Official Panasonic TC-PxxVT20/25 Owners Thread NO PRICE TALK!! - Page 6

Well, since Panasonic is not replacing the Z I was hoping the VT will have a similar frame texture. I believe the Z is a metal. Pioneers are also plastic, most flat panels are, that's why I liked the Z.

So the poster might not be a fanboy. I prefer the metal bezel also.

Apart from the chrome accent, (still don't know why Panasonic continues to do this) I like the bezel on the VT20. The Z1 honestly didn't do anything for me and even came off as a bit cheap looking. Don't get me wrong, it felt rock solid, but I just didn't like the aesthetic. (pictures of the new Samsung C8000 LED-LCD struck me the same)

I think Pioneer has the right idea with just a clean box frame. I love the "one sheet of glass" look of the PZ800U and some other sets, but when it comes down to it simple is best in my opinion. One thing that manufacturers don't do too often is provide a matte finish. Panasonic did with the VT20 and hopefully the VT25. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the last time Panasonic had a matte bezel was for 2008's short-lived Black Friday special 50PE8U. Simple and clean. Kudos to Panasonic for giving matte a go again.

There was a very interesting piece in the NY Times "Science Times" section week or so ago that explained why 3D movies tend to make our eyes uncomfortable: In the real world, our eyes adjust to distance in two ways: a) the two eyes converge on an object at a particular distance b) each eye focuses at a particular distance by adjusting the curvature of its lens (or, after a certain age, by looking through a different part of your progressive bifocals.)

Since we were all babies, we've learned to coordinate the two. If we look at someone 6 feet away, our eyes converge at 6 feet and they also focus at 6 feet. It's instinctive.

It's different at a 3D movie. If some body part comes flying toward us from the screen, our eyes converge on it at a point maybe halfway between our seat and the screen. However, the focus point for each eye to see a sharp image of that flying body part always remains at the screen surface.(Where the projector is focused.) In other words, our brain is telling our eyes to converge at, say, 10 feet while it's telling the lens in each eyeball to focus at 20 feet.

That never happens in the real world, and it gives us a feeling of straining, or maybe even a real headache, especially at first. After a while, we sorta get used to it and, if it's a more "realistic" movie (vs. one with a lot of forced dramatic depth effects,) the feeling of strain goes away. Also, it's more comfortable to sit near the back of the theater, because the difference between the converge distance and the focus distance is less.

(Just something to kill time waiting for Chris to get MY 50VT25 in stock.)

Hello, kettle. You're black.


If it's true that there will be another Z, maybe that will be metallic as well. Anyone who has to place their TV in a brightly lit room will be able to appreciate that matte bezel finish though.

sorry if i repeat this info but i just read an article that said vt20 is in fact the same as vt25, simply its best buy model number thats all.

also directv will have 3d channels, and espn 3d will debut for the soccer world cup on june 11. now is espn 3d only avail thru directv?

Looks like the VT25 is black, so there is a choice.

Maybe Panasonic made the decision to have non black bezels to give the illusion of good black levels over the long term? Think about it, if you don't have a reference point of an all black frame surrounding the actual screen, then the blacks should perceiveably seem darker because there's nothing to compare to. Just my two cents. Again this is strictly based on eye perception without using light meter tools (so to the avg consumer, it won't be as easy to tell if the black levels really rise).

Can't wait for the 2nd or 3rd gen 3d sets (as 3d content because more available) as I am still thoroughly enjoying my 50PZ800u.

You all should be happy about it for buying such a excelent produkt such as VT20 or VT25

Excellent review: HDGuru

Excellent for 3D: 3D Test Plasma vs. LCD

There is only one big (huge) looser considering 3D: LCD Technology - what a suprise

Joshy

What's with the "satellite" input on the rear panel?

I couldn't find it mentioned in the operating manual.

Thanks.

Nice try.

Like I said, you obviously have a beef with Panasonic, which is fine. But please don't take your anger and frustration out on me. Thanks!

Any VT owners noticing the floating black issue? Appears to be an issue with G and S models...hoping it's not present with VT.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post18338982

Here's a few pics from my post in another thread here..
The bezel isn't glossy, but at the same sime..it's not dull..

Post & pics below...

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It's lovely so-far..I set it up this past Sat..

I have to put a few more hours on it before we calibrate..but so-far..

Here are a few pics...

Braveheart in the first shot..




Transformers here..




Lights out...Blacks levels are...




It's the TC-P50VT20...'equivalant to the VT25,
minus the RS232 port and ISF calibration mode/ports..

In US dollars..There's suppose to be a $100 difference in the two units..

Oh, and the bezel is a brush metal with a hint of bronze..
so from time to time {Depending on the light} it changes..pic below..











Here's a few pics to check out the bezel, Jazz..
it's pretty flush..I placed a pencil on the frame to give u an idea..





























Caught a few scenes of SpeedRacer on TV while I was in there..
The color in the scene was a little warmer than what the camera picked up..
















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Nice pics, thx for sharing!

Thanks for the pics Mikefinity.

Keep up the good work. And more pictures please.

Any review of the set?

Is anyone seeing flicker on bright scenes on the VT20 via Blu-ray with the setting at 96Hz?

Is anybody using the wireless feature (with adapter I imagine) yet? I thought the VT25 had built in wireless but I checked again and I don't think it does. I don't have a ethernet outlet where my new VT25 is going to go. Happy, you're a gamer, are you "hooked up"?

BTW/ I don't hate gamers-------the bastard that I am!

A few quick VT20 shots. Source: HD Cable STB. Settings: THX default.

Yes sir! Now that I'm past break-in, I'm going to do some serious gaming this weekend.

I will report back later and post some game pics too. All my stuff is wired though, so I cannot comment on any wireless features.

Arrowhead Mall in Glendale, AZ Best Buy just set theirs up in the Magnolia Store watched it with about 4 customers and 3 different Best Buy employees as they finished the setup. I actually thought it looked better than the Avatar DLP 3D. Seems to have a better field of depth than the DLP digital projector versions. If you go look at the "coral" demo if they have it still. Underwater scenes were actually better than most professional aquariums. Regular mode was of course very nice.

My thoughts exactly. I went back in to get a price match for my TV stand. There were a bunch of employees and a few customers checking out the 3D. The remarks were highly favorable. My wife got a chance for the first time to check it out. I was worried she might not like it. She loved it!------I win!! I had the Magnolia guy to switch it over to 2D. He surfed some channels and we all said WOW! I hate to even bring this up but, the blacks were so black, almost too much for me. In the home, I might have to tone it down a little.

Hope I won't have a "blacks are lowering" problem.

P.S. I have a 55gal coral reef tank so I agree with you nharbi.

Don't worry, Panny already agreed to tone it down for you over time...

LOL, hopefully I will not be overly sensitive to an increasing black lv over the next 5 or so years. Like I said, the BB demo setup had a really, really black level. There was a Kuro nearby and a Z1 in another room and the V20 looked darker than the Kuro and about the same as the Z1. Remember this is just me and very subjective. Also, the Kuro and Z1 was showing different content. They had a movie playing on them and the 50VT20 was being surfed through some channels, stopping at ESPNHD, very crisp, lots of contrast, bold color.

The satellite connection on the back is for: In January, DIRECTV and Panasonic announced a strategic relationship that will make it possible to bring 3D TV into the homes of millions for the first time. DIRECTV’s HD 3D channels, powered by Panasonic, will offer a 24/7 3D DIRECTV Cinema and pay per view event channel focused on movies, documentaries and other programming, a 24/7 3D DIRECTV on Demand channel and a free 3D entertainment channel featuring event programming such as sports, music and other content. In addition, to celebrate the launch of Panasonic’s Full HD 3D Home Theater System, DIRECTV is giving the first customer to purchase the system at today’s Best Buy launch event in New York one year of free programming, including its upcoming HD 3D service, which will be available this June.

“The superior quality of the HD 3D programming that DIRECTV will debut in June will be unlike anything that is available in the television market today,” said Eric Shanks, executive vice president of DIRECTV Entertainment. “Being able to experience that quality through Panasonic’s Full HD 3D home theater system will make our customers feel like their living room is a 3D movie theater. We have had a long- time relationship with both Panasonic and Best Buy and we are proud to be partnering with these industry leaders to make the next frontier of television a reality.”

Read more: http://www.3dtvsource.com/panasonic%...stem/#more-286

So DirecTV isnt planning to pass 3d over their receivers hdmi?

I just saw the V20 at a local BB and was very impressed by how well the 3D looked and completely agree with the comments about the "coral" demo. Now comes the hard part of waiting for it to be in stock later this week for pickup.....

Congrats man. I wish in Canada we could get some solid release dates for these tvs.

Thanks for the response.

So the TV will directly connect to a DIRECTV satellite dish to get the 3D content?

If so, how will DIRECTV handle 3D for customers who don't have a Panasonic?

I would think the 3D will come in a "channel" like - say - ESPN HD - it would be ESPN 3D. Then Directv may or may not force you to pay a premium, get a new box, and then of course u gotta have a 3D capability, eg. Panasonic. ALl other channels remain the same.

Just did a 3d demo at BB. Very impressed with the 3D. Really cool. Not really impressed with the blacks though. When my 58S1 was new, the blacks were definately just as dark, and this was in a dark magnolia showroom. The blacks didin't compare to the Kuro next to it. I think the blacks have definately risen on the set. If they haven't then I don't understand all the hype with these televisions. Just my take...

And the 3d was light years ahead of the LED 3D. Not even a comparison. Like the plasma 3D looked at least 3 generations of ahead of the Samsung with 3D.

Well the hype is real given the understanding/acceptance of the disadvantage of another type of TV's, for example, plasma vs LCD, especially LED edge-lit LCD. You gotta compare apple to apple my friend.

As for the Panny, its still a Panny so u cant really compare a Panny black to a Kuro black.

I honestly think whoever makes a purchase now and not get 3D will regret. It's the next must-have in terms of technology. After HD, what else do u ask for?