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post #241 of 5211
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Originally Posted by MBKCPA View Post

64ms seems high though i'm not sure... do you notice any input delay when you are playing rock band at all? input lag is a huge thing for me and from what i've heard panasonics/samsungs aren't too bad... but those numbers on the LG seem high. how does the glare compare to panasonic/samsung? i've heard good things about the pk550...

Yeah 64ms is very high; weren't they around 30ms last year, with <30 for Panasonic and 30-50 for Samsung?


In the "Game Mode" settings maybe set Colour Gamut to Normal (if it lets you do this) -- reduce colour processing to speed it up?
post #242 of 5211
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Originally Posted by walt73 View Post

Yeah 64ms is very high; weren't they around 30ms last year, with <30 for Panasonic and 30-50 for Samsung?


In the "Game Mode" settings maybe set Colour Gamut to Normal (if it lets you do this) -- reduce colour processing to speed it up?

well damn. I may have to brave the rising black levels and pick up a G20 then :/
post #243 of 5211
One thing though, is that Guitar Hero test an actual input lag test like some guys do with laptop, CRT and camera? is it giving real #s?

I know on my 2009 LG LCDs (LH 20 and 30) I noticed a tiny bit of lag as against my old CRT, but these were measured around 30ms which is low for LCD.
post #244 of 5211
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Originally Posted by walt73 View Post

One thing though, is that Guitar Hero test an actual input lag test like some guys do with laptop, CRT and camera? is it giving real #s?

I know on my 2009 LG LCDs (LH 20 and 30) I noticed a tiny bit of lag as against my old CRT, but these were measured around 30ms which is low for LCD.

I posted photos on the previous page of my PK550 alongside my crt monitor with a duplicated stopwatch

But yes, I will explain the RB2 calibration.
The game will output beeps about 1 second apart, you hold the guitar, which has a microphone built into it up to the tv. The game then uses the microphone on the guitar to determine how long it is taking the beeps to get through your tv's sound system.
It does the same with the video, it flashes bright white on the screen about 1s apart and you hold the guitar up to the screen and it detects the time between when it knows the flash was sent from the PS3 til when the guitar sensor picks it up.
It gives you an actual readout in milliseconds of how much lag there is.

I would post a video but youtube seems to be down...
post #245 of 5211
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Originally Posted by shaddix View Post

I posted photos on the previous page of my PK550 alongside my crt monitor with a duplicated stopwatch

But yes, I will explain the RB2 calibration.
The game will output beeps about 1 second apart, you hold the guitar, which has a microphone built into it up to the tv. The game then uses the microphone on the guitar to determine how long it is taking the beeps to get through your tv's sound system.
It does the same with the video, it flashes bright white on the screen about 1s apart and you hold the guitar up to the screen and it detects the time between when it knows the flash was sent from the PS3 til when the guitar sensor picks it up.
It gives you an actual readout in milliseconds of how much lag there is.

I would post a video but youtube seems to be down...

OK thanks,that was dumb of me to miss it ... yep, looks like a good test.

But 308 on the CRT, 222 on the LG ... 308 - 222 = 86 ???! difference? So there's an assumed 26 ms lag before the signal gets to the CRT?

EDIT Make that 22 ms extra lag in the test if we're saying 64ms on the display?
post #246 of 5211
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Originally Posted by walt73 View Post

OK thanks,that was dumb of me to miss it ... yep, looks like a good test.

But 308 on the CRT, 222 on the LG ... 308 - 222 = 86 ???! difference? So there's an assumed 26 ms lag before the signal gets to the CRT?

EDIT Make that 22 ms extra lag in the test if we're saying 64ms on the display?

Well I was using component input when I tested with Rock Band 2 so that may make a difference.
post #247 of 5211
The picture looks pretty dim, what is your brightness set at? I was ready to pull the trigger and buy this tv, but after seeing those pictures I am seriously considering just going for a 52" lcd, too bad because it could have saved me quite a lot of money .
post #248 of 5211
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Originally Posted by kabouter View Post

The picture looks pretty dim, what is your brightness set at? I was ready to pull the trigger and buy this tv, but after seeing those pictures I am seriously considering just going for a 52" lcd, too bad because it could have saved me quite a lot of money .

Looks like the flash is on, on the camera. I'm sure it'll look fine in a light controlled room.
post #249 of 5211
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Originally Posted by Mauri View Post

I strongly recommend you to don't go inside the Service Menu. There is nothing interesting inside the Service menu that is not also available from the OSD.

Trust me, my friend, forget the Service Menu. I know many people that have damaged their TV, or that have had the dub to have changed something. I'm a I.T. Tech, and I know what I'm telling you (I know also how to open the service menu of my LG, and what options are inside it).

I thought you could get a readout on how many working hours the set has int he SM. It's the only thing I care about I could access in that menu
post #250 of 5211
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Originally Posted by kabouter View Post

The picture looks pretty dim, what is your brightness set at? I was ready to pull the trigger and buy this tv, but after seeing those pictures I am seriously considering just going for a 52" lcd, too bad because it could have saved me quite a lot of money .

Those pictures aren't representative at all of the picture quality. It looks amazing to me coming from a sony wega crt HDTV.

I just tested connected to vga from laptop and the latency came up as 46ms.
I also connected my laptop to my desktop crt and the latency between them is zero.
So make of that what you will, seems the vga input on the tv has less latency than the component, and component has less latency than hdmi
I tested different aspect ratios and picture settings and they all came out with similar latencies. The expert mode actually had the highest latency.

so:
dvi>hdmi via pc = 86ms (photographic test)
ps3>component = 64ms (rock band 2)
vga>vga via pc = 46ms (photographic test)
post #251 of 5211
reflections:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anSMLiPuOvY

lights on/off reflections:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUlmrYpmReI

make sure to click 1080p
post #252 of 5211
Does anyone know if the 60pk550 is expected to have lower mll than the 50pk550? I know on a lot of the panasonics the blacks are darker on the bigger panels and I was wondering if it is the same for lgs.
post #253 of 5211
Big question here: have any of the disappointed Samsung 50B850 owners bought this? And if so, how do they compare the operational noise of the set?

I definitely need to find a replacement for the Samsung soon as my return policy is almost up.
post #254 of 5211
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Originally Posted by shane0049 View Post

Few posts on here already regarding the TV looking like a mirror when it's turned off. Few posts on here from people who own the TV, like me, and have it at home and have commented that when the TV is turned on the reflection/glare is a non-issue. If your going to make a statement that after looking at the TV in a store with tons of lighting that you can't bring yourself to pick up a set w/o a filter, then your right. You need a filter. BTW, this forum is titled: The Official LG xxPK550 Owners Discussion. Not the: Make some dumb statement about a TV I don't own but looked at in a store with a ton of lighting and decided I need a TV with a filter.

Three things:

1. No need to be a jerk. If only owners of this set posted on this thread, it wouldn't be much of a discussion.

2. I don't need to own a set to know that there will be problems with glare when when you have a GLASS SCREEN with no AR filter whatsoever if the room is lit in any way.

3. I commented on the glare with the set turned on. There isnt a case that can be made regarding a non-issue with glare, knowing point #2 to be fact.

enjoy your set
post #255 of 5211
Chad B:

Did you notice any of the image processing issues that AVFOrums did on the 950?

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/LG-5...TV-Review.html
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post #257 of 5211
@ shaddix, i just read your response back to me... thank you! the TV looks great btw and the glare isn't too bad but the 80 something on the HDMI seems high... i am currently looking at the PN58B550 and haven't heard of any outstanding lag issues with that set. i know panasonics are good with lag as well.
post #258 of 5211
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Originally Posted by MBKCPA View Post

shaddix, has the lag effected your gameplay at all? the hdmi seems high... are you experiencing any issues when playing? and thanks for the glare videos--it really isn't that bad. the tv looks great btw.


Well so far I've only played MAG on it. This is a 30fps game, my CRT had 32ms video lag, so I'm only lagging 1 frame compared to my CRT and no I do not notice it on this game. I haven't tried anything else. I am using component cables.

The only reason I'm playing games is because this particular panel is going back for 10-12(!) pixels that aren't working right. When I get the replacement one, it won't have any games on it for about two weeks lol.

Where I DO notice the lag, is when using it hooked up to my pc through dvi>hdmi. It's very noticeable compared to my crt monitors. I could not play a pc first person shooter on this set.


edit: I am confused lol, you read my post before I posted it?
post #259 of 5211
sorry, i went back and saw you had responded to me in the previous page so i edited my response... i'm glad you responded to my old post though because it answered a lot of my questions. if you only notice 1 frame of lag, that's not that bad. the game i mostly play is 60fps, but there are some "just frame" inputs that require precise timining so i don't know if it will be an issue. i see now you lotice lag on PC--sorry to hear that. what sets will you be looking at now?
post #260 of 5211
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Originally Posted by MBKCPA View Post

sorry, i went back and saw you had responded to me in the previous page so i edited my response... i'm glad you responded to my old post though because it answered a lot of my questions. if you only notice 1 frame of lag, that's not that bad. the game i mostly play is 60fps, but there are some "just frame" inputs that require precise timining so i don't know if it will be an issue. i see now you lotice lag on PC--sorry to hear that. what sets will you be looking at now?

You play tekken?
post #261 of 5211
haha, YEP. i'm looking for a plasma because the DLP i bought (wd-65c9) is too big for my room. funny thing is i haven't had any problems with input when playing on the mitsu 65 DLP... but now i need a plasma that will fit in my room so i'm considering the pn58b550, tc-p58s1 and this LG. do you play as well?
post #262 of 5211
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Originally Posted by MBKCPA View Post

haha, YEP. i'm looking for a plasma because the DLP i bought (wd-65c9) is too big for my room. funny thing is i haven't had any problems with input when playing on the mitsu 65 DLP... but now i need a plasma that will fit in my room so i'm considering the pn58b550, tc-p58s1 and this LG. do you play as well?

I used to play tag, I have T6 but no arcade sticks.. ps3 controllers do not work properly with the game so I haven't been able to play it. I would never play tekken on this LG man, I am going to hold on to my sony wega and if I ever pick up some nice arcade sticks I will play on that thing.

Think about not seeing that 8 frame jab until its 4 frames into the action. If I was going to get a plasma for tekken I would most definitely not go with LG. I'll keep this LG because I'm tired of doing everything else but games on a 34" screen. And I can still play stuff like rpgs, single player action games, etc on it. And it's a good price.
I will probably pick up a panasonic next year for gaming assuming they have fixed the rising blacks problem. Til then it will be CRT ONRY for anything time critical like tekken.
post #263 of 5211
I wasn't aware that Plasma could get dead/stuck pixels, I thought it was only on LCD/LEDs.
post #264 of 5211
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Originally Posted by halokilla77 View Post

I wasn't aware that Plasma could get dead/stuck pixels, I thought it was only on LCD/LEDs.

I thought that too, that's one of the reasons I went with plasma over lcd. I am hoping the panel I got was just a fluke. We will see how the next one does, it will be here tomorrow.
post #265 of 5211
The input lag time is most disappointing.

Shaddix, do you notice anything in person while playing fast paced games such as a action adventure game or something from shooter genre?
post #266 of 5211
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Originally Posted by barrist View Post

Chad B:

Did you notice any of the image processing issues that AVFOrums did on the 950?

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/LG-5...TV-Review.html

I think it needs to be confirmed that the effect the reviewer saw is really an image processing issue like fixed sharpening & not something like the contrast being set too high by the reviewer. Too high contrast can also lead to a "ringing" or less detailed type effect.

Maybe Chad B will have more to say about image sharpness quality in a few weeks in his PK750 review.

Another thought -- if it is a fixed sharpening setting, could LG issue a firmware update which disables it or allows it to be toggled?
post #267 of 5211
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Originally Posted by unap16 View Post

The input lag time is most disappointing.

Shaddix, do you notice anything in person while playing fast paced games such as a action adventure game or something from shooter genre?

Demon's souls(3rd person action rpg): I don't notice anything
MAG(fps): the input lag is quite noticeable coming from my CRT. Strafing left and right.. switching directions feels a bit more sluggish than before.
post #268 of 5211
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Originally Posted by walt73 View Post

Another thought -- if it is a fixed sharpening setting, could LG issue a firmware update which disables it or allows it to be toggled?

I would also like to know the answer to this
post #269 of 5211
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Originally Posted by shaddix View Post

I used to play tag, I have T6 but no arcade sticks.. ps3 controllers do not work properly with the game so I haven't been able to play it. I would never play tekken on this LG man, I am going to hold on to my sony wega and if I ever pick up some nice arcade sticks I will play on that thing.

Think about not seeing that 8 frame jab until its 4 frames into the action. If I was going to get a plasma for tekken I would most definitely not go with LG. I'll keep this LG because I'm tired of doing everything else but games on a 34" screen. And I can still play stuff like rpgs, single player action games, etc on it. And it's a good price.
I will probably pick up a panasonic next year for gaming assuming they have fixed the rising blacks problem. Til then it will be CRT ONRY for anything time critical like tekken.

yeah once you started posting on the input lag i began steering away from LG. i think the best is panasonic and truth be told from what i've read about the blacks, the rise is less substantial on the larger S units, and even after they rise, i think the blacks are still better than the competition (PN58B550), but i'm still not ready to pull the trigger on one.

i'm really suprised that the mitsubishi 65 DLP seems to have little to no lag when playing tekken. my combo timing has not changed at all from my toshiba CRT and i've actually been blocking better since then, which i interpret as no increase in lag from the toshiba to the mitsu DLP--its just that i've improved my blocking and punishment is all.

BUT, i need a plasma for the room and right now its still between TC-p58s1 and PN58B550...
post #270 of 5211
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Originally Posted by MBKCPA View Post

yeah once you started posting on the input lag i began steering away from LG. i think the best is panasonic and truth be told from what i've read about the blacks, the rise is less substantial on the larger S units, and even after they rise, i think the blacks are still better than the competition (PN58B550), but i'm still not ready to pull the trigger on one.

i'm really suprised that the mitsubishi 65 DLP seems to have little to no lag when playing tekken. my combo timing has not changed at all from my toshiba CRT and i've actually been blocking better since then, which i interpret as no increase in lag from the toshiba to the mitsu DLP--its just that i've improved my blocking and punishment is all.

BUT, i need a plasma for the room and right now its still between TC-p58s1 and PN58B550...

I would get a larger panny if I could afford the size, works out though since I sit like 5 feet from the screen.
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