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post #61 of 4066
3/23/10 at 6:48pm
Picked up a UN40C6300 last week (an "S" panel, for what it's worth) along with a BD-C5500 blu-ray player, and I have a couple questions I hope someone can answer.

How can I adjust the picture so that when I play DVD's of films they don't look so hyper-realistic? To my dismay, "Film Mode" doesn't fix this.

Is there a way to adjust the sound so that it is in sync with the picture? I have this problem with both DVD's and some HD cable channels (but not all HD channels, strangely enough).

I can get used to films looking like they were shot in video, but the out of sync sound is driving me up the wall. I've tried fiddling with different settings but I can't find anything that helps with either problem.
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post #62 of 4066
3/23/10 at 6:53pm
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Picked up a UN40C6300 last week (an "S" panel, for what it's worth).........

Would you be able post pics of the TV? Any noticeable clouding/flash lighting?
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post #63 of 4066
3/23/10 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by jacor View Post

Picked up a UN40C6300 last week (an "S" panel, for what it's worth) along with a BD-C5500 blu-ray player, and I have a couple questions I hope someone can answer.

How can I adjust the picture so that when I play DVD's of films they don't look so hyper-realistic? To my dismay, "Film Mode" doesn't fix this.

Is there a way to adjust the sound so that it is in sync with the picture? I have this problem with both DVD's and some HD cable channels (but not all HD channels, strangely enough).

I can get used to films looking like they were shot in video, but the out of sync sound is driving me up the wall. I've tried fiddling with different settings but I can't find anything that helps with either problem.

I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by hyper-realistic. If you are referring to a soap opera effect, it's quite possible you have the Auto Motion set to standard, which will give the effect I believe you are referring to. To eliminate this, just turn this feature off. Actually the proper way to watch full 24 fps film is w/o the AMP feature anyway.

Ken
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post #64 of 4066
3/23/10 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by jamesd3rd View Post

A friend of mine bought the 46C6400 from Costco a couple weeks ago without even realizing these are brand new models that are trickling out to stores. Anyway she discovered much to her dislike the Standard setting in AutoMotion Plus that makes things look too much like video. She set it to Clear when watching TV content or DVDs, things looked much better.

A recent firmware update opened the Netflix streaming feature but there doesn't seem to be away to change the AutoMotion Plus setting. The question is, is there a way to alter those settings when it comes to content that is streamed as opposed to when watching content from a DVD or video set top box?

No can do. I have the 55C7000 with the same problem. Streaming Netflix or any internet app. is worthless because you can't make any adjustments!! The backlighting is up full blast and is terrible!! My only solution is to stream it on my PS3 so I can adjust the picture as much as I like!
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post #65 of 4066
3/24/10 at 2:10am
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Did you see my user settings in post # 20?

Ken

Yes, I did. And they look great! Thanks!

Nothing like having razor sharp "sharpness = 100" images to really burn out my retinas!
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post #66 of 4066
3/24/10 at 2:13am
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Originally Posted by jacor View Post

Picked up a UN40C6300 last week (an "S" panel, for what it's worth) along with a BD-C5500 blu-ray player, and I have a couple questions I hope someone can answer.

How can I adjust the picture so that when I play DVD's of films they don't look so hyper-realistic? To my dismay, "Film Mode" doesn't fix this.

Is there a way to adjust the sound so that it is in sync with the picture? I have this problem with both DVD's and some HD cable channels (but not all HD channels, strangely enough).

I can get used to films looking like they were shot in video, but the out of sync sound is driving me up the wall. I've tried fiddling with different settings but I can't find anything that helps with either problem.

Ken (Hearrean) has posted some great setup settings back on page one of this thread. I had the exact same problems and actually watched all of Dexter Season Three on Blue Ray before remembering that everything was still set to "out of the box" settings.

Now that everything is adjusted better, I'm back to the same conundrum. I can't really tell much of a difference between blue-ray and standard DVD...

Not with "proper" levels of course.
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post #67 of 4066
3/24/10 at 2:17am
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Originally Posted by viperman999 View Post

Would you be able post pics of the TV? Any noticeable clouding/flash lighting?

Viperman,

The only "clouding" that is really noticeable is with a completely black screen, before any signal is sent to the display.

Once even a black menu comes up, and it's very hard to see any clouding/light areas on the black background.

This thing keeps reminding me of my old 16x9 tube television with regards to the quality/richness/depth of the colors.

And the definition... well, that's not even close!
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post #68 of 4066
3/24/10 at 2:22am
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Originally Posted by Givmeabrek View Post

No can do. I have the 55C7000 with the same problem. Streaming Netflix or any internet app. is worthless because you can't make any adjustments!! The backlighting is up full blast and is terrible!! My only solution is to stream it on my PS3 so I can adjust the picture as much as I like!

I wonder if their blue-ray DVD player that does netflix streaming has the same limitations?

And can you folks help with suggestions on how to best photograph the display?
I tried searching for "photographing lcd" and found no results.

Is there a "standard" setting for capture that'll help folks if I post them?

I'll admit I'm very new here and haven't read up on what the usual is...

Thanks!
Joe
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post #69 of 4066
3/24/10 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by langosta View Post

Yes, I did. And they look great! Thanks!

Nothing like having razor sharp "sharpness = 100" images to really burn out my retinas!

I'm probably mis-understanding your post, but the sharpness setting I showed is set at 9.

Ken
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post #70 of 4066
3/24/10 at 7:33am
Joe,

Netflix streaming from an external source does not have this limitation. It sees the Netflix source as any HDMI input. You can adjust the picture any way you like.

Tough to answer your photography question but I will give you a couple of hints:

Use a camera that you can control exposure with. A cell phone will not work. You will need a camera that lets you control exposure.

Don't use flash!! Amazing how people well try to take a picture of a TV image but flash a light on it at the same time. Turn off the flash. Maybe turn on the room lights to make it realistic.

Decrease the exposure if taking a picture of a dark image. An automatic exposure camera does not know if the image is dark. You have to tell it that by cutting down on exposure. Bracket exposure (take multiple pics) and examine the results. Pick out the one that gives dark blacks and shows detail in the rest of the image.

Basically you have to take control. A quick snapshot will not do the trick. Amazing how many people take a quick shot of a dark TV and wonder why the picture is so bad.....
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post #71 of 4066
3/24/10 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by langosta View Post

Viperman,

The only "clouding" that is really noticeable is with a completely black screen, before any signal is sent to the display.

Once even a black menu comes up, and it's very hard to see any clouding/light areas on the black background.

This thing keeps reminding me of my old 16x9 tube television with regards to the quality/richness/depth of the colors.

And the definition... well, that's not even close!

You have this global dimming turned on (can't be turned off without going in SM IMHO). So when you TV starts, this feature istn't enabled for the first few seconds. Once your TV is on this dimming feature makes your TV look really black. Thats why you see different black screens: one on start-up and one on normal viewing.
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post #72 of 4066
3/24/10 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by jamesd3rd View Post

A friend of mine bought the 46C6400 from Costco a couple weeks ago without even realizing these are brand new models that are trickling out to stores. Anyway she discovered much to her dislike the Standard setting in AutoMotion Plus that makes things look too much like video. She set it to Clear when watching TV content or DVDs, things looked much better.

A recent firmware update opened the Netflix streaming feature but there doesn't seem to be away to change the AutoMotion Plus setting. The question is, is there a way to alter those settings when it comes to content that is streamed as opposed to when watching content from a DVD or video set top box?

Problem solved. She figured it out last night. Once you start playing the movie, then you can hit the "tools" button on the remote (I assume for the TV) and you'll get some options to change the picture...including that motion plus option.

She noticed that the streaming is not as efficient using the TV as when she uses her Roku box to stream Netflix.
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post #73 of 4066
3/24/10 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by Givmeabrek View Post

Joe,

Netflix streaming from an external source does not have this limitation. It sees the Netflix source as any HDMI input. You can adjust the picture any way you like.

Tough to answer your photography question but I will give you a couple of hints:

Use a camera that you can control exposure with. A cell phone will not work. You will need a camera that lets you control exposure.

Don't use flash!! Amazing how people well try to take a picture of a TV image but flash a light on it at the same time. Turn off the flash. Maybe turn on the room lights to make it realistic.

Decrease the exposure if taking a picture of a dark image. An automatic exposure camera does not know if the image is dark. You have to tell it that by cutting down on exposure. Bracket exposure (take multiple pics) and examine the results. Pick out the one that gives dark blacks and shows detail in the rest of the image.

Basically you have to take control. A quick snapshot will not do the trick. Amazing how many people take a quick shot of a dark TV and wonder why the picture is so bad.....

Ditto...On camera flash is less than ideal. Unfortunately when using a point and shoot that's all you get because there's no control. If you can get enough light in the room without the flash that would help. Be sure to keep any glare off the screen. The most ideal is to use off camera flash and bounce it off one or more walls to produce softer more even lighting. You don't get that burst effect coming off the glass or bezel.
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post #74 of 4066
3/24/10 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by jamesd3rd View Post

Problem solved. She figured it out last night. Once you start playing the movie, then you can hit the "tools" button on the remote (I assume for the TV) and you'll get some options to change the picture...including that motion plus option.

She noticed that the streaming is not as efficient using the TV as when she uses her Roku box to stream Netflix.

Thanks for this post. I just did a quick firmware update last night on my 6500 and was hoping it included the netflix app. I've also been messing around with the AMP settings and "clear" is the best balance so far, I'd still like to try the custom setting as well. I'm going to try out the picture settings that were posted on page 1 tonight.
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post #75 of 4066
3/24/10 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by t4t3r View Post

Thanks for this post. I just did a quick firmware update last night on my 6500 and was hoping it included the netflix app. I've also been messing around with the AMP settings and "clear" is the best balance so far, I'd still like to try the custom setting as well. I'm going to try out the picture settings that were posted on page 1 tonight.

I'll be interested in hearing what you think of the settings. Also your input on any other settings you may come up with. I have gone back & forth with the settings I posted on page 1 (# 20) as to "Natural" mode vs. "Movie" mode. I tend to find however that with Movie mode, I just don't get the pop in the PQ like Natural. There may be some other settings that can compensate, but I haven't played around with the Color Space settings, which could make a difference.

Ken
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post #76 of 4066
3/24/10 at 5:54pm
In Netflix mode the picture size can not be adjusted. My question is about screen burnin, its mainly a plasma issue, but if you view number of movies on Netflix with black bars on the side or top is this a problem withled/lcd TV? Have sampled movies on Netflix about 40% have black bars. Netflix is my main movie source.
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post #77 of 4066
3/24/10 at 6:45pm
Hello... has anyone measured input lag on the TVs?

How is it playing PS3 and Xbox 360? thanks!
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post #78 of 4066
3/24/10 at 6:58pm
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Hello... has anyone measured input lag on the TVs?

How is it playing PS3 and Xbox 360? thanks!

Playing Wii over component with game mode on is fine. However, with my DVD player I have to have the sound delayed 70-80ms to make it in sync with the picture.
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post #79 of 4066
3/24/10 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by hearrean View Post

I'll be interested in hearing what you think of the settings. Also your input on any other settings you may come up with. I have gone back & forth with the settings I posted on page 1 (# 20) as to "Natural" mode vs. "Movie" mode. I tend to find however that with Movie mode, I just don't get the pop in the PQ like Natural. There may be some other settings that can compensate, but I haven't played around with the Color Space settings, which could make a difference.

Ken

I wasn't able to get into the Advanced settings in Natural mode otherwise I liked the look but did find it a little reddish. Blacks were very deep but I noticed a little bit of shadow detail lost in exchange for the deeper blacks. Main difference I noticed after playing around with Movie mode was that shadow detail was brought back but some of that great color saturation from Natural was lost.

This is all based on my subjective opinion of course which should be taken with a grain of salt. I look forward to more of your updated settings since you said you are still tweaking with DVE.

As for the TV itself, I still can't get over the clarity! Easily the most sharp and clearest picture I've ever seen. HDTV looks phenomenal, but BD is simply jaw-dropping. I still need to do some tweaking with AMP, if anyone has some recommended custom settings for that I would greatly appreciate them.
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post #80 of 4066
3/24/10 at 11:54pm
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Originally Posted by hearrean View Post

I'll be interested in hearing what you think of the settings. Also your input on any other settings you may come up with. I have gone back & forth with the settings I posted on page 1 (# 20) as to "Natural" mode vs. "Movie" mode. I tend to find however that with Movie mode, I just don't get the pop in the PQ like Natural. There may be some other settings that can compensate, but I haven't played around with the Color Space settings, which could make a difference.

Ken

When I read reviews they allways advise to switch to Movie mode. I owned 2 LCD TVS so far and on Movie the pop I liked so much when I saw it on my TVs in the store was gone. I can't get used to it.

I allwasy went back to Standard mode. Natural or Dynamic are to sharp and have completely unnatural colors on my TVs, maybe on the new sets they tweekt them to look better.

And this dynamic contrast setting which "should" be turned off makes the picture more clearer, despite of what it messes up in test pictures.
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post #81 of 4066
3/25/10 at 12:02am
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Playing Wii over component with game mode on is fine. However, with my DVD player I have to have the sound delayed 70-80ms to make it in sync with the picture.

I just got the C6400 and hooked it up today with components routed through a receiver. Played a BD on the PS3 tonight and detected noticeable out-of-synch audio - not quite as obvious as a 70's Godzilla flick, but close. As a test I hooked the PS3 up directly to the tv and the lag went away so it seems to be related to the receiver. Is sound delay a setting on the TV or the receiver?
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post #82 of 4066
3/25/10 at 4:14am
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Originally Posted by t4t3r View Post

I wasn't able to get into the Advanced settings in Natural mode otherwise I liked the look but did find it a little reddish. Blacks were very deep but I noticed a little bit of shadow detail lost in exchange for the deeper blacks. Main difference I noticed after playing around with Movie mode was that shadow detail was brought back but some of that great color saturation from Natural was lost.

This is all based on my subjective opinion of course which should be taken with a grain of salt. I look forward to more of your updated settings since you said you are still tweaking with DVE.

As for the TV itself, I still can't get over the clarity! Easily the most sharp and clearest picture I've ever seen. HDTV looks phenomenal, but BD is simply jaw-dropping. I still need to do some tweaking with AMP, if anyone has some recommended custom settings for that I would greatly appreciate them.

That is my problem/point as well. In "Natural" mode, you can't get into the Advanced settings. I also see more red than I like in "Natural" mode, but as you said, "Movie" mode just doesn't give the pop I want to see. At this point, it's a trade-off. When in "Natural" mode, to lessen the red somewhat, I play around with the tint & color settings. Interestingly, most of the red seems to be in the faces. I still feel that in "Movie" mode, making some adjustments with "Color Space" might just help, but I really don't understand the Color Space settings enough & DVE doesn't help/deal with that. It's a learning experience....but hopefully I'll get there. Once enough of us have the 6300 & 6400, we'll be able to hopefully get more input on user settings, etc.

Ken
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post #83 of 4066
3/25/10 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by jen78200514 View Post

I just got the C6400 and hooked it up today with components routed through a receiver. Played a BD on the PS3 tonight and detected noticeable out-of-synch audio - not quite as obvious as a 70's Godzilla flick, but close. As a test I hooked the PS3 up directly to the tv and the lag went away so it seems to be related to the receiver. Is sound delay a setting on the TV or the receiver?

My sound delay setting is on my DVD player. It is an old Sony so I don't know if that is an option on newer equipment.
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post #84 of 4066
3/25/10 at 11:03am
what is an "S" panel ?
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post #85 of 4066
3/25/10 at 11:48am
Does anyone else have problems with flashlighting in the bottom corners? On mine it is only visible at night in dark scenes, but I was considering trying at Costco for another one without these problems if it is not common.
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post #86 of 4066
3/25/10 at 1:39pm
"what is an "S" panel ?"

See Post #17 in this thread
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post #87 of 4066
3/25/10 at 4:33pm
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post #88 of 4066
3/25/10 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by wbackner View Post

Does anyone else have problems with flashlighting in the bottom corners? On mine it is only visible at night in dark scenes, but I was considering trying at Costco for another one without these problems if it is not common.

Yes, my UN40C6300 has "flashlighting" in the lower two corners, but I only notice it when the scene is very dark with bright content in the center of the screen. For 99.99% of what I've been watching so far it isn't noticeable.
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post #89 of 4066
3/25/10 at 5:51pm
That's a downer. I was looking forward to getting this TV. Does help turning down the backlit and would it affect overal pq?

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Originally Posted by jacor View Post

Yes, my UN40C6300 has "flashlighting" in the lower two corners, but I only notice it when the scene is very dark with bright content in the center of the screen. For 99.99% of what I've been watching so far it isn't noticeable.
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post #90 of 4066
3/25/10 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by jacor View Post

Yes, my UN40C6300 has "flashlighting" in the lower two corners, but I only notice it when the scene is very dark with bright content in the center of the screen. For 99.99% of what I've been watching so far it isn't noticeable.

This may be what I was referring to in an earlier thread. I'm betting this is an "S" panel, is that correct? It seems from a lot of reading I've done over the past couple of years that "S" panels, although much better at off-angle viewing, do tend to exhibit more flashlighting/back-light bleeding than "C" panels. From what you are saying here though, it doesn't sound too bad. If that's the case, be glad you have what you have. I'm stuck with a "C" panel because this was an exchange by Samsung for a 2009 model (with the same problem, by the way), which is very poor off-angle viewing. The wash-out of the colors is absolutely horrible when moving off-center more than about 20 degrees.

Ken
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