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post #331 of 5203
3/27/10 at 12:45am
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Originally Posted by slosvt View Post

Saw the 50pk550 at Sears today and it looked good. I think the reflections were not that bad based on my expectations after reading this thread. If I was in the market for a 50", its a tough choice between the g20 and pk550 if room conditions matter. If in a light controlled environment, a calibrated pk550 is probably better than the calibrated g20, given the black level rise. The LG by far has the better looks!

I'm just curious at what mll a 60 pk550 would measure at...

I have my set in my living room, which has medium light in the day. I will be the first to admit that the screen on the PK5500 looks really reflective when off. I have had zero issues w/ glare or reflections when the set is turned on during the day. Another thing nobody has really mentioned is the bezel. It is very shiney. Sometimes the bottom will be a tad distracting during day time use. Hasn't been a real big issue, though. I would not reccomend this TV in a brightly lit room for daytime TV watching. Without any filter it would be a problem I think. Some of the people commenting on the reflection issue in this forum are baseing that from what the TV looks like in the store, which isn't really fair to the TV. If your thinking medium to low light room you should be more than happy. Hope this helps.
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post #332 of 5203
3/27/10 at 1:06am
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Originally Posted by sadmaker View Post

Three things:

1. No need to be a jerk. If only owners of this set posted on this thread, it wouldn't be much of a discussion.

2. I don't need to own a set to know that there will be problems with glare when when you have a GLASS SCREEN with no AR filter whatsoever if the room is lit in any way.

3. I commented on the glare with the set turned on. There isnt a case that can be made regarding a non-issue with glare, knowing point #2 to be fact.

enjoy your set


Point 1 has some validity to it and your right. I made a comment based on emotion rather than fact. But the flip side to that is by you passing judgement on a TV by what you see in a store and not what you see at home helps nobody make an informed decision. Point 2 makes no sense at all. Lit in anyway? So your saying from personal experience that because this TV has no filter it has to be in a completely dark room for there to be no glare on it? That's funny because my TV sits in a room with medium lighting during the day and there are no glare issues when the TV is on. I assume what you meant is direct lighting vs. indirect lighting?
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post #333 of 5203
3/27/10 at 5:52am
I used a 2006 Panasonic 42ph60u that had no AR filter for three years in a brighly lit room and had no problems with glare. I had the TV situated so that no direct sunlight was on the screen. One reading lamp did occasionally show up in the evenings, but serious viewing was done lights off except for bias lighting.

I now have a 2009 Panasonic with AR filter and the filter makes the set look better for daylight viewing than the 2006. Helps absolutely zero with the reading light. This doesn't really bother me either way.

Have seen several of the LG's at Sears and they made a very good initial impression even in store mode.
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post #334 of 5203
3/27/10 at 6:40am
Hmmm. Got the ok from the other half to possibly upgrade. I can move the 50g10 to the room and put the pk550 downstairs. The dilemma is what size pk550? At only 8 feet viewing distance the 50g10 is plenty big. I was considering a 54g20, but for the price its either stick with 50 or jump to the 60 pk550. I do not see an advantage to getting the 750 or 950 for the remote or thx or internet widgets based on the calibration report Chad was able to produce using the pk550...
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post #335 of 5203
3/27/10 at 8:01am
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post #336 of 5203
3/27/10 at 8:32am
Hmm... 60 means a new stand and probably twice the price of the 50. Let's see what she wants to do
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post #337 of 5203
3/27/10 at 9:12am
It's worth it, I got the 60" and I love it...huge difference from the 50.
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post #338 of 5203
3/27/10 at 9:55am
Can anyone with the 60 measure the distance between the mounting holes for the brackets on the back of the TV?

My stand is good for up to 150 lbs and has a width of roughly 31" from end to end. My 50" G10 is roughly 17" wide, so if the 60" LG is less than say 28" I would not need a new stand
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post #339 of 5203
3/27/10 at 12:37pm
Hello,

Yesterday I sold my Panasonic TCP50U1 and got the LG 50PK550 and I would like to post some impressions.

ps: The only calibration that I did so far was with THX optimizer + Glasses and using the picture wizard (They both gave me very similar values)

The reflections are just like the Panasonic U1, they both don't have AR coating, I don't know why people are surprised about that, plasmas without AR reflect a lot of light out of their glass, no surprise there.

I can notice higher light output when compared to the Pana U1, you get that "pop" similar to LCDs, it can get really bright if you want to, I can't however notice deeper blacks, but this can be due to calibration, there are so many settings.

After 4 hours of movie watching the TV was hot on the back, but not that hot as reported by other users.

PROBLEMS

One of the problems was already reported by another user, the light bleeding to the sides, it happens when you are in things like menus, and the region you have selected has a lighter color than the rest of the image, this problem is more clear in this picture:

img187.imageshack.us/i/img0953dp2.jpg

Another problem that I noticed is when playing games, the way things are moving just don't feel right when compared to the Pana U1, the motion is not as fluid, the game in question is Gears of War 2, things use to be smoother with the U1, I think this is the lag issues reported by another user.

The last problem I want to report I consider to be the worst by far, this TV produces SO MUCH flickering on the edges of moving objects, this is not just while playing games. Both my Xbox 360 and PS3 are connected through HDMI and the are both giving me a lot of edge flickering, Gears of War 2, God of War 3, picture slide shows are all giving me this edge flickering. I just played "This is it" on blu ray from the PS3 and I could also notice flickering! It's not nearly as bad as when playing games, but I can still see it.

This is a very distracting image problem, when you are not moving an object there is no flickering, but as soon as you start moving you see the flickering around the environment. I tried to play with the sharpness level but that didn't help.

The Pana U1 didn't have this flickering problem.

I'm hoping that some of these issues can be solved with proper calibration, otherwise this TV can't be compared Panasonics, it seems that it was too good to be truth.

On the calibration topic,
There are so many options on the "Advance settings" part, I find it really hard for most of us(non-professionals) to calibrate this TV properly.\\


(I have been registered for a long time but this is my first post)
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post #340 of 5203
3/27/10 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by gihad View Post

Hello,

Yesterday I sold my Panasonic TCP50U1 and got the LG 50PK550 and I would like to post some impressions.

ps: The only calibration that I did so far was with THX optimizer + Glasses and using the picture wizard (They both gave me very similar values)

The reflections are just like the Panasonic U1, they both don't have AR coating, I don't know why people are surprised about that, plasmas without AR reflect a lot of light out of their glass, no surprise there.

I can notice higher light output when compared to the Pana U1, you get that "pop" similar to LCDs, it can get really bright if you want to, I can't however notice deeper blacks, but this can be due to calibration, there are so many settings.

After 4 hours of movie watching the TV was hot on the back, but not that hot as reported by other users.

PROBLEMS

One of the problems was already reported by another user, the light bleeding to the sides, it happens when you are in things like menus, and the region you have selected has a lighter color than the rest of the image, this problem is more clear in this picture:

img187.imageshack.us/i/img0953dp2.jpg

Another problem that I noticed is when playing games, the way things are moving just don't feel right when compared to the Pana U1, the motion is not as fluid, the game in question is Gears of War 2, things use to be smoother with the U1, I think this is the lag issues reported by another user.

The last problem I want to report I consider to be the worst by far, this TV produces SO MUCH flickering on the edges of moving objects, this is not just while playing games. Both my Xbox 360 and PS3 are connected through HDMI and the are both giving me a lot of edge flickering, Gears of War 2, God of War 3, picture slide shows are all giving me this edge flickering. I just played "This is it" on blu ray from the PS3 and I could also notice flickering! It's not nearly as bad as when playing games, but I can still see it.

This is a very distracting image problem, when you are not moving an object there is no flickering, but as soon as you start moving you see the flickering around the environment. I tried to play with the sharpness level but that didn't help.

The Pana U1 didn't have this flickering problem.

I'm hoping that some of these issues can be solved with proper calibration, otherwise this TV can't be compared Panasonics, it seems that it was too good to be truth.

On the calibration topic,
There are so many options on the "Advance settings" part, I find it really hard for most of us(non-professionals) to calibrate this TV properly.\\


(I have been registered for a long time but this is my first post)

I noticed the same flickering when I saw the 60 pk550 in sears. I found it really distracting. I will probably go back to look at it one more time to see if it still bothers me as much, but if it does that is going to knock the lg out of consideration.
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post #341 of 5203
3/27/10 at 3:47pm
Got to see a 50PK550 today at Sears. I was pretty impressed. Motion was fine. I didn't see any roughness or edge flickering one user reports above. I specifically looked for phosphor trails. I didn't see any but this "test" wasn't exactly conclusive.

More than anything I was struck by the contrast of the set which is much higher than I've been used to w/ LCD. The colours are just so saturated looking, really delicious though the floor model was way out of whack calibration-wise. OTOH people who are used to plasmas prob. won't find the colours & contrast much of a novelty.

Glare/reflections are not an issue for my TV room (light controlled) but I did notice the TV was super-shiny and glossy.

I'm going to sleep on it. I'm still wondering "What's the catch?" other than the higher risk of minor imperfections e.g. stuck pixels and a little horiz. line bleed. The price was so reasonable I'm very tempted to order one tomorrow instead of waiting for the 750.
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post #342 of 5203
3/27/10 at 5:55pm
My intentions were to get the sharp lcd 60 last years model. But the price jumped and looking for a solid another 55/60 inch LCD set when i came across the 60PK550. I always heard of plasmas burn in blah blah blah,etc but the PQ was nice and the slim bezel was really nice. Plus they threw in a LG blu ray player for free. I am crossing my fingers and hope that the plasma holds up over the years ! Any recommendations .... this is my first plasma. Thanks.
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post #343 of 5203
3/27/10 at 7:19pm
I want to correct my previous post that said I saw the flickering on a pk550, I remembered that it was indeed a pk750. I don't know if 'flickering' is exactly the right term for it. It was like during pans or fast motion the edges of objects would kind of break up, like the object was kind of disintegrating. When the motion would stop the rest of the image would reappear. The feed they had on was one of those loops where they play 5 minutes or so from a bunch of movies. You guys are making me doubt myself though, might have to go back to take another look. Could have been a problem with the source, defective set, lots of possibilities. Hopefully other people will chime in with opinions as availability improves.
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post #344 of 5203
3/27/10 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by bcg27 View Post

I want to correct my previous post that said I saw the flickering on a pk550, I remembered that it was indeed a pk750. I don't know if 'flickering' is exactly the right term for it. It was like during pans or fast motion the edges of objects would kind of break up, like the object was kind of disintegrating. When the motion would stop the rest of the image would reappear. The feed they had on was one of those loops where they play 5 minutes or so from a bunch of movies. You guys are making me doubt myself though, might have to go back to take another look. Could have been a problem with the source, defective set, lots of possibilities. Hopefully other people will chime in with opinions as availability improves.

I dont really know much but the tv's do have an option for an edge sharpener. Maybe turning this on or off will affect this
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post #345 of 5203
3/27/10 at 8:59pm
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Originally Posted by bcg27 View Post

I want to correct my previous post that said I saw the flickering on a pk550, I remembered that it was indeed a pk750. I don't know if 'flickering' is exactly the right term for it. It was like during pans or fast motion the edges of objects would kind of break up, like the object was kind of disintegrating. When the motion would stop the rest of the image would reappear. The feed they had on was one of those loops where they play 5 minutes or so from a bunch of movies. You guys are making me doubt myself though, might have to go back to take another look. Could have been a problem with the source, defective set, lots of possibilities. Hopefully other people will chime in with opinions as availability improves.

It must be the source. Direct 24p content looks very smooth on PK550 (thanks to 3:3 pulldown)
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post #346 of 5203
3/27/10 at 10:48pm
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Originally Posted by dumon View Post

It must be the source. Direct 24p content looks very smooth on PK550 (thanks to 3:3 pulldown)

There is definitely less edge flickering with 1080p/24 content, but there is still some, I tested more than one blu ray.

And on 1080p/60 the edge flickering becomes VERY evident and distracting.
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post #347 of 5203
3/28/10 at 2:34am
All,

After reading a lot of comments (also the review of chad) i noticed that there should not be THX on the PK550. However just got the 550 yesterday and THX was not on the box, but suprise, suprise! I can select THX in the settings.
Good news i guess, but i think it looks pretty crappy... Or am i doing something wrong?
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post #348 of 5203
3/28/10 at 5:29am
Ok, so that's two people who say they see edge flickering ... A minority of people can see a refresh rate flicker of 60Hz and some even 72Hz flicker, I wonder if it's that or a couple defective sets. Otherwise I don't know how to explain why Chad B and the other users don't see it.

I've slept on it, I'm going back to Sears (Canada) this morning. I will scrutinize the 550 again. If I see no problems ... (cliche alert) I'm "pulling the trigger."
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post #349 of 5203
3/28/10 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by lits View Post

All,

After reading a lot of comments (also the review of chad) i noticed that there should not be THX on the PK550. However just got the 550 yesterday and THX was not on the box, but suprise, suprise! I can select THX in the settings.
Good news i guess, but i think it looks pretty crappy... Or am i doing something wrong?

550 should not have THX mode in it, and mine does not have it.
Do you have the EU version of 550? Maybe you have a different firmware.
In any case, THX mode is just another preset.
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post #350 of 5203
3/28/10 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by dumon View Post

550 should not have THX mode in it, and mine does not have it.
Do you have the EU version of 550? Maybe you have a different firmware.
In any case, THX mode is just another preset.

Yes i have the EU version.
My issue is that on the THX preset and on the ISF preset the black bars above and below my blu ray movies are not solid black. there are a lot of small green dots flickering in them. these dots do not appear on the "standard" preset?
Very strange??
Maybe somebody knows what this is?
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post #351 of 5203
3/28/10 at 10:25am
If the price is ~ the same, would you recommend the 750 over the 550? Is there much difference?
-chris
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post #352 of 5203
3/28/10 at 10:50am
I just ordered a 50PK550 from Sears (Canada), will be here Thurs. If I still lived in the US I would've bought it from Cleveland Plasma as they have really helped steer me in the direction of this TV.

Some observations about the motion performance of this set while still fresh in my mind. I just saw two 50PK550 units with two different store feeds, one at Best Buy, the other at Sears. I watched the feed at BB then went directly to Sears. I was looking specifically for edge flickering or other motion artifacts on the floor models.

I didn't see anything of the kind, no flickering/artifacting or motion problems as such. However during one part of the Sears feed, doing a comparison of the 50PK550 to a Panasonic 50S14 mounted directly above, I could see that the Panny does a better job with very fast motion at 30fps. The scene was of a ski jumper doing a pirouette in mid-air. I watched this repeatedly and A/Bed the sets. On the 550 there was a slight blurring of the spinning skier whereas on the Panny the skier was clearer and more distinct. For the rest of the Sears feed I thought the sets handled motion equally well.

I think this reflects the fact that the LGs have historically had measurably worse motion res than the more recent Pannys. Last year it was 800-900 lines for the LGs and 1080 (or more, that's all a test exists to measure) for the Pannys. I decided that the slight blurring of the skier on the LG didn't compare to the really grotesque LCD motion blur I have now, and besides the LG motion handling at 24fps is way better due to 72Hz mode (no telecine stutter). Trigger pulled.

Also, no matter how hard I try I can't seem to detect any phosphor trails. I think I may be totally insensible to them. After the set arrives I'll try out the Sin City BD and see if that reveals any trails.
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post #353 of 5203
3/28/10 at 11:28am
Hello,

since people are saying that there are no "edge flickering" issues I decided to post a video showing it and another 2 videos showing other problems as well.

I'm one step from returning this TV, my 2009 Panasonic U1 didn't have any of this problems. Can someone confirm that only my set is having these problems ? I really wish that my unit is defective but it's more likely that they all are.

Edge Flickering on moving objects:
The iPhone camera actually captures it really well despite what I said in the video, it's not worse in real life.
youtube.com/watch?v=Qgu9nut0sVM

Light Bleeding:
youtube.com/watch?v=WMHgcb8igqI

Lag + more Edge flickering:
This issue gets kind of resolved by turning all the image enhancing options off and putting the colors down/making everything less vibrant, but than what's the point of having a good TV ?
The weird change in the brightness is not smooth like it appears, it's actually choppy.
It seems that the TV tries to adjust the brightness when the scene changes dramatically but it's not doing it fast enough, unless you change the options to make the image lifeless and flat, than it's fast.

youtube.com/user/gihadmurad?feature=mhw4#p/a/u/0/U8c5H_rDClI


Please someone comment on this issues, is it possible that I'm expecting too much from the TV ?

There are just too many problems with this TV, I find it so hard to believe that the reviewer didn't notice anything, it must be my set.
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post #354 of 5203
3/28/10 at 12:27pm
i think that's called horizontal line bleed, my set does that.

the edge flickering, kind of hard to tell. its not set to vivid is it?
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post #355 of 5203
3/28/10 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by gihad View Post

Edge Flickering on moving objects:
The iPhone camera actually captures it really well despite what I said in the video, it's not worse in real life.
youtube.com/watch?v=Qgu9nut0sVM

Curious, do you have the Dynamic Contrast setting turned on? A lot of TVs have DC settings with crummy algorithms that result in a non-uniform or laggy contrast bump. I noticed this on a lot of plasma televisions and LCDs at work, and that simply turning off the DC feature gets rid of it.
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post #356 of 5203
3/28/10 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by shaddix View Post

i think that's called horizontal line bleed, my set does that.

the edge flickering, kind of hard to tell. its not set to vivid is it?


Hey,
it does the edge Flickering in every mode, it's worst on vivid tho.

Do you have gears of war 2 ?
Can u go on the level called "jacinto" and see if u have the flickering ?

Thanks!
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post #357 of 5203
3/28/10 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by shaddix View Post

i think that's called horizontal line bleed, my set does that.

the edge flickering, kind of hard to tell. its not set to vivid is it?

If you watch closely he was set to vivid when you see the first set of flickering and that is mostly the problem.
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post #358 of 5203
3/28/10 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by gihad View Post

Hello,

since people are saying that there are no "edge flickering" issues I decided to post a video showing it and another 2 videos showing other problems as well.

I'm one step from returning this TV, my 2009 Panasonic U1 didn't have any of this problems. Can someone confirm that only my set is having these problems ? I really wish that my unit is defective but it's more likely that they all are.

Edge Flickering on moving objects:
The iPhone camera actually captures it really well despite what I said in the video, it's not worse in real life.
youtube.com/watch?v=Qgu9nut0sVM

Light Bleeding:
youtube.com/watch?v=WMHgcb8igqI

Lag + more Edge flickering:
This issue gets kind of resolved by turning all the image enhancing options off and putting the colors down/making everything less vibrant, but than what's the point of having a good TV ?
The weird change in the brightness is not smooth like it appears, it's actually choppy.
It seems that the TV tries to adjust the brightness when the scene changes dramatically but it's not doing it fast enough, unless you change the options to make the image lifeless and flat, than it's fast.

youtube.com/user/gihadmurad?feature=mhw4#p/a/u/0/U8c5H_rDClI


Please someone comment on this issues, is it possible that I'm expecting too much from the TV ?

There are just too many problems with this TV, I find it so hard to believe that the reviewer didn't notice anything, it must be my set.

My two cents:
Lifeless and flat is subjective. Many people find the Vivid setting to be an insult on the eyes and prefer the more subdued Cinema setting.

Try to play wiht the various settings: edge enhancer, dynamic contrast, dynamic color, noise reduction, sharpness.
Also, experiment with the Energy Saving options.

You may also try the Picture Wizard.

The user manual is not the best, but you can find a brief explanation of the different picture presets and adjustments in it.

Regarding the light bleeding, it's called horizontal bleed and every plasma display has this - some less than others.
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post #359 of 5203
3/28/10 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by gihad View Post

Hey,
it does the edge Flickering in every mode, it's worst on vivid tho.

Do you have gears of war 2 ?
Can u go on the level called "jacinto" and see if u have the flickering ?

Thanks!

I have GOW 2. Played it a little the other day up to the part where you do the escort (Betty) and didn' notice anything. I thought Gears looked really sharp. Like i mentione before try the edge ennhancer settings and like somebody else said, try the Dynamic contrast. Right now im Watching the Indy 500 off an antenae and it looks tits!!

BTW anybody got any good calibrations yet? Maybe for games and for Cinema?
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post #360 of 5203
3/28/10 at 3:18pm
That "edge flickering" is clearly some sort of image processing. Turn them all off, they ruin the picture.
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