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post #241 of 10650
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Originally Posted by guvadc View Post

This is a different issue. I belive this is an automatice ABL feature or something like that that limits the brightness on white images or scenes. To me this was one of the issues I had on a 50V10 when I had it and it was reported by other users on that model. I belive one way to minimie this is to turn the contrast down , so the white images aren't so bright causing this "feature" to kick in which causes that fluctuation or flicker.

I wonder if this is present on the 2010 models?

you are correct that is what the tech told me when he came to see the problem he stated i believe it's the about dimming feature and that panasonic has had many reports and were looking into a firmware fix. the tech said wait a few weeks and then call panasonic back and see what they say or if they have a fix. i called today and they stated this is normal and there is nothing to fix and i was like WTF then why did the tech tell me it's a problem and i can see it change from dark white to normal right in front of my eyes. like i stated i think this is the last panasonic i buy. it's total bs that they say it's normal now
post #242 of 10650
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Originally Posted by thebigdaddye View Post

you are correct that is what the tech told me when he came to see the problem he stated i believe it's the about dimming feature and that panasonic has had many reports and were looking into a firmware fix. the tech said wait a few weeks and then call panasonic back and see what they say or if they have a fix. i called today and they stated this is normal and there is nothing to fix and i was like WTF then why did the tech tell me it's a problem and i can see it change from dark white to normal right in front of my eyes. like i stated i think this is the last panasonic i buy. it's total bs that they say it's normal now

Every issue is normal for Panasonic. They won't get off their ass and do something about it.
post #243 of 10650
^^^ Should have got the techs name and number so you could have called him back. Who knows who you talked too.
post #244 of 10650
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

^^^ Should have got the techs name and number so you could have called him back. Who knows who you talked too.

i have his name and number. i was told by him to call panasonic in a couple of weeks as he stated when he came to my house they would probably have a firmware fix for this auto dimming problem. he could see the problem himself . i called panasonic and they stated this is functioning normal i was like your kidding. it's like they are trying to destroy plasma tech or at least their own which makes me mad as well because plasma is the closest you can come to crt tech right now. i would say i'm pretty much done with panasonic with all this crap that has went on. i guess no matter what problem you have on these they will just state it's normal wow
post #245 of 10650
I wonder what Panasonic will do if there are enough people complaining about the floating blacks. This si by no means acceptable. floating black and rising blacks over time? I really do hope there is a FW fix in the pipes. I also hope they notice this is a real problem. Dang, i really wanted another TV too, but I might have to wait it out...
post #246 of 10650
I finally spoke with a knowledgeable tech at Panasonic today about the floating black issue. He said it IS in fact an underlying energy star POWER issue on certain models in the 2010 series: S2, U2, C2, I believe were their names. However, he said the G20 and VT20 should NOT be affected by this issue. I don't know enough about "seeding" and "electron photon disruption" and all the other things recently discussed on this thread to talk more about the issue. I just told him I thought it might have to do with needing more power to switch between light scenes and the darker blacks. He says it has been an issue in the past and it was a power issue then too.

He is taking my complaint to engineering to see if anything can be done (firmware update, etc). What disturbed me is that he said right now I am the ONLY one who has called Panasonic about this issue with a G20 set. He seems to think this never happens with a G20. I straight up don't believe that. Dozens of people are whining about this on here. Call Panasonic!!
post #247 of 10650
Pictures people!!! We need pictures of your new beautiful sets with bluray movies, please and thanks!!
post #248 of 10650
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Originally Posted by jeffwine03 View Post

However, he said the G20 and VT20 should NOT be affected by this issue.

And he would be wrong
post #249 of 10650
After watching The Panasonic today, I did some thinking. This is one time, thin may be in.

When watching a Panasonic VT20 I noticed the bezel blocks the 3D. Has anyone else noticed this? The LG 55LX9500 uses a clear 1/4 Bezel, I think it will blow the 3D up even more as there is no border , everything will look like it is floating on a wall ! <<< Click Here >>> . If you have seen a Panasonic TC-P50Vt20 or a Samsung UNxx7000 I think you would agree?
post #250 of 10650
According to my Magnolia "Notes" (we get these every week...I work for Magnolia) The V25 50 and 54" will arrive the week before May 14th, and officially are for sale on the 14th. The 58" will be available the first week of June, and the 65" the last week of June. The 50" VT25 will be $2,599.99, $100 more than the VT20 model. We were also told that employees are not allowed discounts on the 3D TV's. So much for me buying one.
post #251 of 10650
For the people who have the TX-P50VT25:
how about the sound ?

In comparaison to the V10 from last year the sound should be an upgrade because they went from 2x10W to 3x10W, probably added a smal subwoofer.

So how about the sound quality of the VT25, is it any good ?
I mean for simple stuff like watching the news,... because i understand off course that for watching a movie you are still far better off with a home cinema system.
post #252 of 10650
VT25 are not out yet, only the VT20 is out at BB.
post #253 of 10650
D-nice

Have you gotten ahold of a VT20 yet for a review or when can we expect it?

Thanks
post #254 of 10650
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

VT25 are not out yet, only the VT20 is out at BB.

Any word when they might be released? I just don't get why they released a few VT20's to BB and not a few VT25's to specialty shops such as yourself.
post #255 of 10650
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Originally Posted by alipor View Post

Any word when they might be released? I just don't get why they released a few VT20's to BB and not a few VT25's to specialty shops such as yourself.

Actually, the longer we wait, the better the chance Panasonic may make some changes to the firmware-------that's a big "maybe".
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post #257 of 10650
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Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post

Actually, the longer we wait, the better the chance Panasonic may make some changes to the firmware-------that's a big "maybe".

True, I just want my new TV now lol..
post #258 of 10650
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Originally Posted by alipor View Post

Any word when they might be released? I just don't get why they released a few VT20's to BB and not a few VT25's to specialty shops such as yourself.

The way it looks now, if BB gets the TC-P50VT25 there is no question Panasonic did a quick production run to get these in the BB stores to compete with Samsung 3D LED's that are out in full swing and that is why the TC-50VT20 are mmade in Japan now. If the future VT25 are made in Mexico in the future, I will have been correct We will see.
post #259 of 10650
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Originally Posted by ecgz88 View Post

VT20 vs C7000

http://gizmodo.com/5501900/the-best-...yline=true&s=i

That's LCD vs Plasma, I want to see Plasma vs Plasma.....I guess we'll have to wait.
post #260 of 10650
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

The way it looks now, if BB gets the TC-P50VT25 there is no question Panasonic did a quick production run to get these in the BB stores to compete with Samsung 3D LED's that are out in full swing and that is why the TC-50VT20 are mmade in Japan now. If the future VT25 are made in Mexico in the future, I will have been correct We will see.

Chris, do you think the the big sets 58/65 would be made in Mexico as well?
post #261 of 10650
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Originally Posted by alipor View Post

True, I just want my new TV now lol..

Hey, I've been without (a big screen) since Christmas. Looks like I have to wait at least until June for the 58"---Hope no longer.
post #262 of 10650
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Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post

Chris, do you think the the big sets 58/65 would be made in Mexico as well?

Probably.
post #263 of 10650
Is the VT20/25 the best set of 2010? If these sets are having floating blacks as well, do I have any other option in the market over the next few months that can compete on colors and deep blacks? What other plasma is there that comes close? Samsung, LG?
post #264 of 10650
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jeffwine03 View Post

Is the VT20/25 the best set of 2010? If these sets are having floating blacks as well, do I have any other option in the market over the next few months that can compete on colors and deep blacks? What other plasma is there that comes close? Samsung, LG?

The LG got a good review and was compared to Panny (don't have the link handy). Sammy doesn't have them available yet, so we'll have to see on those. Hopefully the floating black issue will be fixed via a firmware update. Rising blacks can't be, though.
post #265 of 10650
I question the practicality of any 3D television. how useful will 3D become in real day to day usage. We have a family of five and most of the 2010 3D sets come with one pair of glasses so add anywhere from 400.00 dollars to 600.00 for 3D glasses. Next consider wearing 3D glasses for an extended period of time. I imagine the phase out of phase effect used to produce a 3D image will produce eye strain over time. Finally, every thing no tied to the television is eventually damaged or lost resulting in possible multiple purchases for 3D glasses. I am carefully following this thread, but at this point I am confident I am buying the best television I can find for my price range, if it happens the set has 3D, great. If not, will you really miss it??
post #266 of 10650
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Originally Posted by quitplayn View Post

I question the practicality of any 3D television. how useful will 3D become in real day to day usage. We have a family of five and most of the 2010 3D sets come with one pair of glasses so add anywhere from 400.00 dollars to 600.00 for 3D glasses. Next consider wearing 3D glasses for an extended period of time. I imagine the phase out of phase effect used to produce a 3D image will produce eye strain over time. Finally, every thing no tied to the television is eventually damaged or lost resulting in possible multiple purchases for 3D glasses. I am carefully following this thread, but at this point I am confident I am buying the best television I can find for my price range, if it happens the set has 3D, great. If not, will you really miss it??

i agree with you some plus i'm not impressed with the new 3D at least not the samsung my wife and i saw tonight at BB. they had monsters vs aliens 3D playing and i had my wife set down and we watched it for a bit. she asked me after about 30 seconds whats the big deal and i said it's the new 3D and she said oh ok. its a step up from the colored glasses but i agree with the person who posted they think the screen size needs to be pretty big in order to enjoy it like maybe 70+ inch screen or projector. i just don't see people forking over $2400+ for a 50 inch tv just for the 3d plus the cost of more 3D glasses. all the 3D movies i have ever watched were much better in the theater then at home mostly because of the screen size . i personally rather see 1080p broadcast then 3D movies/sporting events just my 2 cents
post #267 of 10650
I dont think its a fair question. 3D is 3D. Screen size is screen size. 1080p on a 12 inches would not make a lot of impression either.

Without 3D, i already want my TV to be 100+ inches.
post #268 of 10650
Hey guys. Sorry I haven't been posting the past couple days. I have family in town visiting and a lot of things going on.

Just a quick update to my VT20 experience... Overall picture quality continues to impress me , but there are 2 issues worth reporting, with one being a possible deal breaker for me.

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Floating Blacks
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Just to confirm the behavior is not present when viewing the same movie on any other TV in my house, so it's definitely a VT20 issue. I see that another 2010 owner (G20) has said he noticed the same thing on the same movie. Furthermore, I've seen a couple more examples of this floating-black behavior, including once in a video game (Aliens VS Predator). It's a very dark game and the lighting changes back and forth a lot. Just like the credits in that movie, the VT20 is... pumping the screen up and down with brightness/darkness. That sounds weird, I know, but I'm not sure how else to describe it.

The good news: it does not happen very often. The bad news: when it does it's very obvious and distracting.

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Flicker
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I'm not sure what else to call it besides "flicker"... Flashing? Strobing?... anyway, I will attempt to describe it more clearly.

-- If the scene is mostly filled with dark colored objects, but has a 'light' blue sky or 'white' clouds... the flicker appears to come from the sky/clouds.

-- If the scene is a dark room with a single bright lamp... the flicker appears to come from the lamp.

-- If part of the screen has big white box, the flicker appears to come from the box.

The point being... it always seems to come from the bright, or light colored parts of the screen.

And a 'solid' white screen, or solid 'light' color screen is the most obvious.

And sometimes, for whatever reason, focusing left or right of the screen makes the effect more intense.

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My roommate initially said he did not see any flicker, but after watching the TV for a bit longer he notices some flicker, but is not bothered by it unless the screen is solid white. He admits it's not normal and described it as a... "fast strobe-light you can barely see".

After having a group of people view the TV today, it seems that everyone notices the flicker if they watch for a while, always in the 'white' or light colored parts of the screen, or especially during pure solid white screens like some commercial backgrounds etc.

The extent it bothers people ranges from extreme to barely noticeable.

For me, it's pretty bad. It bothers me a lot, and it's giving me headaches and eye strain. I keep waking up thinking today will be the day it goes away, but it's not. This appears to be a deal breaker for me, but I'm left wondering the obvious question here...

Is there something defective with this particular VT20 unit?

Or has some design change made this flicker a new problem?

Keep in mind I've owned 3 other Panasonic plasma models in the past, and never bothered by any flicker.

What do you guys think is goiong on?
post #269 of 10650
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Originally Posted by happy nightmares View Post

Hey guys. Sorry I haven't been posting the past couple days. I have family in town visiting and a lot of things going on.

Just a quick update to my VT20 experience... Overall picture quality continues to impress me , but there are 2 issues worth reporting, with one being a possible deal breaker for me.

I can't help here, but wanted to say thanks for your diligence with the VT20. I was sure to sell my 65V10 in June and get a 65VT25 despite the rising black level reports, and even the possibility of floating black levels because I am assuming the latter is fixable via firmware update. Your report of flicker however has me wondering more about the new panels and 3D... I've not been shy about it prior to this. Now however I am taking a step back and thinking I need to wait for more information regarding the flicker you're experiencing.
post #270 of 10650
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Originally Posted by nicholc2 View Post

The LG got a good review and was compared to Panny (don't have the link handy). Sammy doesn't have them available yet, so we'll have to see on those. Hopefully the floating black issue will be fixed via a firmware update. Rising blacks can't be, though.

I don't know which LG review you read. The one I read was not very complimentary of the set. There were 3 issues that concerned me brought up by the reviewer:

1. The LG set has not improved the glare issue enough. Evidently the glass catches a lot more light than the Panasonic.

2. The LG ALSO has the floating black issues.

3. The little wii remote does not come with the plasma version, only their new LED.
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