Post

You bring up the most important point of this whole panel debate. If you are happy with the panel you have, who cares if it is a C or A panel? Too many people are scared when they receive a C or A panel without viewing it. If it looks fine, it probably is.

If you notice a difference and it bothers you, try to see if you can get samsung or the place you bought it from to exchange it for you. More than likely, your next one will be fine. Its all QC percentages IMO.

Sounds like the problem is very limited and subtle. I believe you said its your wife's TV and you said she wouldnt notice or care so you are probably good unless you lose sleep over it.

BearcatNation,

I would agree with you but for one of my own experiences; I had a front-projection single-chip DLP projector (InFocus 7205), and I was blissfully unaware of the dreaded "rainbow" effect that many people complain about when watching single-chip DLP PJ's. So I figured I was fine...I didn't notice it, so who cares, right?

Then I had some friends over to watch a movie and a ballgame. Sure enough, about 5 minutes in to the movie, one of my friends notices this artifact, and proceeds to SHOW it to me and all my friends. Now, I'm sensitized (ignorance was bliss...he's no longer my friend...JK).

My point is, your statement is correct IF you're the only one who will watch this set, and IF you have friends over that are AV geeks that might see such an artifact, you MUST be willing to put up with it. Otherwise, my suggestion is that you get the set that doesn't have the artifact, whether or not you see it, for the reason I mentioned above.

In addition to that, I would say that I don't want to reward ANY manufacturer for putting out a flawed product. By that I mean that I won't give them my money, given that I have a choice. If people refuse to buy flawed products, the manufacturers will begin to have better QA. If we continue to buy them, there's little incentive to stop selling a flawed (even a little flawed) product alongside one that isn't.

Just my two cents based on my experiences...
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post #65 of 6204
3/15/10 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by HeavyMetal84 View Post

I'm wondering if I should pay more for the LN46C650 over the C630. What do you guys think? What's the difference between the ultra clear panel on the C650 and the regular panel on the C630? Is the ultra clear panel that much better? One other thing, what's up with these different panel types like SQ01, etc? Will the C650 have the better panel than the C630?

The 630 series has a matte panel while the 650 series has the ultra-clear panel (UCP). The UCP version, if you believe Samsung, has a much higher contrast ratio (well over 150,000) compared to the 630, which is rated at 80,000. When you view them side-by-side, however, I can't say that there's THAT much difference in contrast...the 650 picture looks smoother, but is much more subject to glare from lights, windows, etc. I will say that, in my opinion, the off-axis image of the 630 was slightly less affected than the 650, but the 650 looked slightly better on-axis (if there was no glare from the screen). It all comes down to your preference in the look of the picture. I think most people prefer the smooth look of the 650 series based just on sales figures...the 650 series tends to out-sell the 630 by more than 3-to-1, but that may have more to do with salesmanship, etc. (if they can sell you a set for $300 more, they will...)

So, if you're going to use this TV in a bright room, you may want to consider the 630. The 650 does have a few more bells and whistles in terms of internet content, but if you're using a blue-ray player or PS3 or something like that, it probably won't matter since you can get Netflix, etc., via your player.
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post #66 of 6204
3/15/10 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by wolfman1 View Post

The 630 series has a matte panel while the 650 series has the ultra-clear panel (UCP). The UCP version, if you believe Samsung, has a much higher contrast ratio (well over 150,000) compared to the 630, which is rated at 80,000. When you view them side-by-side, however, I can't say that there's THAT much difference in contrast...the 650 picture looks smoother, but is much more subject to glare from lights, windows, etc. I will say that, in my opinion, the off-axis image of the 630 was slightly less affected than the 650, but the 650 looked slightly better on-axis (if there was no glare from the screen). It all comes down to your preference in the look of the picture. I think most people prefer the smooth look of the 650 series based just on sales figures...the 650 series tends to out-sell the 630 by more than 3-to-1, but that may have more to do with salesmanship, etc. (if they can sell you a set for $300 more, they will...)

So, if you're going to use this TV in a bright room, you may want to consider the 630. The 650 does have a few more bells and whistles in terms of internet content, but if you're using a blue-ray player or PS3 or something like that, it probably won't matter since you can get Netflix, etc., via your player.

yeah, what he said....mostly

I think that my off axis viewing on my C650 is pretty good, on axis is obviously better. With a backlight at 2-5 it looks damn good in the black category and color. I think that the UCP on the C650 will, overall, produce a much better, cleaner, darker picture.
And about the glare from the screen, yes it is there but I don't think it's as bad as the B650 I returned.
These are my personal opinions of course. And I got the C650 because I thought it was the better screen, not because some useless sales person convinced me of it.....
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post #67 of 6204
3/16/10 at 7:39am
Possibly an interesting note here. I went to best buy last night to grab a couple blu ray movies, wandered over to the TV section to check out the C630 sets. I noticed the 55" C630 had a more glossy like screen. The picture looked incredible I noted with what seemed to me a more reduced glare although there was some. They didnt have the 46" or 40" C630 on display, just had the tags listed next to the 55" display.

On all 3 sizes, they had the contrast ratio of the C630 at 120,000:1 (which I believe to be false).

Got home and looked around a bit. I noticed that on Best Buy's website, under the section of product details where consumers ask questions, one guy asked on the LN46C630 if it was a matte screen or glossy screen. MrSamsung (rep who goes around to sellers websites and answers questions) responded by saying from the info he had in front of him, the 46" has a matte screen and if you want the glossy screen and Ultra Clear Panel, you need to get the 55" C630 or a C650 model.

That doesnt make any sense that Samsung would make two different size TVs of the same model line different spec wise. I was happy to see such great PQ on the 55" since I should be getting my 46" C630 soon but it looks like they possibly have different screens.

This is NOT confirmed, just speculating based on my research. Regardless, I think its about time samsung put the C630 specs on their website. Its pretty ridiculous that there is a product selling in B&M stores that isnt on the website.
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post #68 of 6204
3/16/10 at 9:24am
I am kind of wondering the same thing. I am looking to buy a 55" and move my 52" toshiba to basement to replace a rear projection. The 55" 630 has made my short list again because of the reported matte screen but i am a little concerned about the lack of info from samsung.

I was in hhgreg yesterday and looked at the 55" 630 and i can definitely say that it was much more reflective than the sony sitting next to it. When looking into the sony screen you could see the reflecting lights were obviously diffused. Much less diffusion from the 630. They had a 650 about 6 tvs down and when looking at it i could see very little diff between the 630 and 650. I wish they could have had next to each other so it would have been easier to compare.

Can anybody who owns it confirm whether it is matte - semi-matte and other differences between the 630 and 650?
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post #69 of 6204
3/16/10 at 10:14am
From my previous post...I have seen the c630 in BestBuy and Sears.

55c630 - glossy screen just like B750 next to it
46c630 - semi-matte
40c630 - semi-matte

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Originally Posted by BearcatNation View Post

Possibly an interesting note here. I went to best buy last night to grab a couple blu ray movies, wandered over to the TV section to check out the C630 sets. I noticed the 55" C630 had a more glossy like screen. The picture looked incredible I noted with what seemed to me a more reduced glare although there was some. They didnt have the 46" or 40" C630 on display, just had the tags listed next to the 55" display.

On all 3 sizes, they had the contrast ratio of the C630 at 120,000:1 (which I believe to be false).

Got home and looked around a bit. I noticed that on Best Buy's website, under the section of product details where consumers ask questions, one guy asked on the LN46C630 if it was a matte screen or glossy screen. MrSamsung (rep who goes around to sellers websites and answers questions) responded by saying from the info he had in front of him, the 46" has a matte screen and if you want the glossy screen and Ultra Clear Panel, you need to get the 55" C630 or a C650 model.

That doesnt make any sense that Samsung would make two different size TVs of the same model line different spec wise. I was happy to see such great PQ on the 55" since I should be getting my 46" C630 soon but it looks like they possibly have different screens.

This is NOT confirmed, just speculating based on my research. Regardless, I think its about time samsung put the C630 specs on their website. Its pretty ridiculous that there is a product selling in B&M stores that isnt on the website.
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post #70 of 6204
3/16/10 at 10:20am
So the CR on all three sizes are 120,000:1, 80,000:1 & 120,000:1, or unknown right now?
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post #71 of 6204
3/16/10 at 10:30am
I agree. I find it unbelievable that they would use matte on one size and glossy on another. That will most likely be a deal breaker for me because glossy panel will not work in my living room. I also find it ridiculous samsung has so much conflicting info about their panels. Listing the tv on their website would certainly help though.
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post #72 of 6204
3/16/10 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by woodyjoe View Post

I agree. I find it unbelievable that they would use matte on one size and glossy on another. That will most likely be a deal breaker for me because glossy panel will not work in my living room. I also find it ridiculous samsung has so much conflicting info about their panels. Listing the tv on their website would certainly help though.

I'm also skeptical of this information. It seems unlikely to me that there'd be differences between different sized panels of the same model line. To be fair, the panel on the C630 can easily be mistaken as glossy. It's more of a semi-matte. Those who look at it expecting it to bear zero reflections might mistake it for a glossy panel. It's has a pretty glossy look to it but it definitely produces diffuse reflections. At least it's this way on my 40C630.
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post #73 of 6204
3/16/10 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by jarsofwei View Post

I'm also skeptical of this information. It seems unlikely to me that there'd be differences between different sized panels of the same model line. To be fair, the panel on the C630 can easily be mistaken as glossy. It's more of a semi-matte. Those who look at it expecting it to bear zero reflections might mistake it for a glossy panel. It's has a pretty glossy look to it but it definitely produces diffuse reflections. At least it's this way on my 40C630.


I can only go based off what the screen appeared to be, but while the 55" C630 didnt have an all glossy look, it appeared to be noticebly different than the look of the screen on the 46" and 40" version. I did not, however, get to view these in the same environment, I have to go to HHGregg tonight to (hopefully) pick up my 46" C630, I will be able to check then for sure in the same viewing environment.

But it really did seem to be the two panels had different looks to them. I know what you mean by the semi-glossy look of the C630 screen, but the 55" looked even different than that to me. Samsung needs to get their act together with the website.
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post #74 of 6204
3/16/10 at 11:09am
Hi Bearcatnation,

I am looking to get the LN40C630 or LN40C650 by any chance what would you recommend. I am planning to use the TV as my monitor for just browse the web and a bit for game.
I have been reading in the forums and seem like everyone is getting the XC630 over XC650 any reason for that other than the C650 is aout 200+bucks more?
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post #75 of 6204
3/16/10 at 11:23am
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So the CR on all three sizes are 120,000:1, 80,000:1 & 120,000:1, or unknown right now?

Just a quick update...Samsung's website now states the CR for the 46" C650 is 100,000:1, while the 55" is 150,000:1. See link.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/t...ail&returnurl=

Anyways, STILL no info on the C630's. Funny that I can buy this at Best Buy right now, and they still don't have any info on it on thier own web site. I asked the Best Buy salesperson to check what the box said on the 46" model, but he didn't have time. I'm going back today after work, and if I find out any more info, I'll let you know.
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post #76 of 6204
3/16/10 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by bxnguyen View Post

Hi Bearcatnation,

I am looking to get the LN40C630 or LN40C650 by any chance what would you recommend. I am planning to use the TV as my monitor for just browse the web and a bit for game.
I have been reading in the forums and seem like everyone is getting the XC630 over XC650 any reason for that other than the C650 is aout 200+bucks more?

In past years most bought the 630 because of the semi matte panel vs the 650's extremely reflective glossy panel. As the year progresses the 630 and 650 will at times be even closer in price than 200. There were times in 08 when the 630 would be priced higher than the 650. It has generally been the consensus that the 650's picture was slightly better with more pop due to the ultra clear panel it used, it would simply not work in many peoples viewing environment, including mine.
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post #77 of 6204
3/16/10 at 11:30am
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Just a quick update...Samsung's website now states the CR for the 46" C650 is 100,000:1, while the 55" is 150,000:1. See link.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/t...ail&returnurl=

Anyways, STILL no info on the C630's. Funny that I can buy this at Best Buy right now, and they still don't have any info on it on thier own web site. I asked the Best Buy salesperson to check what the box said on the 46" model, but he didn't have time. I'm going back today after work, and if I find out any more info, I'll let you know.

I dont see that. When i click on the 46" c650 it also states 150000:1 same as 55". The 46b650 states 100000:1.
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post #78 of 6204
3/16/10 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by woodyjoe View Post

I dont see that. When i click on the 46" c650 it also states 150000:1 same as 55". The 46b650 states 100000:1.

Same here. It also still states 150,000:1 for the 46C650 through the support section.
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post #79 of 6204
3/16/10 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by bxnguyen View Post

Hi Bearcatnation,

I am looking to get the LN40C630 or LN40C650 by any chance what would you recommend. I am planning to use the TV as my monitor for just browse the web and a bit for game.
I have been reading in the forums and seem like everyone is getting the XC630 over XC650 any reason for that other than the C650 is aout 200+bucks more?

I would say it depends on what you would like. If you want the Internet@TV apps like Yahoo Sports, Pandora, Twitter, Netflix, etc. on your TV, go for the 650 model. If you dont need them, I would definitely recommend saving the money and getting the 630.

There is a very slight difference in PQ from what I saw, but I did not see nearly enough difference to justify the prices, so I would base my decision more on the internet apps, which I didnt need.

Regardless, I would recommend checking the two sets out in person just to see if you can see a difference in picture quality. Sears was the place I got to see both, they seem to be one of the few with the 650 model in stock.
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post #80 of 6204
3/16/10 at 12:40pm
I appreciate what everyone has posted so far in regards to the c630 line. I have been waiting to get the 40C650, but after reading this thread I might just go with the c630

I wonder why BBuy doesnt have the C650 yet. Could be that they wanted to clear there B640's and B650's which most of them are not even listed on BB's website anymore.
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post #81 of 6204
3/16/10 at 1:08pm
jarsofwei, in a previous post you mentioned your comcast dvr. One of the upgrades I am going to need is getting a HD box from comcast. I was pondering getting a tivo dvr too, but looking at the buy-in plus subscription fees, it appears the simplest and cheapest way to go is rent a two tuner dvr from comcast.

Is the cable box and dvr one unit? Are you getting a 30 min buffer on each channel? How do you like the interface and ease of use?

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I appreciate what everyone has posted so far in regards to the c630 line. I have been waiting to get the 40C650, but after reading this thread I might just go with the c630

I wonder why BBuy doesnt have the C650 yet. Could be that they wanted to clear there B640's and B650's which most of them are not even listed on BB's website anymore.

When I was at bb a week or so ago, the sales guy told me their release for the c650 is this weekend. I would of course call local stores before you leave but if what he says is true, they should have a c650 model up for display by Sunday.
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post #82 of 6204
3/16/10 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by HopeInHim View Post

jarsofwei, in a previous post you mentioned your comcast dvr. One of the upgrades I am going to need is getting a HD box from comcast. I was pondering getting a tivo dvr too, but looking at the buy-in plus subscription fees, it appears the simplest and cheapest way to go is rent a two tuner dvr from comcast.

Is the cable box and dvr one unit? Are you getting a 30 min buffer on each channel? How do you like the interface and ease of use?

I sort of went through the same train of thought. I have a comcast dvr in my living room already and I'm pretty used to it. The prospect of adding another $16/month to my cable bill wasn't that palatable. While getting a TIVO might even out over the course of 4 years, it's still a considerable upfront investment. I'm still mulling that part over while I rent this second box.

Anyway, yes the cable box and dvr is a single unit and it has a 30 min live buffer. The interface is fine but not great. It's something I'm pretty used to but it's definitely not what I'd consider a joy to use. But it gets the job done. Comcast is supposedly rolling out features to let you program your dvr remotely, so they are somewhat catching up with tivo in that regard. I'm still on the fence as to whether I'll invest in a Tivo Premiere though..
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post #83 of 6204
3/16/10 at 2:35pm
I'll have a 650 on Friday and will post my impressions this weekend.
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post #84 of 6204
3/16/10 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by HopeInHim View Post

jarsofwei,
When I was at bb a week or so ago, the sales guy told me their release for the c650 is this weekend. I would of course call local stores before you leave but if what he says is true, they should have a c650 model up for display by Sunday.

Cool thank you for the heads up on the C650. Hopefully it will be the LN40C650
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post #85 of 6204
3/16/10 at 6:31pm
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I dont see that. When i click on the 46" c650 it also states 150000:1 same as 55". The 46b650 states 100000:1.

My bad...you're right as I was looking at the b series. Both the 46" and 55" have 150,000:1.

Tried to get the Best Buy people to let me see the box for the 46" c630...still no luck.

What the heck! This is a better kept secret than my wife's real age!!
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post #86 of 6204
3/16/10 at 6:49pm
Picked up a C630 tonight at BB. 1899 w/ 10% off coupon brought me to 1709 (plus tax). Picture is remarkable, really enjoying it straight out of the box with no calibration. But I'm coming from a 6 year old NEC Plasma, but do have several recent Visio's in the collection.

PS - it does note the ability to connect to the web in the manual...
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post #87 of 6204
3/16/10 at 6:51pm
For what it's worth, B&H photo is stating that the c630's CR is 1:80,000, the same as the B630's.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc....html#features
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post #88 of 6204
3/16/10 at 7:15pm
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Just a quick update...Samsung's website now states the CR for the 46" C650 is 100,000:1, while the 55" is 150,000:1. See link.

Anyways, STILL no info on the C630's. Funny that I can buy this at Best Buy right now, and they still don't have any info on it on thier own web site. I asked the Best Buy salesperson to check what the box said on the 46" model, but he didn't have time. I'm going back today after work, and if I find out any more info, I'll let you know.

Sorry i meant the c630 not the c650.
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post #89 of 6204
3/16/10 at 7:16pm
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For what it's worth, B&H photo is stating that the c630's CR is 1:80,000, the same as the B630's.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc....html#features

MrSamsung stating the LN40C630 has a contrast ratio of 120,000:1...
http://reviews.bestbuy.com/answers/3...a%26dir%3Ddesc
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post #90 of 6204
3/16/10 at 7:46pm
Just ordered myself a LN46C630 - very excited to have it in my living room. Folks looking to order one should definitely hunt around online. I found a ridiculous deal with free shipping.

(Polite reminder: this forum has rules against posting prices or endorsing a given retailer/e-tailer... Personally I don't care what y'all post here, but don't be surprised if a mod yells at you).
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