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post #151 of 10650
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Originally Posted by happy nightmares View Post

How are we going overboard by calling-out an obvious troll in the thread?

I'm not even talking about the TV or black levels, but I find it interesting you mentioned those things when quoting me. Hmmm.

hhaller, if you want to take a shot at Panasonic, feel free. Go ahead. It won't bother me. They deserve it. It's not my company and I have no particular attachment to their brand, or any other. But please don't use my quote as some type of disguise or excuse for your shot against Panasonic. Your comment and my comment have nothing to do with each other. I was talking about 'people'. You are talking about black levels and "lemons" etc.

I have nothing against Pioneer. They are the benchmark. However, there are Pioneer fans and there are fanboys. Like anything else.

Peace.

Hello, kettle. You're black.

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Well, since Panasonic is not replacing the Z I was hoping the VT will have a similar frame texture. I believe the Z is a metal. Pioneers are also plastic, most flat panels are, that's why I liked the Z.

So the poster might not be a fanboy. I prefer the metal bezel also.

If it's true that there will be another Z, maybe that will be metallic as well. Anyone who has to place their TV in a brightly lit room will be able to appreciate that matte bezel finish though.
post #152 of 10650
sorry if i repeat this info but i just read an article that said vt20 is in fact the same as vt25, simply its best buy model number thats all.

also directv will have 3d channels, and espn 3d will debut for the soccer world cup on june 11. now is espn 3d only avail thru directv?
post #153 of 10650
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Originally Posted by esp2684 View Post

I currently have a Pioneer 111FD so I'm used to an all black bezel and with all the lights off the image is just floating up against the wall. It came as a shock to see Panasonic taking a not-black-bezel approach to the flagship models.

Looks like the VT25 is black, so there is a choice.
post #154 of 10650
Maybe Panasonic made the decision to have non black bezels to give the illusion of good black levels over the long term? Think about it, if you don't have a reference point of an all black frame surrounding the actual screen, then the blacks should perceiveably seem darker because there's nothing to compare to. Just my two cents. Again this is strictly based on eye perception without using light meter tools (so to the avg consumer, it won't be as easy to tell if the black levels really rise).

Can't wait for the 2nd or 3rd gen 3d sets (as 3d content because more available) as I am still thoroughly enjoying my 50PZ800u.
post #155 of 10650
You all should be happy about it for buying such a excelent produkt such as VT20 or VT25

Excellent review: HDGuru

Excellent for 3D: 3D Test Plasma vs. LCD

There is only one big (huge) looser considering 3D: LCD Technology - what a suprise

Joshy
post #156 of 10650
What's with the "satellite" input on the rear panel?

I couldn't find it mentioned in the operating manual.

Thanks.
post #157 of 10650
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

Hello, kettle. You're black.

Nice try.

Like I said, you obviously have a beef with Panasonic, which is fine. But please don't take your anger and frustration out on me. Thanks!
post #158 of 10650
Any VT owners noticing the floating black issue? Appears to be an issue with G and S models...hoping it's not present with VT.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post18338982
post #159 of 10650
Here's a few pics from my post in another thread here..
The bezel isn't glossy, but at the same sime..it's not dull..

Post & pics below...

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It's lovely so-far..I set it up this past Sat..

I have to put a few more hours on it before we calibrate..but so-far..

Here are a few pics...

Braveheart in the first shot..




Transformers here..




Lights out...Blacks levels are...



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Originally Posted by Jazz Monkey Jr View Post

Hi Mike, Is that the US VT25 cut-down version, it looks the same as the EU VT20.

Cann you take some more pics with the lights on from the sides, I want to see how flush the bezel is with the screen.

It's the TC-P50VT20...'equivalant to the VT25,
minus the RS232 port and ISF calibration mode/ports..

In US dollars..There's suppose to be a $100 difference in the two units..

Oh, and the bezel is a brush metal with a hint of bronze..
so from time to time {Depending on the light} it changes..pic below..











Here's a few pics to check out the bezel, Jazz..
it's pretty flush..I placed a pencil on the frame to give u an idea..





























Caught a few scenes of SpeedRacer on TV while I was in there..
The color in the scene was a little warmer than what the camera picked up..
















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post #160 of 10650
Nice pics, thx for sharing!
post #161 of 10650
Thanks for the pics Mikefinity.

Keep up the good work. And more pictures please.

Any review of the set?
post #162 of 10650
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Originally Posted by dbwinter View Post

Are you seeing flicker on Blu-ray with the 96Hz setting?

The reason why I ask is because if you are seeing it on your broadcast system (Sky, Cable or whatever is equivalent in the US), this will be at 60Hz (ie NTSC) and this will be seen as 60Hz on the screen which quite a few people can see as flickering.

With my Pioneer plasma, I can see 60Hz flicker on US region 1 DVDs. Fortunately, the Pioneer has cadence detection which outputs these at 72Hz when enabled in the advanced menu. After this is done I can no longer see flicker and I am very sensitive to it.

What a brilliant thread by the way

Is anyone seeing flicker on bright scenes on the VT20 via Blu-ray with the setting at 96Hz?
post #163 of 10650
Is anybody using the wireless feature (with adapter I imagine) yet? I thought the VT25 had built in wireless but I checked again and I don't think it does. I don't have a ethernet outlet where my new VT25 is going to go. Happy, you're a gamer, are you "hooked up"?

BTW/ I don't hate gamers-------the bastard that I am!
post #164 of 10650
A few quick VT20 shots. Source: HD Cable STB. Settings: THX default.





post #165 of 10650
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Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post

Happy, you're a gamer, are you "hooked up"?

Yes sir! Now that I'm past break-in, I'm going to do some serious gaming this weekend.

I will report back later and post some game pics too. All my stuff is wired though, so I cannot comment on any wireless features.
post #166 of 10650
Arrowhead Mall in Glendale, AZ Best Buy just set theirs up in the Magnolia Store watched it with about 4 customers and 3 different Best Buy employees as they finished the setup. I actually thought it looked better than the Avatar DLP 3D. Seems to have a better field of depth than the DLP digital projector versions. If you go look at the "coral" demo if they have it still. Underwater scenes were actually better than most professional aquariums. Regular mode was of course very nice.
post #167 of 10650
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Originally Posted by nharbi View Post

Arrowhead Mall in Glendale, AZ Best Buy just set theirs up in the Magnolia Store watched it with about 4 customers and 3 different Best Buy employees as they finished the setup. I actually thought it looked better than the Avatar DLP 3D. Seems to have a better field of depth than the DLP digital projector versions. If you go look at the "coral" demo if they have it still. Underwater scenes were actually better than most professional aquariums. Regular mode was of course very nice.

My thoughts exactly. I went back in to get a price match for my TV stand. There were a bunch of employees and a few customers checking out the 3D. The remarks were highly favorable. My wife got a chance for the first time to check it out. I was worried she might not like it. She loved it!------I win!! I had the Magnolia guy to switch it over to 2D. He surfed some channels and we all said WOW! I hate to even bring this up but, the blacks were so black, almost too much for me. In the home, I might have to tone it down a little.

Hope I won't have a "blacks are lowering" problem.

P.S. I have a 55gal coral reef tank so I agree with you nharbi.
post #168 of 10650
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Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post

I hate to even bring this up but, the blacks were so black, almost too much for me. In the home, I might have to tone it down a little.

Don't worry, Panny already agreed to tone it down for you over time...
post #169 of 10650
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Originally Posted by ratdoc View Post

Don't worry, Panny already agreed to tone it down for you over time...

LOL, hopefully I will not be overly sensitive to an increasing black lv over the next 5 or so years. Like I said, the BB demo setup had a really, really black level. There was a Kuro nearby and a Z1 in another room and the V20 looked darker than the Kuro and about the same as the Z1. Remember this is just me and very subjective. Also, the Kuro and Z1 was showing different content. They had a movie playing on them and the 50VT20 was being surfed through some channels, stopping at ESPNHD, very crisp, lots of contrast, bold color.
post #170 of 10650
The satellite connection on the back is for: In January, DIRECTV and Panasonic announced a strategic relationship that will make it possible to bring 3D TV into the homes of millions for the first time. DIRECTV’s HD 3D channels, powered by Panasonic, will offer a 24/7 3D DIRECTV Cinema and pay per view event channel focused on movies, documentaries and other programming, a 24/7 3D DIRECTV on Demand channel and a free 3D entertainment channel featuring event programming such as sports, music and other content. In addition, to celebrate the launch of Panasonic’s Full HD 3D Home Theater System, DIRECTV is giving the first customer to purchase the system at today’s Best Buy launch event in New York one year of free programming, including its upcoming HD 3D service, which will be available this June.

“The superior quality of the HD 3D programming that DIRECTV will debut in June will be unlike anything that is available in the television market today,” said Eric Shanks, executive vice president of DIRECTV Entertainment. “Being able to experience that quality through Panasonic’s Full HD 3D home theater system will make our customers feel like their living room is a 3D movie theater. We have had a long- time relationship with both Panasonic and Best Buy and we are proud to be partnering with these industry leaders to make the next frontier of television a reality.”

Read more: http://www.3dtvsource.com/panasonic%...stem/#more-286
post #171 of 10650
So DirecTV isnt planning to pass 3d over their receivers hdmi?
post #172 of 10650
I just saw the V20 at a local BB and was very impressed by how well the 3D looked and completely agree with the comments about the "coral" demo. Now comes the hard part of waiting for it to be in stock later this week for pickup.....
post #173 of 10650
Congrats man. I wish in Canada we could get some solid release dates for these tvs.
post #174 of 10650
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Originally Posted by discodol View Post

The satellite connection on the back is for: In January, DIRECTV and Panasonic announced a strategic relationship that will make it possible to bring 3D TV into the homes of millions for the first time. DIRECTV's HD 3D channels, powered by Panasonic, will offer a 24/7 3D DIRECTV Cinema and pay per view event channel focused on movies, documentaries and other programming, a 24/7 3D DIRECTV on Demand channel and a free 3D entertainment channel featuring event programming such as sports, music and other content. In addition, to celebrate the launch of Panasonic's Full HD 3D Home Theater System, DIRECTV is giving the first customer to purchase the system at today's Best Buy launch event in New York one year of free programming, including its upcoming HD 3D service, which will be available this June.

The superior quality of the HD 3D programming that DIRECTV will debut in June will be unlike anything that is available in the television market today, said Eric Shanks, executive vice president of DIRECTV Entertainment. Being able to experience that quality through Panasonic's Full HD 3D home theater system will make our customers feel like their living room is a 3D movie theater. We have had a long- time relationship with both Panasonic and Best Buy and we are proud to be partnering with these industry leaders to make the next frontier of television a reality.

Read more: http://www.3dtvsource.com/panasonic%...stem/#more-286

Thanks for the response.

So the TV will directly connect to a DIRECTV satellite dish to get the 3D content?

If so, how will DIRECTV handle 3D for customers who don't have a Panasonic?
post #175 of 10650
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Originally Posted by rjruby View Post

Thanks for the response.

So the TV will directly connect to a DIRECTV satellite dish to get the 3D content?

If so, how will DIRECTV handle 3D for customers who don't have a Panasonic?

I would think the 3D will come in a "channel" like - say - ESPN HD - it would be ESPN 3D. Then Directv may or may not force you to pay a premium, get a new box, and then of course u gotta have a 3D capability, eg. Panasonic. ALl other channels remain the same.
post #176 of 10650
Just did a 3d demo at BB. Very impressed with the 3D. Really cool. Not really impressed with the blacks though. When my 58S1 was new, the blacks were definately just as dark, and this was in a dark magnolia showroom. The blacks didin't compare to the Kuro next to it. I think the blacks have definately risen on the set. If they haven't then I don't understand all the hype with these televisions. Just my take...

And the 3d was light years ahead of the LED 3D. Not even a comparison. Like the plasma 3D looked at least 3 generations of ahead of the Samsung with 3D.
post #177 of 10650
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Originally Posted by mustangs1 View Post

Just did a 3d demo at BB. Very impressed with the 3D. Really cool. Not really impressed with the blacks though. When my 58S1 was new, the blacks were definately just as dark, and this was in a dark magnolia showroom. The blacks didin't compare to the Kuro next to it. I think the blacks have definately risen on the set. If they haven't then I don't understand all the hype with these televisions. Just my take...

Well the hype is real given the understanding/acceptance of the disadvantage of another type of TV's, for example, plasma vs LCD, especially LED edge-lit LCD. You gotta compare apple to apple my friend.

As for the Panny, its still a Panny so u cant really compare a Panny black to a Kuro black.

I honestly think whoever makes a purchase now and not get 3D will regret. It's the next must-have in terms of technology. After HD, what else do u ask for?
post #178 of 10650
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Originally Posted by kevinmscs View Post

Well the hype is real given the understanding/acceptance of the disadvantage of another type of TV's, for example, plasma vs LCD, especially LED edge-lit LCD. You gotta compare apple to apple my friend.

As for the Panny, its still a Panny so u cant really compare a Panny black to a Kuro black.

I honestly think whoever makes a purchase now and not get 3D will regret. It's the next must-have in terms of technology. After HD, what else do u ask for?


Well, my S1 out of the box was easily just as dark, and that is confirmed by reviews, with the 50 VT20 measuring .004 ftl, and 58S1 .005/6, so maybe marginally brighter. Certainly KILLS my S1's black level now. I'd say that the VT20 is at least 2.5 times darker than my 58S1 now. Certainly more than .001 ftl Really a joke. But yeah, I was hoping for deeper blacks his year, but they are only marginally better pre rise.The 3D is killer. Really good.
post #179 of 10650
[quote=mustangs1;18351199]Just did a 3d demo at BB. Very impressed with the 3D. Really cool. Not really impressed with the blacks though. When my 58S1 was new, the blacks were definately just as dark, and this was in a dark magnolia showroom. The blacks didin't compare to the Kuro next to it. I think the blacks have definately risen on the set. If they haven't then I don't understand all the hype with these televisions. Just my take...
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That's strange about what you saw with the blacks. At least 7 of us remarked how black the blacks were on the VT. And, blacker than the Kuro (that was there----gone now) just a few set away. But, the content was different at the time. The Kuro had some movie playing on it and the VT had a 2D (ESPNHD) channel on.
post #180 of 10650
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Originally Posted by mustangs1 View Post

Well, my S1 out of the box was easily just as dark, and that is confirmed by reviews, with the 50 VT20 measuring .004 ftl, and 58S1 .005/6, so maybe marginally brighter..

I don't recall any reviews that put the S1 lower than .008 ft/L. The VT20's blacks increase when in 3D mode to compensate for the glasses; I don't suppose the set you saw was running in 2D mode?
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