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How quickly does IR go away on this TV? I was at BB yesterday looking at the VT20. At first, I saw the IR of a large 3D logo in the bottom right corner. Then, I noticed some lines in the middle of the screen, and eventually I could read, "Astro Boy". Now, it being BB, I'm sure someone put a disk in and it probably sat there on the menu screen for hours. Personally, if I'm gaming and there is some that lasts for a little while, no big deal....I just want it to eventually go away.
post #3122 of 10643
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

macroblocking is cause by content, NOT THE TV. View from a different source Easy fix !

I'm not even sure that "macroblocking" is the right word to discribe what I saw . It was more like a momentary drop in resolution... as if I was watching a low res video on the net for a few sec. The VT25 didn't loose the image content like we can see with a dirty DVD for exemple.

But other than that the VT25 was awesome! I really liked the blacks and color saturation. The blacks of my current RPTV are nowhere near those of the VT25 in a low light environnment. On my set, blacks look good for daytime viewing but then the TV is not bright enough...

Last night, my wife had a dream in which she was buying the 65 fo me... so I guess WAF won't be an issue!
post #3123 of 10643
Tiggr and Doug B - thanks for the suggestions on the height of the TV. I also forgot to mention, I need to take into account space within the cabinet for cable box, video game console, power conditioner/surge unit, DVD player, A/V Receiver, etc. I am in the process of moving, so I am buying a new couch, the VT 25 and a new entertainment unit. Guess I got some measuring to do - thanks for the help!
post #3124 of 10643
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Originally Posted by monstosity12 View Post

Well it seems the problem I was experiencing was not from my Denon 3800 player (as I had thought initially). I have a regular service tech (not panasonic tech) coming over tommorow.

But I was hoping someone could help me confirm if this is my tv problem, or something else.

When playing James Bond: Casino Royale (into the movie 21:25), Q comes out of a room which has red carpet, and above her there is a room sign that says Committe Room.

Can someone play this and tell me if the words "commitee Room" jitter and incur double images/smears when these words pan? Not to mention even when Q walks down this room, or in the movie in general, Q's face never stays in focus barely , even with here just moving her head from side to side from walking.

I am outputting 1080p/24 via HDMI and have VT25 set to 96 Hz. I have tried component as well, but same thing. I just dont want the service tech to say this is normal, when it is not. So can someone please see if this happens to your VT25? Every movie does it on pans, its just one example.

EDIT: I would post photos of what im seeing, but I dont want to give a false impression of the pic quality of the VT25; Beside my issues of this blurring double image thing, images are so fantastic.


I see it too with blu rays and a lot of other people here in the UK are seeing it whilst watching the football - I have an awful feeling this tv does not handle motion particularly well.
post #3125 of 10643
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Originally Posted by midknight4 View Post

I see it too with blu rays and a lot of other people here in the UK are seeing it whilst watching the football - I have an awful feeling this tv does not handle motion particularly well.

Hmm! Can't speak for the 2D but sure didn't see indication of that problem on watching the world cup games on my P58VT25 in 3D. Could you maybe provide us a link to that 'lot of other people in the UK seeing this whilst watching the football' (on a Panasonic VT20/25) so that we on this forum might better decipher what it was they had to say.
post #3126 of 10643
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Originally Posted by KenJr View Post

Hmm! Can't speak for the 2D but sure didn't see indication of that problem on watching the world cup games on my P58VT25 in 3D. Could you maybe provide us a link to that 'lot of other people in the UK seeing this whilst watching the football' (on a Panasonic VT20/25) so that we on this forum might better decipher what it was they had to say.

It is on the UK Av Forum
post #3127 of 10643
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Originally Posted by KenJr View Post

Hmm! Can't speak for the 2D but sure didn't see indication of that problem on watching the world cup games on my P58VT25 in 3D. Could you maybe provide us a link to that 'lot of other people in the UK seeing this whilst watching the football' (on a Panasonic VT20/25) so that we on this forum might better decipher what it was they had to say.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasm...-pan-shot.html
post #3128 of 10643
has anyone used the the calibration disk we have for download at AVSforum or any calibration disk like dve or avia?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496

If so, what did you get for your THX settings afterward?
post #3129 of 10643
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Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post

Great post! This is why I can never fiqure out the reasoning for folks mounting their display above the fireplace. Unless you happen to watch TV while standing up!

I don't get the high-mounting mania either... not many people like sitting in the first 5 rows in a movie theater, so not sure why they'd want the TV way up there... especially an LCD on a non-tiltable mount... the viewing angle alone would insure you never see good blacks nor very bright whites.
post #3130 of 10643
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Originally Posted by dhan View Post

Hi,

I was finally able to see a 58" VT25 under (semi) controlled lighting conditions (not pitch black) and I have to say that the blacks on this TV really impressed me. The VT25 was installed just next to a Pioneer 151FD and, from what I saw, blacks were almost as deep as they were on the Kuro.

One thing bothered me though. All the sets were on the same feed (cable I think) and a show with pretty high contrasts was broadcasted. When the camera was moving/zooming fast in scenes with bright lights on a dark background I was clearly seeing blocks forming in lighter portions of the 58VT25 screen image. Also, stair stepped (aliasing?) diagonal edges were becoming really apparent in some parts of the screen but not on those other sets sitting next to it. It looked like some portions of the screen dropped into low res for a few seconds and just to come back to normal after the action had passed. I remember seeing the a similar issue with camera movements on a Samsung 530 LCD set in a store last year.

Any of you guys ever experienced such a thing with the VT25? I was wondering about what could be causing this issue?

I'm really thinking about buying the 65VT25 but if I see that low resolution macroblocking each time the camera moves fast in high contrast scenes I know it will drive crazy!!

It's not the TV, it's the source. Cable and Satellite services compress the holy heck out of all video signals. Cable does it because their 1 wire into your house and their wire or fiber trunk to their sub-stations can only carry so much data at the same time... they have to run all those channels, on-demand, PPV, telephone service, internet service, etc. on those wires and fibers... something has to give and one of the things that "gives" is the bandwidth allocated to the TV channels. When there's a lot of motion, each frame is different than the next so there's little opportunity for compression by conventional (usually non-destructive) means. So the compression scheme makes the offending frames (pans, explosions, etc.) into big mosaic's of large blocks to minimize the peak in data that those sorts of scenes would need to avoid the block artifacts.

Satellite services use a lot of compression because satellites are expensive to develop and launch and maintain - and because each satellite has a specific bandwidth limit. Their choices (like cable) is to provide a more limited number of channels with full 1080p quality all the time or more channels with something considerably less than 1080p quality all the time... both cable and satellite use more channels as a competitive talking point so we get highly compressed action sequences and pans with a ton of block artifacts.

Blu-ray video is also compressed, but not enough that you should ever see block artifacts from a Blu-ray movie.

In fact, cable and satellite services almost never deliver 1080px1920... so much so that the term "HD Lite" has popped up as a description for what cable and satellite deliver compared to "full" HDTV. Your local broadcast channels may also be delivering "HD Lite" if they have more than 1 digital channel. Each additional channel they deliver robs bandwidth from their primary channel. That means they have to compress the primary programming to get enough bandwidth for their second channel. And if they run a 3rd channel, they have to apply even more compression to the primary channel's programming. We have channels here with 2 and 3 "sub channels" and I'm sure we're not alone. In fact, broadcast channel here has sub-channels so we have no access to full HD network programming over the air and the cable and satellite services compress everything so you won't get full HD from them either. Everything we get is HD Lite except Blu-ray.
post #3131 of 10643
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

In fact, cable and satellite services almost never deliver 1080px1920... so much so that the term "HD Lite" has popped up as a description for what cable and satellite deliver compared to "full" HDTV. Your local broadcast channels may also be delivering "HD Lite" if they have more than 1 digital channel. Each additional channel they deliver robs bandwidth from their primary channel. That means they have to compress the primary programming to get enough bandwidth for their second channel. And if they run a 3rd channel, they have to apply even more compression to the primary channel's programming. We have channels here with 2 and 3 "sub channels" and I'm sure we're not alone. In fact, broadcast channel here has sub-channels so we have no access to full HD network programming over the air and the cable and satellite services compress everything so you won't get full HD from them either. Everything we get is HD Lite except Blu-ray.

Dish may never deliver 1920x1080...however, DirecTV has not been proven to down rez its HD...I wonder why so many are confused about HD...those who would seem to "know" spout falsehoods...
post #3132 of 10643
Hi Mr. Blackburn,

Thanks for the detailed answer! Very informative. What I wonder is why some other TV sets sitting next to the VT25 on the same feed didn't seem to suffer at all from those artefacts? Could this be related to some sort of more efficient noise reduction feature or something like that?

I'm going to see it again today, I'll try to watch some blu-ray material on it. That 65VT25 is growing on me!
post #3133 of 10643
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Originally Posted by dpjb View Post

I'm considering a 54VT25 but need to know something. Does my receiver need to be 3D ready to pass the 3d video signal through? I have a PS3 with only one HDMI output. I run the hdmi to the receiver and then the TV so I can get the better audio. I'll have to reconsider this whole thing if need to replace the receiver as well.

The TV doesn't have a hdmi pass through does it?

Your AVR must be 3D compatible (HDMI 1.4) in order of it to pass through 3D signal. There are more than a few 3D AVRs on the market now. I have a Denon AVR-3311CI which has been working well with 3D out the box. I still use Optical cables for audio though.
post #3134 of 10643
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Originally Posted by CCsoftball7 View Post

Dish may never deliver 1920x1080...however, DirecTV has not been proven to down rez its HD...I wonder why so many are confused about HD...those who would seem to "know" spout falsehoods...

Just switched to Direct TV and discovered a couple of things for HD setup (Got their latest controller).
1. The user can choose HD format from 480i to 1080i (no 1080P).
2. Caution: Setting the HDTV setup to, "Native" (automatic format switching) is a must. Both HD and ED look really bad when the format setting doesn't match the incoming signal. I was getting ready to send my new TV back (thought it was a Panasonic problem) 'til I discovered this.
post #3135 of 10643
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Originally Posted by dpjb View Post

I'm considering a 54VT25 but need to know something. Does my receiver need to be 3D ready to pass the 3d video signal through? I have a PS3 with only one HDMI output. I run the hdmi to the receiver and then the TV so I can get the better audio. I'll have to reconsider this whole thing if need to replace the receiver as well.

The TV doesn't have a hdmi pass through does it?

Well my setup has my PS3 hooked up directly to my AVR (Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH) and then running the out of the reciever to the TV and I'm able to play SSHD, MS Pacific Rift, Pain, and MLB the show demo all in 3D no problem.

I haven't tried my blu ray player though running through the reciever as it has dual hdmi out so I just hook it directly to the display and run the sub hdmi out of the blu ray to the reciever. I'm pretty sure the blu ray wouldn't work running through the reciever, but the PS3 works no problem for me.
post #3136 of 10643
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Originally Posted by dhan View Post

Hi Mr. Blackburn,

Thanks for the detailed answer! Very informative. What I wonder is why some other TV sets sitting next to the VT25 on the same feed didn't seem to suffer at all from those artefacts? Could this be related to some sort of more efficient noise reduction feature or something like that?

I'm going to see it again today, I'll try to watch some blu-ray material on it. That 65VT25 is growing on me!

Yeah, any time I walk into a store I get varying quality of feeds on the TV's. Once they had a S2 right next to a G25. The G25 feed had all types of macroblocking and compression compared to the S2, though I knew for a fact that the G25 was the better TV so I blamed it on the feed.
post #3137 of 10643
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Originally Posted by ezlotogura View Post

Hello,

I read the THX Website, and it mentions taking the size of your tv and dividing it by .84 to get the optimal distance for TV viewing. However, I saw no mention of height of TV placement.

I am looking at getting the 54'' or 58'' VT tv, but I need a stand (mounting bracket is not possible).

The tv consoles I am looking at range from 24'' - 31'' height.

Optimal viewing is about 5.5'', but I think due to logistics, I may be closer to 6'-7' from the TV.

Any suggestions on the height of the TV stand?


I am using the Bello PVS-4215 which sits about 20" off the floor. The gloss black glass of the stand looks fantastic with my 65" Panny. However, this model of Bello is probably too large for your TV. You might check and see if there is a smaller version of this model.
post #3138 of 10643
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Originally Posted by Elladan View Post

I see a few people here who have the BDT300 BluRay player connected to the VT25 via HDMI, and have the HDMI-Sub connected to an AVR. I've asked this on the BDT300 thread as well, but am not getting a lot of feedback. Whenever I set HDMI-Sub to V.Off (in the Connections menu), and Save the setting, next time I power the system on, that setting is set back to Normal. I'm running the latest firmware version.
Is anyone else experiencing this?

I have the BDT350 connected in the same manner. I am having the same problem. What's that saying about doing the same thing the same way and expecting a different result?

At the beginning of playing a 3D movie, the player will ask if you want the HDMI-Sub set to V.Off. For other activities, I have had to reset the V.Off manually each time I use the box. Fortunately, I have an OPPO blu ray player as well and use it for watching most discs. I use the BDT350 for 3D and Netflix.
post #3139 of 10643
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Originally Posted by KenJr View Post

Just switched to Direct TV and discovered a couple of things for HD setup (Got their latest controller).
1. The user can choose HD format from 480i to 1080i (no 1080P).
2. Caution: Setting the HDTV setup to, "Native" (automatic format switching) is a must. Both HD and ED look really bad when the format setting doesn't match the incoming signal. I was getting ready to send my new TV back (thought it was a Panasonic problem) 'til I discovered this.

I have the HR24 and it can be setup to output 1080p. It also supports 3D.
post #3140 of 10643
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

I have the HR24 and it can be setup to output 1080p. It also supports 3D.

You can only get a 1080p signal with D* boxes when viewing select Direct Cinema channels (PPV movie channels).
post #3141 of 10643
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

It's not the TV, it's the source. Cable and Satellite services compress the holy heck out of all video signals.

This is not entirely correct. Verizon FiOS and select TWC and Comcast do not compress their signal. D* does not compress their HD channels either. The real problem is the content providers. For instance, the HBO/Cinemax suites are transmitted via an 8Mb per channel mpg4 stream.
post #3142 of 10643
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

You can only get a 1080p signal with D* boxes when viewing select Direct Cinema channels (PPV movie channels).

D-Nice,

Can you be more specific?

What is a D* Box?

Thanks,

Paul
post #3143 of 10643
Does anybody have any idea when we will be able to purchase through panasonic direct? September?
post #3144 of 10643
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Originally Posted by UofA fan View Post

Does anybody have any idea when we will be able to purchase through panasonic direct? September?

I emailed their support about this and they told me to email another address. The email address they gave me is invalid so I replied asking for the correct one, but have yet to receive a reply.
post #3145 of 10643
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Originally Posted by Cougar69 View Post

I am using the Bello PVS-4215 which sits about 20" off the floor. The gloss black glass of the stand looks fantastic with my 65" Panny. However, this model of Bello is probably too large for your TV. You might check and see if there is a smaller version of this model.

According to the "Technical Details" on the Amazon site, the Bello PVS-4215
"Accommodates most flat-panel TVs up to 46"
I'm thinking of this now for my 65VT25.
You think it might be too large for a 54" or 58" VT?
Does your 65VT25 display hang over the sides of the shelves?
I'm trying to get a picture in my mind how it would look and if it is safe enough.

Thanks

Paul
post #3146 of 10643
D* = DirecTV
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

D-Nice,

Can you be more specific?

What is a D* Box?

Thanks,

Paul
post #3147 of 10643
Kind of a specific question, but here goes: Got my 54" VT25 about two weeks ago. Yesterday for the first time I hooked up my xbox 360 and played some Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 multiplayer. I hooked it directly into the TV using the xbox component cables (my xbox doesn't have hdmi output). As far as I can tell, the game didn't look any better on this tv than it did on my old 52" sony XBR4. There were "jaggies" all over the place!

Has anyone else noticed this? Are the jaggies caused by the component cables, the TV settings, or the quality of the game's graphics? Has anyone else noticed this issue with this particular game?

Also, I only played in 'Standard' mode, so I'm not sure whether that has any bearing on the situation.
post #3148 of 10643
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Originally Posted by sry110 View Post

Kind of a specific question, but here goes: Got my 54" VT25 about two weeks ago. Yesterday for the first time I hooked up my xbox 360 and played some Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 multiplayer. I hooked it directly into the TV using the xbox component cables (my xbox doesn't have hdmi output). As far as I can tell, the game didn't look any better on this tv than it did on my old 52" sony XBR4. There were "jaggies" all over the place!

Has anyone else noticed this? Are the jaggies caused by the component cables, the TV settings, or the quality of the game's graphics? Has anyone else noticed this issue with this particular game?

Also, I only played in 'Standard' mode, so I'm not sure whether that has any bearing on the situation.

I think you may be experiencing what im experiencing. But mines with movies with regards to pans of blurring/smear and double images. Had a service tech come over today. They were very kind. But they said this may be a "normal" operation. And probably wont be under warranty for a board replacement of some sort. They said panasonic will be notified and will see if they have a firmware update to fix this issue.
post #3149 of 10643
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Originally Posted by KenJr View Post

Just switched to Direct TV and discovered a couple of things for HD setup (Got their latest controller).
1. The user can choose HD format from 480i to 1080i (no 1080P).
2. Caution: Setting the HDTV setup to, "Native" (automatic format switching) is a must. Both HD and ED look really bad when the format setting doesn't match the incoming signal. I was getting ready to send my new TV back (thought it was a Panasonic problem) 'til I discovered this.

Looks like nothing has changed. I switched last year to Comcast after 12 yrs with Directv. There are +'s and -'s for both. Keep in the "Native" mode, also may have to fool with the DD setting. I think you will be pleased enough with "Ds" overall PQ. Their SD is loads better than Comcast. However, D's customer service sucks-----at least it did.
post #3150 of 10643
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Originally Posted by sry110 View Post

Kind of a specific question, but here goes: Got my 54" VT25 about two weeks ago. Yesterday for the first time I hooked up my xbox 360 and played some Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 multiplayer. I hooked it directly into the TV using the xbox component cables (my xbox doesn't have hdmi output). As far as I can tell, the game didn't look any better on this tv than it did on my old 52" sony XBR4. There were "jaggies" all over the place!

Has anyone else noticed this? Are the jaggies caused by the component cables, the TV settings, or the quality of the game's graphics? Has anyone else noticed this issue with this particular game?

Also, I only played in 'Standard' mode, so I'm not sure whether that has any bearing on the situation.



It is the game. You can't make it look better regardless what display you use.
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