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post #211 of 10650
I was considering this or the 50g20 so I went to BB today to see for myself. The 3D coming off this is indeed impressive. The Grand Canyon scene in particular was a total WOW factor. I actually thought that the 3D was better than I thought. Second, the plasma itself on 2D material was very nice.

That being said, it's hard to justify a $1200 price premium PLUS having to get the BluRay 3D player as well. Your looking at a steep price to be the ultimate early adopter IMO. I am not criticizing others, I am just saying that premium is too great IMO.
post #212 of 10650
Not sure if this 'd work, but if you link a ps3 and put it on the 3d mode, apart from the image being quite disturbing, would it give a usable reading on the inputlag, or is this just a fairytale I thought up?

Have to decide on this set or a lx5090. I suck at choices, yet if the 3d input lag is rubbish, than there's no use buying one yet for me
post #213 of 10650
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Originally Posted by ChicagoChris View Post

I was considering this or the 50g20 so I went to BB today to see for myself. The 3D coming off this is indeed impressive. The Grand Canyon scene in particular was a total WOW factor. I actually thought that the 3D was better than I thought. Second, the plasma itself on 2D material was very nice.

That being said, it's hard to justify a $1200 price premium PLUS having to get the BluRay 3D player as well. Your looking at a steep price to be the ultimate early adopter IMO. I am not criticizing others, I am just saying that premium is too great IMO.

whats the cost of the whole package at BB? $2900?
post #214 of 10650
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Originally Posted by Spoffo View Post

c) There's a third difference that I can't remember, at about the same level of significance.

I think that would be that the VT25 has network camera connectivity while the VT20 does not.
post #215 of 10650
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Originally Posted by MaXPL View Post

whats the cost of the whole package at BB? $2900?

That's about right. Plus add Sales Tax and your over 3k.

BTW, there was no package price for the Panny. The new Samsung had a package price if you want to purchase their offering. They were throwing in an 3D starter kit and 'geek squad' delivery and set up.
post #216 of 10650
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Originally Posted by happy nightmares View Post

It's plastic (or some synthetic material) but it's not the cheaper stuff. It has a high quality look. The fit & finish on the TV is excellent.

And it's made in Japan.

This is a big selling point for me so I need to reassure myself if I decide to buy the VT. You say it's made in japan... Does it say it on the back of the set and also on the remote. (it's been a long time since I've seen a good ole panny from Japan.

Thanks for your help Happy
post #217 of 10650
Hey guys, here's a question. I looked at the TV today, and it was fantastic. I decided to come here for some advice, since I have always gotten fantastic information from here in the past. I have owned my DLP for the past 5 years now, and it's getting kind of long in the tooth. I want a 3D plasma, since it seems to be the fastest on response time. I saw the 50 inch today, and thought it was nice, but since I have a little bit of a bigger DLP TV, I would want to get something closer, which is a bit bigger. Do you guys see the possible 54 or 58 inch versions being a whole lot more? Also is it possible they might be released before summer?

Thanks for the answer to whomever answers it.

Mr. B
post #218 of 10650
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Originally Posted by Panaman88 View Post

This is a big selling point for me so I need to reassure myself if I decide to buy the VT. You say it's made in japan... Does it say it on the back of the set and also on the remote. (it's been a long time since I've seen a good ole panny from Japan.

Thanks for your help Happy

Yes sir, indeed the sticker (date, serial number, etc.) on the back panel of the TV says "Made In Japan". The box and packing materials also say it.

I have not noticed the remote. Let me go look....
post #219 of 10650
Well, I cannot find any markings on the remote control to indicate where's it made, so I can't say it's Japan or not.

But the television itself definitely is made in Japan. For sure.
post #220 of 10650
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Originally Posted by MaXPL View Post

whats the cost of the whole package at BB? $2900?

Well you're looking at the tv for around 2,500 + the bd player that has dual hdmi out for 400 and all of this to my knowledge only includes one pair of glasses. If you want to thow in another pair of glasses for the wife or whoever then the cost is over 3k before tax. Not terrible, but there should be some sort of package deal.
post #221 of 10650
heres the link:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/p...-to-a-country/

i cant believe that bluray player is 400.
post #222 of 10650
I just witnessed what I believe is the first case of "floating blacks" on my VT20, and it was significant. It occurred during the closing credits of the movie "Training Day" from 2001 with Denzel Washington, Ethan Hawke and Scott Glenn.

The movie ends, goes to a black screen and the credits begin. It's not a rolling line of continuos credits, but one credit at a time (red text) that appears and disappears with a black screen in between each person's name.

Here's what happened...

Screen starts out dark black to begin with, then suddenly becomes a much lighter gray a split second before the first credit appears. It remains lighter gray while the credit is displayed, and for a second after it goes away, but then turns dark black again. It stays dark black for a second or two then becomes lighter gray right before the next credit appears, and for a second after it's gone, and then goes dark black again.

This pattern continued back and forth, for each credit, almost like a switch was being turned on and off with the black levels. It was very weird.

I've never encountered this before with any TV, but it reminded me of what I've heard some DLP and Projector owners describe as black "pumping" from a mechanical iris. Of course Plasma does not have an iris, so I'm assuming this must be the "floating blacks" I've heard people mention?
post #223 of 10650
By the way, I was using THX mode, all default settings except Video NR turned off.
post #224 of 10650
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Originally Posted by happy nightmares View Post


I've never encountered this before with any TV, but it reminded me of what I've heard some DLP and Projector owners describe as black "pumping" from a mechanical iris. Of course Plasma does not have an iris, so I'm assuming this must be the "floating blacks" I've heard people mention?

Are you definitely sure there is not that "gray" color in these slides ? Try same movie on different tv.
post #225 of 10650
Yeah, I was going to suggest same thing. Please check out the same content on a different TV to rule out source if possible.
post #226 of 10650
oh wow i just realized the VT25 will be cheaper based on a Bestbuy to Cleveland Plasma price comparions. $250 cheaper. 50 incher that is.
post #227 of 10650
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Originally Posted by happy nightmares View Post

I just witnessed what I believe is the first case of "floating blacks" on my VT20, and it was significant. It occurred during the closing credits of the movie "Training Day" from 2001 with Denzel Washington, Ethan Hawke and Scott Glenn.

The movie ends, goes to a black screen and the credits begin. It's not a rolling line of continuos credits, but one credit at a time (red text) that appears and disappears with a black screen in between each person's name.

Here's what happened...

Screen starts out dark black to begin with, then suddenly becomes a much lighter gray a split second before the first credit appears. It remains lighter gray while the credit is displayed, and for a second after it goes away, but then turns dark black again. It stays dark black for a second or two then becomes lighter gray right before the next credit appears, and for a second after it's gone, and then goes dark black again.

This pattern continued back and forth, for each credit, almost like a switch was being turned on and off with the black levels. It was very weird.

I've never encountered this before with any TV, but it reminded me of what I've heard some DLP and Projector owners describe as black "pumping" from a mechanical iris. Of course Plasma does not have an iris, so I'm assuming this must be the "floating blacks" I've heard people mention?

Hey Happy, you wouldn't have been having a few at the time, were you?LOL

I am against those that drink and then write TV reviews The bastard that I am.
post #228 of 10650
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Originally Posted by ChicagoChris View Post

That's about right. Plus add Sales Tax and your over 3k.

BTW, there was no package price for the Panny. The new Samsung had a package price if you want to purchase their offering. They were throwing in an 3D starter kit and 'geek squad' delivery and set up.

The Delivery, setup, and removal of old tv and garbage is free for all TVs over $999. The BB crooks in Manhattan charged me for the "geek squad" delivery and I later found out it was free and went back and got my money refunded. Too bad I can't tell the 3 or 4 couples ahead of me who were charged a delivery fee the day I bought my tv.

You can also use 12% coupons. I found one with a Google search.
post #229 of 10650
problem is if TV is made in Japan, then you 'll have to pay duty.

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Originally Posted by walt73 View Post

I can't believe it. Panasonic is gouging us AGAIN. The Cdn dollar is virtually at par with the US dollar at the time the sets are released and yet:

Canadian msrp for 50G20: $1999 (US msrp: $1499) -- 33% markup
54G20: $2499 (US: $1999) -- 25% markup

Outrageous. Only Panny is doing this. LG and Samsung aren't.
post #230 of 10650
nightmare, have you tried putting the 3d mode on to check the input lag? Really eager to know this since it'll make the choice between this set and the 5090 kuro a lot easier...
post #231 of 10650
Nightmare

We NEED more pictures now that your set has been broken in!!! Would love to see some great bluray pics!!
post #232 of 10650
How is daytime viewing look with it? Do you have to change modes or settings for daytime viewing?
post #233 of 10650
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Originally Posted by MaXPL View Post

oh wow i just realized the VT25 will be cheaper based on a Bestbuy to Cleveland Plasma price comparions. $250 cheaper. 50 incher that is.

It looks like Best Buy got the exclusive scoop on the VT20 so they can charge full list price for it since there its not available from their competition, and the VT25 isn't released yet. Once the VT25 becomes available from online vendors and other B&Ms they will be selling for lower prices. BB will probably then lower the price of the VT20, and start to tell people that it's way better than that junky VT25 that is only sold online
post #234 of 10650
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Originally Posted by happy nightmares View Post

I just witnessed what I believe is the first case of "floating blacks" on my VT20, and it was significant. It occurred during the closing credits of the movie "Training Day" from 2001 with Denzel Washington, Ethan Hawke and Scott Glenn.

The movie ends, goes to a black screen and the credits begin. It's not a rolling line of continuos credits, but one credit at a time (red text) that appears and disappears with a black screen in between each person's name.

Here's what happened...

Screen starts out dark black to begin with, then suddenly becomes a much lighter gray a split second before the first credit appears. It remains lighter gray while the credit is displayed, and for a second after it goes away, but then turns dark black again. It stays dark black for a second or two then becomes lighter gray right before the next credit appears, and for a second after it's gone, and then goes dark black again.

This pattern continued back and forth, for each credit, almost like a switch was being turned on and off with the black levels. It was very weird.

I've never encountered this before with any TV, but it reminded me of what I've heard some DLP and Projector owners describe as black "pumping" from a mechanical iris. Of course Plasma does not have an iris, so I'm assuming this must be the "floating blacks" I've heard people mention?

I'm not a VT owner, I own a G20 myself but I was watching that very same movie on mine and noticed the very same effect.

In fact more noticeable on the 300 Blu Ray in an early scene where Leonidas is about to scale the mountain to consult the Ephor's. There is some fog that pans across the screen and it will cause the letterbox bars to shift to a much lighter grey when the fog is present.

I notice on THX with standard settings and on Custom also. FYI, I use a DMP-BD85 for Blu Ray.

I'm going to exchange my G20 for another to see if it is common among all or better on some than others.
post #235 of 10650
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Originally Posted by jimmyjames1700 View Post

I'm not a VT owner, I own a G20 myself but I was watching that very same movie on mine and noticed the very same effect.

In fact more noticeable on the 300 Blu Ray in an early scene where Leonidas is about to scale the mountain to consult the Ephor's. There is some fog that pans across the screen and it will cause the letterbox bars to shift to a much lighter grey when the fog is present.

I notice on THX with standard settings and on Custom also. FYI, I use a DMP-BD85 for Blu Ray.

I'm going to exchange my G20 for another to see if it is common among all or better on some than others.

i do not own either of these tv's i have a tc-p42s1 purchased in april of 09and have flicker/pulsing on bright backgrounds mostly white and never noticed this until around the Olympics and it drives me crazy. don't expect panasonic to do anything for you on your issue. they will tell you just like they did me that it's a normal function of the tv. even the tech could see it and said panasonic was looking into it and now it's a normal function and won't do anything about it. i liked my panasonic even after the black level rise but now this flicker pulsating background is to much. just saying
post #236 of 10650
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Originally Posted by thebigdaddye View Post

i do not own either of these tv's i have a tc-p42s1 purchased in april of 09and have flicker/pulsing on bright backgrounds mostly white and never noticed this until around the Olympics and it drives me crazy. don't expect panasonic to do anything for you on your issue. they will tell you just like they did me that it's a normal function of the tv. even the tech could see it and said panasonic was looking into it and now it's a normal function and won't do anything about it. i liked my panasonic even after the black level rise but now this flicker pulsating background is to much. just saying

This is a different issue. I belive this is an automatice ABL feature or something like that that limits the brightness on white images or scenes. To me this was one of the issues I had on a 50V10 when I had it and it was reported by other users on that model. I belive one way to minimie this is to turn the contrast down , so the white images aren't so bright causing this "feature" to kick in which causes that fluctuation or flicker.

I wonder if this is present on the 2010 models?
post #237 of 10650
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Originally Posted by ecgz88 View Post

problem is if TV is made in Japan, then you 'll have to pay duty.

That is very suprising that they are made in Japan, as they have made all there units in Mexico for the last few years. I wonder if that was only temperary for them to be made in Japan, as the Mexician plant was not ready yet for production.
post #238 of 10650
hopefully you are correct

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

That is very suprising that they are made in Japan, as they have made all there units in Mexico for the last few years. I wonder if that was only temperary for them to be made in Japan, as the Mexician plant was not ready yet for production.
post #239 of 10650
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Originally Posted by alipor View Post

The 25 adds an RS232 port and ISFccc calibration. I hope the 25's will be out soon, I'm ready now lol.

Well based on comments from a certain owner, it seems there may be some floating black issues with the VTs. I noticed D-Nice said he was able to eliminate the floating blacks on the G20 with brightness settings, but then again he is an expert calibrator, and I wonder if this required combined settings. Also, maybe the ISFccc controls on the VT25 will make it easier to eliminate this issue? Panny seems to have this one issue, along with rising blacks.
post #240 of 10650
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Originally Posted by ecgz88 View Post

problem is if TV is made in Japan, then you 'll have to pay duty.

Weird comment..........walt73 was saying that Panasonic Canada rips their customers off with the outrageous markups vs the US price....and this is true.

He was not talking about importing a tv from the US.
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