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post #31 of 73
sony style store, San Jose (Valley Fair)...
saw some demo material... one of the two pairs of glasses was not working (batteries?). The demo material was hit and miss... some looked fantastic (some FPS game demo), some looked like cardboard cutouts... did not look as clean as I'd expected... don't know if it was ghosting or crosstalk, but it did not seem right. Not overly impressed, but it may have been because my only comparison was to IMAX 3D... I think a big screen is really needed. If I could afford this, I'd probably buy a silver screen, a second projector, a few polarizing filters, a videocard that supports stereoscopic output and power dvd ultra 10. Did I mention that I'm in the 'BIG screen is really needed to do 3d justice' camp?

On that note... what the H*LL... just called best buy and they told me they would not have the panny demo set up until June due to a vendor agreement with samsung? are they just clueless and don't even know what is in their magnolia section, or is the panny tour the only way to see a vt20/vt25 demo at this point???
post #32 of 73
The Samsung 55" at BB in ABQ, NM - Cottonwood Mall

Not the best setup for this type of demo:

1. No ceiling so those bright Sodium lamps (??) are right above it.
2. There was a whole wall of TV's behind where you sit with their light and images facing the 3DTV
3. 2 pr of the rechargable glasses on tethers but one pair had a smashed lens and was unuseable
4. Monsters vs Aliens.
5. Eyes were approx 8 feet from the display

Why they chose M v A to demo the new 3DTVs is beyond me. With it's 2.35 AR, you really don't get the size of the 55" to be apparent.

The 3D was good, depending on what was on the display, according ot the movie. I started watching about a minute before the end of the bridge scene. It was a bit cumbersome because my son and I kept passing the one pair of glasses back and forth. He wears glasses - wire frame - and had no problems with the 3D glasses fitting over them.

Typical LCD PQ - no deep blacks.

Yes - as soon as you tilt your head to either side, the image darkens - more tilt - the darker it gets. But watching in the normal head up position, the image was IMO, bright enough not to cause eye fatigue. And again the environment was not the best - total darkness will improve this.

Yes I saw instances of ghosting but not all the time. It seemed to depend on the action on the screen - high movement brought it on. Little movement - no ghosting.

I looked away from the screen to my right and it just looked like I had a pair of sunglasses on. I didn't see any; "everything is flickering." I put my finger over the receiver and once removed, the glasses went right back in sync almost immediately.

Looking forward to seeing both the 58" and 65" Panasonic 3DTV's when they arrive later this year.
post #33 of 73
Lee, the next time you get a chance to view the demo again, check to see if ghosting happens during bright red and/or bright blue objects. As I've mentioned before, that's what I see with my display (and the cheap IO glasses).
post #34 of 73
I saw the same demo today but was sitting farther away. Maybe 15ft ish. To me, most anything in the background was so fuzzy it made the experience not worth it. I did also get some eye fatigue after about a minute. There is no way I could watch anything for hours.
post #35 of 73
I'm glad you've all seen it at BB. When I went in the guy called me a liar, said their was no setup, no BB's anywhere in America had them at all, their was NO 3D material to even be shown and they didn't have a clue when they would have them. I told him he was wrong but he continued to tell me I was. What a jackass.
post #36 of 73
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Originally Posted by BWDinc View Post

I saw the same demo today but was sitting farther away. Maybe 15ft ish. To me, most anything in the background was so fuzzy it made the experience not worth it. I did also get some eye fatigue after about a minute. There is no way I could watch anything for hours.

I would like to suggest that you go back to where ever you saw the demo and somehow, cut the distance from your eyes to the display to about 8 feet - almost in half. I believe you will have a different experience than you already had.

In your current home - what size display do you now have and how far, in feet, are your eyes from the front of the display?
post #37 of 73
Last night Denver West BB...

The samsung setup was not working.
The Panny was cool.

They let me play with the setup menus some.

BB is funny, I mean new premier product and they did not have the samsung setup working and it seemed no big deal that it was not working, but still on display and many people looking at it, said it was terrible and that 3D sucked at home.
post #38 of 73
BB across from Streets of Southpoint, Durham in their Magnolia room.

They had both Samsung and Panasonic setups with seating and apparently spent time doing a decent job adjusting the sets. The demos showed a variety of material and the sales guy helping me was knowledgeable, able to answer most questions.

Both displays were clear, bright and had good color. The 3D effects were seamless, if a bit overdone for my taste. I'm sure if I watched long enough I'd find things to niggle about - there always are - but overall I was impressed. I'll have 3D before the end of the year.


Update: I checked out another Samsung display at the New Hope Commons BB, Durham and had a very different experience than at the Streets of Southpoint BB. It was out in the main store under the lights, showing Monsters vs Aliens and every time the movie action got fast it was a "mess". I could only watch for a few minutes because it was making my head spin. Safe to say, setup and location do matter.
post #39 of 73
Where I am my local Future Shop has the Samsung 3D T.V. but no glasses - Duh! I'll have to wait until sometime next week. From what I'm reading here 3D is going to be a must have for a lot of early adopters. I may or may not "buy in" this year; however, I think all the nay sayers are in for a big disappointment - 3D will be a popular option for a lot of people! What I really want is a front projector that provides me with my current 2D image (which has a ton of depth), but in non gimmicky 3D! How long will I have to wait - hopefully no more than 1 1/2 years. I may buy a large 3D T.V. in the mean time just to satisfy the equipment junkie in me, but it'll have to be no smaller than Samsung's 63" Plasma or maybe as large as Visio's 72" LCD. A little content would be nice!
post #40 of 73
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Originally Posted by JOHNnDENVER View Post

Last night Denver West BB...

The samsung setup was not working.
The Panny was cool.

They let me play with the setup menus some.

BB is funny, I mean new premier product and they did not have the samsung setup working and it seemed no big deal that it was not working, but still on display and many people looking at it, said it was terrible and that 3D sucked at home.




Yeah, they are pathetic if you ask me. Some folks even in this forum do not like what they see probably because the glasses or the setup wasn't hooked up correctly. I suggested for two folks to return to the store and check it back again, I guess that's what they did and they came back with positive impression this time.
post #41 of 73
BB Orlando - Waterford Lakes.

Had seen Sony @ Orlando Millenia Mall - meh, - just ok - dim picture and flicker.

BB - Samsung - nice pic quality - just didn't have the wow factor - still nice.

BB - Panasonic - holy crap! So this is what all the shouting is about! Bright, clear, and dynamic 3D both in and out of the screen. There was a canyon Discovery channel-type clip and it was literally like looking through a window (like you could fall through it.)

Panny gets my dead presidents until I see something better - hands down.
post #42 of 73
Thread Starter 
Saw Samsung PN55 C7000 at Milpitas BB
it looked great, no ghosting. the 3d effect was realistic
I want one, but I am waiting for the Samsung plasma PN50C7000 for $1620 online, no delivery charge and no tax

Blossom Hill CA BB said that the Panasonic would be on display by Sunday March 21
post #43 of 73
Lee when you saw ghosting on the Samsung was it ghosting of the foreground moving objects or was it possibly motion blur of all moving objects?
post #44 of 73
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Lee when you saw ghosting on the Samsung was it ghosting of the foreground moving objects or was it possibly motion blur of all moving objects?

Ghosting on the foreground moving objects. I am going back to BB later - about 5:45 PM (my time) without my son and spend some more time with their setup. I want to see the 2D to 3D conversion process in action. Just curious about it as I have no intention of buying a Samsung LCD 3DTV.

PDP rulz!
post #45 of 73
Lee,
Lee when you go back today you might try and see of the ghosting of the froreground 3D images may is due to sync problems caused by one of the following;
1. Partial obstruction to the IR signal from the emitter in the lower left hand coner of the bezel to viewers glases IR receivers.
2. Either the left eye or the right eye shutter not closing completly. You can try covering each separatly while watching.
2 Two different TVs next to each other both ouputting sync signals for glases.
post #46 of 73
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Lee,
Lee when you go back today you might try and see of the ghosting of the froreground 3D images may is due to sync problems caused by one of the following;
1. Partial obstruction to the IR signal from the emitter in the lower left hand coner of the bezel to viewers glases IR receivers.
2. Either the left eye or the right eye shutter not closing completly. You can try covering each separatly while watching.
2 Two different TVs next to each other both ouputting sync signals for glases.

My BB's 3DTV setup is pretty basic. Single 55" Samsung on a 8 foot wall, facing you about 8 feet away from the back of the chair - 2, next to each other with a small division for the 3D glasses which are on tethers. Half walls on right, back and a partial on the left so you can enter and leave the "room." No ceiling. And only a single pair of glasses - 2nd pair were broken

No obstructions in between 3DTV and viewer, unless someone walked in front of the display.

As I said - no ghosting when movement in the movie is low so I have to asume the shutter glasses are working properly.

EDIT:

One of the causes for ghosting/crosstalk with the use of active shutter glasses is the quality/performance of the glasses themselves. Their ability to block the light completely from one eye to the other in a rapid sequence. It may just be the Samsung 3D glasses are not doing a great job at accomplishing this and is more apparent when motion speeds up in the content versus when it is static.
post #47 of 73
samsung c6900, samsung 46" led

Fry's, Plano, TX

It wasn't avatar in Imax, but I was very impressed. I will be be purchasing one ASAP. Does anyone know if my JVC RS10 PJ is 3D compatible?
post #48 of 73
Just saw the Samsung demo at the Best Buy in Wyomissing, PA (Outskirts of Reading, PA - Berks County).

It was a pretty neat experience. I did notice the darkening effect if you tilt your head from side to side, the screen becomes very dark. If you hold the glasses perpendicular to the TV, it's as if the entire screen is black.

There was some slight ghosting in the foreground if you were looking for it. The resolution was great, and it was playing the Monsters Vs. Aliens 3D Blue Ray from Samsung's latest 3D ready Blue Ray Player. They also sold two packs of additional glasses. I didn't happen to see prices on the extra glasses however. I think the TV was $2699.99 and it was the same Samsung 55" LED LCD TV we've been seeing at other Best Buy's.

There is a lot of potential with the technology. We'll have to see if it catches on. Going forward though, these 3D TV's have some great specs, and if your in the market for a new TV, you might as well get 3D, whether you turn it on or off.

They said there's a mode on this TV to simulate 3D on 2D sources. I don't know how that would work, and there wasn't another source to test this with. We were all too in awe of the 3D Blue Ray to see if the Tivo HD they had under the TV was hooked up.

They only had 1 set of working glasses. The other ones were broken. It appeared as if they were tethered with a mini USB connector. There were some occasional out of sync 'blips' in the shutters as well, but not often.
post #49 of 73
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Originally Posted by bodeealliejosh View Post

Does anyone know if my JVC RS10 PJ is 3D compatible?

I would venture an educated guess and say no. It says nothing in the specs about your PJ being 3D ready.
post #50 of 73
Went back to BB to try to see the 2D to 3D on the fly conversion feature - NG. The only source attached to the Samsung is the 3D BD player.

But I do have to post some of the very interesting conversations I had with two of the sales people at BB:

2D to 3D Conversion:

Lee: "Can you switch the input from the 3D BD player over to your store HD feed, then turn on the 2D to 3D conversion feature?"

BB1: "The what?"

Lee: "The special feature that will convert any 2D source to 3D on the fly so anything I watch can be 3D as long as I am wearing the glasses."

BB1: "This TV can do that?"

Lee: "Yep."

BB1: "Well the only input is the 3D BD player.

Lee: "OK - thanks for your time."


Buying a 65" Panasonic 3DTV:

Lee: "You will be getting the Panasonic 3DTV's soon?"

BB2: "Yes - we do expect them in soon. We aren't a Magnolia store so we have to wait."

Lee: "I understand. Will you be getting all three sizes for display in this store?"

BB2: "Probably only the 50" and the 58". The 65" will be a special order item."

Lee: "Really? What does that mean when you say special order?"

BB2: "Well first off, we schedule a consultation visit to your home."

Lee: "And why is that?"

BB2: "We need to go over a number of items with you."

Lee: "Like what?"

BB2: "Well, there is planning and setup and installation to discuss with you."

Lee: "I see . . . thank you for your time."

post #51 of 73
I went back to BB and HH and saw the SAM 55 inch 7000 demo. This time it did not bother my eyes at all. I noticed most of the problems were with blue. you can see a slight extra edge that shouldn't be there. Overall I liked most of the depth, but not in every shot. The cut the disc down so it was only a few scenes. I don't know if the whole movie had good depth scenes. All I know now is I want to see 3D plasma. I did not see anyone buying or even considering it , moslty bc of price.
post #52 of 73
Two women were setting up the Samsung display at the Sears where I work yesterday, didn't get to see it in action until today.

Our display is 12 feet wide. The left side has the C7000 running the Aliens vs Monsters demo 3D BD. The right side has two non-3D LED sets one over the other. The top one's running an LED promo off a flashdrive and the bottom one is running a 3D promo off another flashdrive. Intermittently the lower promo will say "put on glasses" and the screen will show two horizontally squeezed images side by side--now we know what shows on the screen when you feed 3D to a non-3D tv. The lady who set up the display swore up and down the lower right set was 3D capable but it's only a C6000 so obviously isn't. If it were 3D capable the if synch signal from it would mess up the glasses for the 55" set on the left side of the display anyway. Obviously the marketing genius who designed the display didn't talk to the tech geniuses that know how the system works. Chances are the original display setup caused interference between the two sets so the smaller lower right one got a non-3D set specced at the last minute.
By the middle of the day both flashdrive driven sets went blank except for a "no signal" screensaver--had to reboot both and spend another half hour getting the flasdrives to go into looping mode again--typical Samsung glitchiness.


We don't have our store feed connected to any of the sets on display per agreement with Samsung so can't test the faux 3D using it. Might try a non-3D BD in the 3D player to check out the feature when I get a chance.

Our glasses are tethered to the display and one can't get further than about 5 feet from the screen. The effect on MvA looks sorta like cardboard cutouts placed at different depths back from the screen surface--I'd really like to see something from a live action film before passing judgement based on a CGI animated "film". Didn't see any flickering but ghosting was evident in some scenes and seemed to get worse if viewing from other than dead center. Didn't try tilting my head to see if that had any effect.
I'd really like to see a plasma setup, don't know if we'll even carry the Panny 3D sets.

The price on the UN55C7000 is 200 less than full-bore retail on the B7000 was, but about 600 more than our closeout price on the older model. The Samsung player's about 120 more than Sony's 3D player and 100 more than a PS3.

I don't mean to sound totally negative--I think the experience overall would have been better If I could have gotten further away from the tv and if the movie chosen wasn't cgi animation. For first effort from Samsung it was pretty decent, but as usual with new tech from that company I don't think it's quite ready for primetime. It'll be ok for some just like the 3 ball effect on their early 120hz tvs and the undefeatable DNR on their first BD player was, but I think Panasonic will do it better and probably Samsung's own plasmas will do it better.
post #53 of 73
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Originally Posted by nowknown View Post

BB Orlando - Waterford Lakes.

Had seen Sony @ Orlando Millenia Mall - meh, - just ok - dim picture and flicker.

BB - Samsung - nice pic quality - just didn't have the wow factor - still nice.

BB - Panasonic - holy crap! So this is what all the shouting is about! Bright, clear, and dynamic 3D both in and out of the screen. There was a canyon Discovery channel-type clip and it was literally like looking through a window (like you could fall through it.)

Panny gets my dead presidents until I see something better - hands down.

FWIW - Both Sony and Samsung TVs were in main showrooms with lots of ambient light/glare. Panny was in darkened Magnolia room.
post #54 of 73
Was just at Best Buy in Albany, NY and watched some of Monsters Vs Aliens on the Samsung starter setup. Looked very good IMHO. Of course the TV was mounted to high and the store lights were on everywhere. Still it was good. One pair of glasses were already duct taped. The glasses are cheap, I can't see them holding up if you have kids.
post #55 of 73
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Originally Posted by jgcec View Post

BEST BUY STORES NOW


SUNDAY March 21
Panasonic 3D complete TV set up
will be set up by Sunday in Blossom Hill store
no display but is available to buy at Milpitas store

I've got to run up to the SJ airport Monday night. Did you happen to find out if Blossom Hill did get the Panny display setup Sunday?

In Marina, the answer was "we don't know when".
post #56 of 73
The BB in Colorado Springs near the USAF Academy has a Sammy set-up, not bad, they have Monsters Vs. Aliens up on it and its got really good depth but it doesn't pop out like 3D in the theater, though I blame this on the movie.
post #57 of 73
Thread Starter 
I went to a BB today in San Jose, on Almaden road at 85 and saw both the Sammy and Pan 3D. This was the 2nd time I had seen the Sammy, but at the Milpitas BB.

They both looked good, there was no crosstalk and both had 3D effects that came off the screen in your face so to speak and gave great depth.

I think it depends on the content that you are seeing. The only fair comparison would be to see them side by side with the same content playing at the same time.

The pan demo content was better and more fun overall, but the MvsAliens was also good. TV shopping is almost as bad as shopping for clothes as far as I am concerned. The only real way to tell is to buy the TV and watch it at home for several weeks, which is what I plan on doing with the Samsung Plasma 3D.
post #58 of 73
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Went back to BB to try to see the 2D to 3D on the fly conversion feature - NG. The only source attached to the Samsung is the 3D BD player.

But I do have to post some of the very interesting conversations I had with two of the sales people at BB:

2D to 3D Conversion:

Lee: "Can you switch the input from the 3D BD player over to your store HD feed, then turn on the 2D to 3D conversion feature?"

BB1: "The what?"

Lee: "The special feature that will convert any 2D source to 3D on the fly so anything I watch can be 3D as long as I am wearing the glasses."

BB1: "This TV can do that?"

Lee: "Yep."

BB1: "Well the only input is the 3D BD player.

Lee: "OK - thanks for your time."


Buying a 65" Panasonic 3DTV:

Lee: "You will be getting the Panasonic 3DTV's soon?"

BB2: "Yes - we do expect them in soon. We aren't a Magnolia store so we have to wait."

Lee: "I understand. Will you be getting all three sizes for display in this store?"

BB2: "Probably only the 50" and the 58". The 65" will be a special order item."

Lee: "Really? What does that mean when you say special order?"

BB2: "Well first off, we schedule a consultation visit to your home."

Lee: "And why is that?"

BB2: "We need to go over a number of items with you."

Lee: "Like what?"

BB2: "Well, there is planning and setup and installation to discuss with you."

Lee: "I see . . . thank you for your time."


With regard to availability of the 58 inch and 65 inch Panasonic Plasma 3D TVs, I was provided a print out from my Magnolia department of BB several weeks ago which had a projected availability date for those of July, 2010. One would think that would be sufficient lead time to have the 1.4(a) standard incorporated.

P.S. Maybe the in home consultation is to make sure we haven't put a "For Sale" sign on our house to get the funds to pay for the 65 incher. lol
post #59 of 73
I don't know
post #60 of 73
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Originally Posted by jgcec View Post

The only real way to tell is to buy the TV and watch it at home for several weeks, which is what I plan on doing with the Samsung Plasma 3D.

I think the Samsung is LCD and the Panasonic is plasma. I didn't get by the Blossom Hill store when I was in town yesterday, but the Almaden off of 85 is an easier shot and on the way to where I go regularly up there. I'll probably get by there in the near future then.
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