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post #1501 of 10643
5/31/10 at 6:41am
Could someone post the picture mode setting they are using for the TX-P50VT25 and the settings for contrast, brightness, color, tint and sharpness.
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post #1502 of 10643
5/31/10 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by bbronczyk View Post

I was one of the 50vt25 owners that had the firmware downgrade after doing the first upgrade online. Everything went fine with my recent upgrade to the new version 2.0 release. Still loving this set, just stunning! Can't wait to see some 3d content. Just have to wait for Comcast to broadcast something, since I'm not about to buy another BD player.

Thanks for the update. Also thanks for your remarks about the stunning performance. It will be a couple more weeks before I see my 58VT. I did get the player and extra glasses. The only reason I splurged is, I had to lease (sell for this year) my Redskins season tickets. I figured if I was going to let them go, I wanted my money's worth. Maybe I will get to see a game or two in 3D, and it will be like in my seats.
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post #1503 of 10643
5/31/10 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by dandaroy View Post

Plasma is not for me because of line bleed, LCD is not for me because of motion artifact!! WTF?? I guess I should just dust up my trusty old CRT and live with a SD picture now???

That would be my recommendation for you. Everything will be perfect in 2012
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post #1504 of 10643
5/31/10 at 8:16am
I finally tried to watch a 3D movie on my VT25 today.

I don't have a 3d Blu-Ray player, so I got an OnDemand 3D movie from Comcast, but I couln't get it to work correctly. I tried every permutation in the 3D settings menu.

The best I could do was when I switched the mode from Auto to either side/side or top/bottom, it went from looking 2D to semi-3D. I could tell 3D had turned on, but the images were too far apart. There was a little 3D to it, but red and green images were still evident. Worse yet, I'd see an image on part of the screen an the same on all the way on the other side (not just overlapping each other). Also, things looked like they merged into each other rather than being in front/ in back of each other.

I can't tell if something's wrong with my TV, the glasses or settings. Since I've tried just about every combination of settings, I don't think it's that.

Any help would be appreciated.

- Frank
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post #1505 of 10643
5/31/10 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by nunofcp View Post

European VT20 Review
http://hdtelevizija.com/2010/05/30/r...0vt20e-127-cm/

I sure understood the stars and picture halfway down this page!

http://hdtelevizija.com/2010/05/30/r...20e-127-cm/13/
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post #1506 of 10643
5/31/10 at 8:25am
Frank,

Ooof. I would have felt better if you had the demo disc that came with the Panasonic BD player.

Hard to tell where the problem lies. Is the OnDemand 3D movie catered for the new technology or the old cardboard glasses? Perhaps 3D is 3D and what is being broadcast should work with both technologies. I don't know enough about this to tell.

I can say this -- without an official demo disc or 3D Blu-ray release you can't put the blame on the display.
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post #1507 of 10643
5/31/10 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

Frank,

Ooof. I would have felt better if you had the demo disc that came with the Panasonic BD player.

Hard to tell where the problem lies. Is the OnDemand 3D movie catered for the new technology or the old cardboard glasses? Perhaps 3D is 3D and what is being broadcast should work with both technologies. I don't know enough about this to tell.

I can say this -- without an official demo disc or 3D Blu-ray release you can't put the blame on the display.

It sure would help to have a 3D Blu-Ray player to troubleshoot, that's for sure. But I would have thought that any 3D broadcast would have worked. In this case, the movie was Final Destination 3D and unfortunately, it's the only 3D movie being offered by Comcast at the moment.

- Frank
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post #1508 of 10643
5/31/10 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by ftlum View Post

I finally tried to watch a 3D movie on my VT25 today.

I don't have a 3d Blu-Ray player, so I got an OnDemand 3D movie from Comcast, but I couln't get it to work correctly. I tried every permutation in the 3D settings menu.

The best I could do was when I switched the mode from Auto to either side/side or top/bottom, it went from looking 2D to semi-3D. I could tell 3D had turned on, but the images were too far apart. There was a little 3D to it, but red and green images were still evident. Worse yet, I'd see an image on part of the screen an the same on all the way on the other side (not just overlapping each other). Also, things looked like they merged into each other rather than being in front/ in back of each other.

I can't tell if something's wrong with my TV, the glasses or settings. Since I've tried just about every combination of settings, I don't think it's that.

Any help would be appreciated.

- Frank

Are you sure it was/is a Full HD 3D presentation by Comcast? I have Comcast and other than the Masters 3D, which was excellent, I have not seen any other announcements. The movie you were trying to see may have been a analog 3D movie. They have been on TV in the past. You said you saw red and green images. If you have an old pair of 3D glasses laying around, use those and see what happens. Just a guess.
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post #1509 of 10643
5/31/10 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by ftlum View Post

It sure would help to have a 3D Blu-Ray player to troubleshoot, that's for sure. But I would have thought that any 3D broadcast would have worked. In this case, the movie was Final Destination 3D and unfortunately, it's the only 3D movie being offered by Comcast at the moment.

- Frank

That one uses the old 3d glasses. I do not believe any provider offers anything 3d at this point.
A baseball game or two on the yes network and the world cup will be the first true content to watch going forward. The masters as Jimmy said was on last month
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post #1510 of 10643
5/31/10 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by KUJayhawk20659 View Post

That one uses the old 3d glasses. I do not believe any provider offers anything 3d at this point.
A baseball game or two on the yes network and the world cup will be the first true content to watch going forward. The masters as Jimmy said was on last month

Exactly. A quick Google search will show that they've been offering that movie for over four months and it's the old school 3D that can display on any regular Television and a pair of the cheap filter glasses.
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post #1511 of 10643
5/31/10 at 9:23am
Okay, so we established the fact that as of this date there is no content being broadcast that supports the new 3D standard.

Fortunately, pending on your provider, that should all change over the next few months starting with DirecTV (June) and going thru Verizon Fios (Q4).
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post #1512 of 10643
5/31/10 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by Skeenatron View Post

Yup, I'm sure it will be there. How often I notice it and how bad it looks when I do will determine if I keep the set or not. It will have to be pretty ugly to trump all the other pros this TV comes with, but we will see. When it comes to 2010 plasmas, there is literally no better alternative other than just not making a purchase. I will not buy another LCD.

Hopefully you will be happy overall! Seems like your senstitivity to this issue to same or close to mine, so I would very much appreciate your feedback on it. Please provide some as soon as you get the unit. Also please do comment on the general PQ, IR, flicker (if any), etc. You are right about choosing the least of all evils. There does not seem to be any model this year which is devoid of any issues. I have a high end LCD where I see some motion artifacts and I need to decide if going to plasma is going to be a overall enjoyable experience or if I just will be trading for a different set of problems.
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post #1513 of 10643
5/31/10 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

Okay, so we established the fact that as of this date there is no content being broadcast that supports the new 3D standard.

Fortunately, pending on your provider, that should all change over the next few months starting with DirecTV (June) and going thru Verizon Fios (Q4).

A man named Frank has been posting his own 3d video that he has made in the 3d section on the site.
I for one can not wait to see it, but I wont have my tv for another week or so.
You guys that have it already check it out!!
You can just hook the pc to the tv to view it
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post #1514 of 10643
5/31/10 at 10:20am
Has anyone been able to test out 3D gaming yet? I'm very curious about multiplayer privacy gaming. Where one player wears the glasses and sees one image, while the other player wears his glasses and sees a completely different image. One person uses the "left eye" field while the other uses the "right eye" field. Total game privacy when 2 people are playing.
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post #1515 of 10643
5/31/10 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by dandaroy View Post

Hopefully you will be happy overall! Seems like your senstitivity to this issue to same or close to mine, so I would very much appreciate your feedback on it. Please provide some as soon as you get the unit. Also please do comment on the general PQ, IR, flicker (if any), etc. You are right about choosing the least of all evils. There does not seem to be any model this year which is devoid of any issues. I have a high end LCD where I see some motion artifacts and I need to decide if going to plasma is going to be a overall enjoyable experience or if I just will be trading for a different set of problems.

Oh I'll give you guys the low down for sure.
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post #1516 of 10643
5/31/10 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by ambercat View Post

Could someone post the picture mode setting they are using for the TX-P50VT25 and the settings for contrast, brightness, color, tint and sharpness.

ditto, out of the box THX settings with normal color mode look great, but any recommendations to dial in my new 58vt25 would be much appreciated. THX
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post #1517 of 10643
5/31/10 at 11:06am
Hi everyone! Can someone please help me? I might go to Korea in a year or maybe less, and I purchased a 58" VT25. Does anyone know if these TVs have a high resale value? Thanks for reading my post.
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post #1518 of 10643
5/31/10 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by songohan7777 View Post

Hi everyone! Can someone please help me? I might go to Korea in a year or maybe less, and I purchased a 58" VT25. Does anyone know if these TVs have a high resale value? Thanks for reading my post.

No piece of consumer electronics has a "high resale value". You might find some sucker on Craigslist who will give you a decent price on a used TV but whatever is available in 12 months time will likely be better AND cheaper than the VT25.
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post #1519 of 10643
5/31/10 at 11:27am
Assuming you have ordered a 58 and not recvd it yet, put it on ebay or "for sale add" as still in the box for 30% off retail. That equals reported EPP price. If you actually have the 58, unboxed and used but you want to get rid of it within a few months or so, may get 65% to 75% of what you paid. If it is next year, try going to a furniture/TV rental company like ABC, they might buy it from you for a reasonable amount. They will re-coupe any amount paid and then some. No matter what you do, you are going to take a loss.
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post #1520 of 10643
5/31/10 at 11:46am
Take a look at that!:

Test results

Joshy
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post #1521 of 10643
5/31/10 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by TV-Junky View Post

Take a look at that!:

Test results

Joshy

.0004!

Either these guys or someone else has measured this panel wrong or they have done something in the newer production runs because that is a remarkable black level.
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post #1522 of 10643
5/31/10 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

.0004!

Either these guys or someone else has measured this panel wrong or they have done something in the newer production runs because that is a remarkable black level.

Perhaps it has to do with firmware and or equipment used. My brother has another firmware on his VT20 (European edition) and he has noticeable better black levels with the same settings and same hardware (DMP-BDT300, PS3, Xbox 360 and HD cable stb). I have firmware v2.100 and he has v2.103. That bunch of mofo's over at Panasonic just won't put that or higher firmware online.
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post #1523 of 10643
5/31/10 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by $$Buck-Naked$$ View Post

Perhaps it has to do with firmware and or equipment used. My brother has another firmware on his VT20 (European edition) and he has noticeable better black levels with the same settings and same hardware (DMP-BDT300, PS3, Xbox 360 and HD cable stb). I have firmware v2.100 and he has v2.103. That bunch of mofo's over at Panasonic just won't put that or higher firmware online.

Well, certainly you are getting into such low black levels that the type of meter being used, and how well calibrated it is, not to mention how carefully the measurement is taken all comes into play.

If history repeats itself the 58 and 65 panels will have slightly lower black levels than the 50 and 54.

Also, if the black level rise follows the same pattern as last year then the larger sets will only see about a doubling of original black level, which means that even after doubling you will still have black levels on par with earlier Kuro tech.
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post #1524 of 10643
5/31/10 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

You guys crack me up. If you can only see the line bleed on a green background and cannot see it during any regular content then what does it matter if that artifact of Plasma tech is present?

EGGS-actly. I'm using a (non-Panasonic) plasma that also has visible "bleed" on the MPAA green screens (most of them, they all aren't exactly the same shade of green, some are brighter, some are darker, some drift a little towards yellow, some drift towards cyan). I've never detected bleed during a movie. I mean, they may use green screen for SFX production, but you don't see scenes in movies with solid bright green and a little detail here and there. Since you don't see bleed with blue MPAA screens or gray screens (haven't seen an all-red MPAA screen or some similar test pattern), you don't see bleed at times when it might be an issue (like a boxing ring).
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post #1525 of 10643
5/31/10 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

That will give you a viewing angle of 26.5 degrees. You will not see all the detail present in the picture at that distance. THX recommends a viewing angle of 36 degrees. That means you would have to sit 7 feet 4 inches from the panel (88 inches). ............................................................ .

Thank you for an incredibly detailed reply!
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post #1526 of 10643
5/31/10 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

EGGS-actly. I'm using a (non-Panasonic) plasma that also has visible "bleed" on the MPAA green screens (most of them, they all aren't exactly the same shade of green, some are brighter, some are darker, some drift a little towards yellow, some drift towards cyan). I've never detected bleed during a movie. I mean, they may use green screen for SFX production, but you don't see scenes in movies with solid bright green and a little detail here and there. Since you don't see bleed with blue MPAA screens or gray screens (haven't seen an all-red MPAA screen or some similar test pattern), you don't see bleed at times when it might be an issue (like a boxing ring).

But what about watching tv? I have use the TV for both. I realize that during movies it will probably not be as apparent, but not sure about tv watching.
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post #1527 of 10643
5/31/10 at 3:34pm
Has anyone setup Skype yet? What cameras are compatible, trying to find a cheaper alternative to the Panasonic brand they recommend?
thx
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post #1528 of 10643
5/31/10 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by $$Buck-Naked$$ View Post

Perhaps it has to do with firmware and or equipment used. My brother has another firmware on his VT20 (European edition) and he has noticeable better black levels with the same settings and same hardware (DMP-BDT300, PS3, Xbox 360 and HD cable stb). I have firmware v2.100 and he has v2.103. That bunch of mofo's over at Panasonic just won't put that or higher firmware online.

I know someone claimed with a samsung firmware uprade it went from .026 to .016,did not know that blacks could get better with firmware updates..I hope they release the updated firmwares in the usa.
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post #1529 of 10643
5/31/10 at 4:45pm
So how happy are you guys with your panny? Im between the c8000 and the vt25, all this talk of black levels is messing me up... dunno how much of a deal breaker it is yet
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post #1530 of 10643
5/31/10 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by New2Panels View Post

I just ordered a 58" from BB. The SKU and coupon in this thread worked great. Delivery is late June, so it does look like 65's ahead of 58. I'm in middle of country, so probably get them later than coasts.

They were unclear if the glasses come with the 58. They said the 50 yes, 54 no, 65 yes, and unsure of 58? I just figure I'll wait and see what is in the box when it comes.

what coupon rewardszone usps moving or something else in addition?
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