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post #1 of 35
3/15/10 at 8:07am
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NVIDIA's 3DTV Play finally solves the HDMI 1.4 gap for 3D Vision

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SANTA CLARA, CaliforniaMarch 15, 2010NVIDIA today announced NVIDIA® 3DTV Play, its latest software solution that allows consumers to connect their GeForce® GPU-powered desktop or notebook computer to new 3D TVs, for the ultimate in big screen 3D gaming action. For the launch of 3DTV Play, NVIDIA is teaming up with Panasonic on its coast-to-coast 2010 Panasonic Touch the Future Tour, where consumers can test drive 3DTV Play-based PCs running on the new Panasonic® VIERA® Full HD 3D TVs, that just launched this month.

3DTV Play software lets you connect any compatible NVIDIA GeForce GPU-powered PC or notebook to 3D TVs for the ultimate, high-definition, big-screen, 3D entertainment experience. By leveraging the processing power of NVIDIA GeForce GPUs, 3DTV Play software delivers the best the PC has to offer: play hundreds of standard PC games in stunning 3D environments such as World of Warcraft - Wrath of the Lich King, Battlefield Bad Company 2, and James Cameron's Avatar: The Game. You can also watch upcoming Blu-ray 3D Hollywood blockbusters, view digital 3D photographs, and even watch streaming 3D movies for the ultimate viewing party. The active-shutter glasses bundled with each VIERA full HD 3D TV sold work seamlessly with NVIDIA GPUs and off-the-shelf PC gaming titles and other 3D entertainment content.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1268635315649.html
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post #2 of 35
3/22/10 at 10:03pm
Wow, this sounds neat Lee. Thank for posting the link!
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post #3 of 35
3/22/10 at 10:26pm
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Wow, this sounds neat Lee. Thank for posting the link!

All the 3D news that's fit to post! My pleasure. Glad you are looking forward to it.
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post #4 of 35
4/1/10 at 1:59am
OK, I see one can purchase a ASUS G51J3D 15 inch laptop equipped with NVIDA GeForce GTX 260 M GPU. If I just add NVIDA 3DTVPlay software am I going to be able to view in 3D the photos taken by the Fuji Finepix W1 3D Digital camera on the Panasonic 3D Plasma TVs currently being marketed? (The camera captures 3D still photos in MPO 3D File format [multiple picture format]) It also takes up to 15 minutes of video [which is in 3D_AV1 format) and I'm curious if that too can be seen in 3D on the 3D TV through this routing?
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post #5 of 35
4/1/10 at 10:22am
I dont think it will be able to output 3D to another display.
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post #6 of 35
4/1/10 at 10:41am
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I dont think it will be able to output 3D to another display.

I thought that was the whole purpose of adding the 3DTVPlay software. Is there something about this particular configuration that is limiting, i.e. absence of an HDMI port or other connectivity output on the laptop itself?
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post #7 of 35
4/1/10 at 10:56am
AFAIK the sole objective of this verson is to be able to use a 3D Full HD BR player program such as PowerDVD 10 ultra and send the contents using the 2 frame packed buffer format to a 3D HDTV's HDMI 1.4 receiver chip. In other words this verson acts like a 3D BR player.
The standard version of Nvidia 3D is to be used for all other purposes just as it is used today.
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post #8 of 35
4/1/10 at 11:48am
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I dont think it will be able to output 3D to another display.

I would think the exact oppsite since in the press release paragraph 2 states "veiw digital photographs."
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post #9 of 35
4/1/10 at 1:27pm
I was replying to the laptop question, not about the software.
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post #10 of 35
4/1/10 at 1:49pm
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I was replying to the laptop question, not about the software.

I kind of think that is the whole point.

3DTV Play-based PCs running on the new Panasonic® VIERA® Full HD 3D TVs

How can it run on the TV without sending the info to it?
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post #11 of 35
4/1/10 at 2:10pm
Well the laptop will play the 3D content as its 3D ready but who knows if it will be able to output to a second display 3D as well.
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post #12 of 35
4/7/10 at 5:59pm
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OK, I see one can purchase a ASUS G51J3D 15 inch laptop equipped with NVIDA GeForce GTX 260 M GPU. If I just add NVIDA 3DTVPlay software am I going to be able to view in 3D the photos taken by the Fuji Finepix W1 3D Digital camera on the Panasonic 3D Plasma TVs currently being marketed? (The camera captures 3D still photos in MPO 3D File format [multiple picture format]) It also takes up to 15 minutes of video [which is in 3D_AV1 format) and I'm curious if that too can be seen in 3D on the 3D TV through this routing?

Since previously posting this I have confirmed that the Asus G51J3D has a 120 Hz display which itself is limited to 1,366 x 768 and measures 15.6 inches. It comes equipped with NIVIDIA's 3D Vision, glasses and IR emitter. Apparently the GeForce GTX is 160M, not 260M on the 3-D version of this laptop. Importantly it does have HDMI output which I would assume is used to connect to one of the new 3D TVS. Per the specs, this laptop "Connects to TVs if have 120 Hz or 240 Hz LCD TV." [I assume would also connect to Plasma as well.]

Question. The drive is specified as Optical Drive DVD Super Multi Drive, but no reference made to Blu-ray. Again, I am assuming that with a software upgrade this drive will be able to play 3d Blu-ray discs and their content will be visible in 3D both on the laptops monitor as well as on the screen of a connected 3D TV???

In summary, if one were to acquire this laptop would there be any need to purchase a 3D Blu-ray player to get full use out of one's 3D TV?

(By the way price is $1,569 on Amazon.)
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post #13 of 35
4/7/10 at 10:41pm
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Originally Posted by NorthTV View Post

Since previously posting this I have confirmed that the Asus G51J3D has a 120 Hz display which itself is limited to 1,366 x 768 and measures 15.6 inches. It comes equipped with NIVIDIA's 3D Vision, glasses and IR emitter. Apparently the GeForce GTX is 160M, not 260M on the 3-D version of this laptop. Importantly it does have HDMI output which I would assume is used to connect to one of the new 3D TVS. Per the specs, this laptop "Connects to TVs if have 120 Hz or 240 Hz LCD TV." [I assume would also connect to Plasma as well.]

Question. The drive is specified as Optical Drive DVD Super Multi Drive, but no reference made to Blu-ray. Again, I am assuming that with a software upgrade this drive will be able to play 3d Blu-ray discs and their content will be visible in 3D both on the laptops monitor as well as on the screen of a connected 3D TV???

In summary, if one were to acquire this laptop would there be any need to purchase a 3D Blu-ray player to get full use out of one's 3D TV?

(By the way price is $1,569 on Amazon.)

I forgot to add an additional question. Will getting this laptop easily facilitate being able to add the 2D to 3D feature that otherwise only comes with the Samsung, Sony, and Toshiba 3D TVs?
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post #14 of 35
4/8/10 at 8:23pm
I have a question, a lot actually, but I'll ask one for now. Say I go out and buy a new Samsung c8000 series TV today, and upgrade my PC to one that is capable of Nvidia 3D vision as well then with this software (assuming I understand correctly) could I use the 3D glasses Samsung offers in their starter kit to benefit from the Nvidia 3D vision?

I intended to get a 3DTV this summer and upgrade my PC to one that will let me play games in 3D but as of this moment I have a lot questions I need answers to so I can then establish a budget and whether or not my plans will be plausible.

EDIT - I knew there was something I was forgetting. I read the following on the Nvidia page linked in the first post, which says "Enables 1080p24, 720p60, and 720p50 3D formats" Does this mean then that no matter what I do on my PC in terms of 3D I am strictly limited to those resolutions? Or am I wrong, I mean if I want to play a game like Batman: Arkham Asylum say in 1080p60 or possibly even 1080p120 could I? I mean what exactly is meant by that quote? Maybe I am slightly confused, I know the number 24 in 1080p24 refers to hertz or the refresh rate of the screen, right? That isn't the same as in game FPS (frames per second), right? Would that 24 hertz refresh rate have any impact on performance?
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post #15 of 35
4/9/10 at 6:55am
It seems that at the moment the mandatory 3D specifications from HDMI1.4a are:

-For movie content:
o Frame Packing
1080p @ 23.98/24Hz

-For game content:
o Frame Packing
720p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz

-For broadcast content: (NEW IN HDMI 1.4a)
o Side-by-Side Horizontal
1080i @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz
o Top-and-Bottom
720p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz
1080p @ 23.97/24Hz

One of the OPTIONAL specifications is:
1080p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz !!! most important for S3D PC gaming, how can this not be mandatory !!!


So it will depend on the 3D TV and the nvidia 3DPlay software if they support that format and if you have an AVR that must support it too. So basically every device in the HDMI chain.
If not you will need to play @ 720p or 1080i, so your TV has to upscale or de-interlace.
Ofcourse you will still be able to play monoscopic at 1080p @ 50/60Hz, but S3D remains a question.

To answer your question, the output Hz is in fact the fps you send out to your TV. You can have 85fps in game that is rendered by your PC, but you will only send 60 or 50 frames out for a one second footage. This is also what is causing screentearing, because timing of the rendered frames is not in sync with the timing your PC needs to send a frame to your TV.
However gaming at 24Hz is actually seeing 24fps on your TV and is impossible to play.
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post #16 of 35
4/9/10 at 11:13am
The full 3D frame packing format contains 1080p/24 for each eye so it is actually sending 48 fps of 24fps content. See:

http://hdguru.com/3d-hdtv-and-hdmi-explained/1336/
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post #17 of 35
4/11/10 at 6:40pm
arg! no 1080p 3d gaming on nvidia cards -only 720p!! looks like ill skip this generation of tv's. what were they thinking...
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post #18 of 35
4/26/10 at 9:45am
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arg! no 1080p 3d gaming on nvidia cards -only 720p!! looks like ill skip this generation of tv's. what were they thinking...

Limitation of the TVs not Nvidia's limitation. 3dTVPlay is for gaming and movies on HDMI TVs. 3dVision if for gaming on the smaller LCD monitors and on the supported projectors and DLPS. 3dTVPlay will not work on the checkerboard DLPs.
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post #19 of 35
4/27/10 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by NorthTV View Post

OK, I see one can purchase a ASUS G51J3D 15 inch laptop equipped with NVIDA GeForce GTX 260 M GPU. If I just add NVIDA 3DTVPlay software am I going to be able to view in 3D the photos taken by the Fuji Finepix W1 3D Digital camera on the Panasonic 3D Plasma TVs currently being marketed? (The camera captures 3D still photos in MPO 3D File format [multiple picture format]) It also takes up to 15 minutes of video [which is in 3D_AV1 format) and I'm curious if that too can be seen in 3D on the 3D TV through this routing?

The samsung 3D tvs play video from usb devices and can do them in 3D. The TVs have a media player built in. Much better choice for watching 3D than a laptop.
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post #20 of 35
5/27/10 at 3:36am
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arg! no 1080p 3d gaming on nvidia cards -only 720p!! looks like ill skip this generation of tv's. what were they thinking...

It's heartbreaking isn't it..

Painfully obvious: We want 1920x1080@120hz capabilities on 40"+ screen sizes to play 3D games on for an incredible gaming experience..

What do we get? Everyone involved in the industry pissing in our face.. as usual.

Edit - Oh of course you can spend a crazy amount of money on a 22" LCD monitor that supports 120hz input (Every panel made in the last 2-3 years is capable of this - only the inputs aren't)..

22"... Yay mediocrity!
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post #21 of 35
5/27/10 at 8:43am
The 22" 120hz displays aren't a 'crazy amount'. They are around $300.
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post #22 of 35
5/27/10 at 9:38am
It appears that 3D vision now supports 1920x1080.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D-Visi...uirements.html
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post #23 of 35
5/27/10 at 12:10pm
The Alienware panel is 1080P.
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post #24 of 35
5/27/10 at 2:07pm
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The 22" 120hz displays aren't a 'crazy amount'. They are around $300.

They $400 down here in Oz.. which is over twice what you'd pay for any other 22" panel with similar refresh specs.

Okay it's not crazy but it's wasteful.. that money should be going toward a 40-46" panel!
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post #25 of 35
5/27/10 at 6:08pm
Reading the original link closely, it sounds like they're charging current nvidia graphics card owners (that don't own the nvidia 3D-Vision) money for a driver update.

Basically, if you have an nvidia card in your HTPC, there are two choices:

1. Purchase the 3D-Vision package, which will include this new driver.

2. If you went the iz3D route, you have to pay an extra fee for the driver.

ATI has built 120-Hz Stereoscopic support into their drivers for free. Now, if you want to play games in 3D, you have to purchase the iz3D driver (unless you have a DLP, then it's free). And 3D Blu-Ray software you have to pay for anyway.
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post #26 of 35
5/27/10 at 6:15pm
If you use ATI cards and drivers that support 120HZ output over dual link DVI what do you use for 3D glases and how to you sync them?
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post #27 of 35
5/28/10 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis View Post

Limitation of the TVs not Nvidia's limitation. 3dTVPlay is for gaming and movies on HDMI TVs. 3dVision if for gaming on the smaller LCD monitors and on the supported projectors and DLPS. 3dTVPlay will not work on the checkerboard DLPs.

yes of course i was just hoping to replace my 65" dlp tv with a true 1080p device with a giant screen. not some tiny LCD
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post #28 of 35
5/28/10 at 5:10pm
The 3DTV play program is a superset of the 3D play progam it supports the playing of 3D games etc on your 3D capable DLP.
Please reread the link I posted above since in states that the latest release of 3D vision supports 1080p formats as well as 720p formats.
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post #29 of 35
5/31/10 at 2:58am
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The 3DTV play program is a superset of the 3D play progam it supports the playing of 3D games etc on your 3D capable DLP.
Please reread the link I posted above since in states that the latest release of 3D vision supports 1080p formats as well as 720p formats.

maybe my post was not clear. I want to game in 1080p60 or 120 on a big screen tv or projector in HD, not half rez checkerboard, or side by side half rez (which is pretty much the same # of pixels as 720p). so far there is no support for full HD PC gaming on any large screens. check this link: http://www.3dtvplay.com/
1080p24 is too slow for gaming- everything will skip around and be a very poor experience. this will be for 3d blue ray.

I have a Mitsubishi 3d DLp hooked up to a HTPC and 3d vision- that i can play over 400 games in 3d on. the 3d effect is better than cinema 3d- i was just hoping that i would be able to upgrade to a true hd gaming device this summer ( that was not a small LCD that suffers from ghosting). i know my computer outputs 1080p and beyond- the issue is the display tech. not being up to the task yet.

So for me- the new 3d tv's are a disappointment.

respectfully,
regards
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post #30 of 35
5/31/10 at 4:15am
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so far there is no support for full HD PC gaming on any large screens.

No support for full HD 3D gaming on large screens.. I use a 42" Full HD LCD TV for gaming.. And my god was it hard to find one that didn't crap all over the picture

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So for me- the new 3d tv's are a disappointment.

For me, most of what the industry does is a bit of a disappointment..
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