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post #1081 of 1608
9/18/10 at 1:22pm
Correct. Any of the nVidia 4xx cards should do what you're looking for.
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post #1082 of 1608
9/18/10 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by jidelite View Post

Tom, Thanks for replying... I'm not looking to bitstream with the GT 240, I'm looking to get the 'non-downsampled' rate for BD movies via PDVD10 decoded LPCM. So if a movie has a 24-bit sampling rate, I'm looking for PDVD to say 24-bit and not 16-bit. Sounds like NVIDIA is supporting it so how about PDVD10 under Win7?

jidelite

Jidelite,
I see where the confusion is coming from... http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-visi...uirements.html

I need to confirm that PowerDVD can decode audio to full quality PCM, outputting through HDMI with these cards (including the GT 240).

Tom
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post #1083 of 1608
9/18/10 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by olli66 View Post

so finally it is possible to enjoy real 3d blu-rays with PC! now I have to switch from ATI to NVidia, can someone please tell me where I find a list of cards that have HDMI 1.4 and can output 3d in 1080p?
also I don't understand the audio issue...is it possible now to output audio via the graphic card? I don't need the auzentech $200 card I had in mind?
thanks for clearing things up

The list of cards can be found here. Unless you're a gamer it would be better to wait a month or two for the 430 or lower card, as the 450/460 (the only HDMI 1.4 cards on the list) are really intended for gaming.
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post #1084 of 1608
9/18/10 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by CyberlinkUSA View Post

Jidelite,
I see where the confusion is coming from... http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-visi...uirements.html

I need to confirm that PowerDVD can decode audio to full quality PCM, outputting through HDMI with these cards (including the GT 240).

Tom

... Glad we are on the same page now . Thanks for checking into it.

jidelite
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post #1085 of 1608
9/19/10 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

Correct. Any of the nVidia 4xx cards should do what you're looking for.

I believe only the newer 460 & 450 series can bitstream not the older
470 & 480 series.
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post #1086 of 1608
9/19/10 at 8:21am
I have good news especially for those who can not bitstream over their cards.
I've given it a go with my 460 and with new beta drivers and my 5450 and CCC 10.9 hotfix:

PDVD10 2113.51.

Streaming Uncompressed PCM:

Original PCM is 96/24/2 and 96/24/6:

Output mode: "non decoded high definition audio to external device"

No downsampling, no downmix.



Decoding lossless formats to PCM:

Original THD/DTSHD-MA is 96/24/6:

Output mode: "PCM decoded by PDVD"

No downsampling, no downmix.

(ReClock downmixes in both cases to two channels even it doesn't downsample)

Here is the common SS:






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post #1087 of 1608
9/19/10 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by rickcfer View Post

I believe only the newer 460 & 450 series can bitstream not the older
470 & 480 series.

I was told by NVIDIA, and NVIDIA has posted information on their 3DTV play system requirements page that a wider range of cards will support HDMI bitstreaming of high quality PCM or decoded audio with the R260 driver. I haven't had a chance to verify this myself. I trust that this is true... but I always like to see it working firsthand.

Tom
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post #1088 of 1608
9/19/10 at 2:55pm
This is really weird if you haven't given it a go and seen if it's working firsthand by now

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post #1089 of 1608
9/19/10 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by rickcfer View Post

I believe only the newer 460 & 450 series can bitstream not the older
470 & 480 series.

I stand corrected. Thanks!
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post #1090 of 1608
9/19/10 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by CyberlinkUSA View Post

I was told by NVIDIA, and NVIDIA has posted information on their 3DTV play system requirements page that a wider range of cards will support HDMI bitstreaming of high quality PCM or decoded audio with the R260 driver. I haven't had a chance to verify this myself. I trust that this is true... but I always like to see it working firsthand.

Tom

So what you're saying here if I'm not mistaken is that the older cards, including some of the 2xx series, should be able to do non-downsampled LPCM audio, correct? At least in theory?
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post #1091 of 1608
9/19/10 at 10:38pm
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

So what you're saying here if I'm not mistaken is that the older cards, including some of the 2xx series, should be able to do non-downsampled LPCM audio, correct? At least in theory?

That's what I'm saying.
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post #1092 of 1608
9/20/10 at 5:49am
Great! Thanks, Tom. That should make some people happy if it works.
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post #1093 of 1608
9/20/10 at 11:40pm
@cyberlinkUSA - Hi, quick question - can I bitstream DTS-MA and DD-TrueHD through an ATI 5xxx card?

main goal:

1. playback m2ts and mkv's (currently using a bug-ridden popcorn hour C200)
2. bitstream HD audio via the m2ts files to my pioneer SC-07
3. playback 3D BD ISO / M2TS to (insert upcoming 3D JVC projector here)

can cyberlink be controlled through the '10 foot interface' like Windows 7 Media center?

thanks for the assistance!
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post #1094 of 1608
9/21/10 at 2:41am
Tom,

It would be nice to get some input or help on my issues. I have enough time troubleshooting this stuff, Cyberlink and NVIDIA should hire me.

PDVD build 2113 has many issues for me
No Bit-streaming and 3D
No PCM Decoding of 32bit DTS-Master
So, the only option that works is "Non-Decoded Dolby Digital/DTS audio to external device"

I have tried with the new 260 and 258 Nvidia drivers with the same result.
PDVD 2113 will not initiate the IR transmitter for 3D. The only way to get the ir Transmitter to work is by selecting "120HZ 3D Nvidia display" option, then the shutter on the glasses goes haywire.

I have played with this extensively in every possible combination. I even did a complete erase and clean install of W7 Ultimate 64BIT and just NVIDIA Drivers and PDVD 2113. The exact same issues persist, no change...

Now, I go back to PDVD build 1830 and everything works fine, just no capability of bit-streaming. Again though only way to get 3D is to select the "120HZ Nvidia option" but in this build it works right, with either NVIDIA driver.

My setup:
W7 64Bit Ultimate
HDMI to Onkyo TS-XR805
HDMI from Onkyo to Mitsubishi WD-73738
NVIDIA 3D Vision Glasses and Emitter

3D works perfectly in all games, photos etc.

Any ideas?
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post #1095 of 1608
9/21/10 at 2:42am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

@cyberlinkUSA - Hi, quick question - can I bitstream DTS-MA and DD-TrueHD through an ATI 5xxx card?

main goal:

1. playback m2ts and mkv's (currently using a bug-ridden popcorn hour C200)
2. bitstream HD audio via the m2ts files to my pioneer SC-07
3. playback 3D BD ISO / M2TS to (insert upcoming 3D JVC projector here)

can cyberlink be controlled through the '10 foot interface' like Windows 7 Media center?

thanks for the assistance!

I was doing all of this with a ATI 5450 and PDVD 9 with no issues.
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post #1096 of 1608
9/21/10 at 9:41pm
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Originally Posted by RobertStern View Post

Tom,

It would be nice to get some input or help on my issues. I have enough time troubleshooting this stuff, Cyberlink and NVIDIA should hire me.

PDVD build 2113 has many issues for me
No Bit-streaming and 3D
No PCM Decoding of 32bit DTS-Master
So, the only option that works is "Non-Decoded Dolby Digital/DTS audio to external device"

I have tried with the new 260 and 258 Nvidia drivers with the same result.
PDVD 2113 will not initiate the IR transmitter for 3D. The only way to get the ir Transmitter to work is by selecting "120HZ 3D Nvidia display" option, then the shutter on the glasses goes haywire.

I have played with this extensively in every possible combination. I even did a complete erase and clean install of W7 Ultimate 64BIT and just NVIDIA Drivers and PDVD 2113. The exact same issues persist, no change...

Now, I go back to PDVD build 1830 and everything works fine, just no capability of bit-streaming. Again though only way to get 3D is to select the "120HZ Nvidia option" but in this build it works right, with either NVIDIA driver.

My setup:
W7 64Bit Ultimate
HDMI to Onkyo TS-XR805
HDMI from Onkyo to Mitsubishi WD-73738
NVIDIA 3D Vision Glasses and Emitter

3D works perfectly in all games, photos etc.

Any ideas?

Normally, to output to a DLP 3D TV, you choose "3D Ready TV". This provides a checkerboard output through HDMI. I'll have to ask our engineers to verify this with the 260 drivers.

Tom
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post #1097 of 1608
9/22/10 at 4:07pm
Guys,

What 2** series nVidia cards with new beta 260 drivers and
what 4*** series Ati cards with new 10.9 a hotfix drivers stream PCM without downsampling over PDVD 10 2113?

I need your feedback.

Pls don't use ReClock.

Thx in advance.
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post #1098 of 1608
9/22/10 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by CyberlinkUSA View Post

Normally, to output to a DLP 3D TV, you choose "3D Ready TV". This provides a checkerboard output through HDMI. I'll have to ask our engineers to verify this with the 260 drivers.

Tom

I can't be sure since I'm an ATI guy, but I believe you still have to choose "120Hz Nvidia" in PDVD for DLPs with Nvidia setups, because if you don't, the Nvidia software won't turn on the emitter. I believe you select "120Hz Nvidia" in PDVD, and then select "DLP" in the nvidia software.

I also believe this is how it's done in TMT also.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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post #1099 of 1608
9/22/10 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by taz291819 View Post

I can't be sure since I'm an ATI guy, but I believe you still have to choose "120Hz Nvidia" in PDVD for DLPs with Nvidia setups, because if you don't, the Nvidia software won't turn on the emitter. I believe you select "120Hz Nvidia" in PDVD, and then select "DLP" in the nvidia software.

I also believe this is how it's done in TMT also.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

We have a new 3D display setup dialog in the latest build of PowerDVD (build 2113).

If I recall correctly, for Mitsubishi DLP TVs, the emitter should connect to the 5 pin VESA connector on the TV. If you put the TV in 3D mode, the emitter should be on.

Tom
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post #1100 of 1608
9/22/10 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by CyberlinkUSA View Post

We have a new 3D display setup dialog in the latest build of PowerDVD (build 2113)...

Tom

Still no fix in the new build for dual displays in build 2113. Disappointing, are they ever going to fix it? They broke it in PowerDVD 9 build 2528. Seems really silly not to just fix it.
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post #1101 of 1608
9/22/10 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by ricabullah View Post

Guys,

What 2** series nVidia cards with new beta 260 drivers and
what 4*** series Ati cards with new 10.9 a hotfix drivers stream PCM without downsampling over PDVD 10 2113?

I need your feedback.

Pls don't use ReClock.

Thx in advance.

Still waiting for Cyberlink to confirm but currently I believe none of the nVidia 2** series cards will 'correctly' sample PCM with PDVD 10 2113 & the 260 driver. My GT 240 doesn't but I have no idea who's at fault now - my guess would be PDVD needs another update...

jidelite
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post #1102 of 1608
9/22/10 at 10:46pm
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Originally Posted by jidelite View Post

Still waiting for Cyberlink to confirm but currently I believe none of the nVidia 2** series cards will 'correctly' sample PCM with PDVD 10 2113 & the 260 driver. My GT 240 doesn't but I have no idea who's at fault now - my guess would be PDVD needs another update...

jidelite

Thanks for trying this, and reporting your results. I've been at the NVIDIA GPU Technology conference this week, and I haven't had a chance to confirm this myself. I'll investigate PCM bitstreaming with the GT 240 and other listed NVIDIA cards with the appropriate engineers.

Tom
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post #1103 of 1608
9/22/10 at 10:48pm
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Originally Posted by Tanquen View Post

Still no fix in the new build for dual displays in build 2113. Disappointing, are they ever going to fix it? They broke it in PowerDVD 9 build 2528. Seems really silly not to just fix it.

Thanks for the reminder, and the feedback. I'll check into this again.

Tom
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post #1104 of 1608
9/22/10 at 11:49pm
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Originally Posted by CyberlinkUSA View Post

We have a new 3D display setup dialog in the latest build of PowerDVD (build 2113).

If I recall correctly, for Mitsubishi DLP TVs, the emitter should connect to the 5 pin VESA connector on the TV. If you put the TV in 3D mode, the emitter should be on.

Tom

This is correct, but the emitter also connects to the computer thru USB, which controls the emitter turning it on and off.

So, there is the 5 Pin VESA connector and the USB connector.
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post #1105 of 1608
9/22/10 at 11:50pm
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Originally Posted by taz291819 View Post

I can't be sure since I'm an ATI guy, but I believe you still have to choose "120Hz Nvidia" in PDVD for DLPs with Nvidia setups, because if you don't, the Nvidia software won't turn on the emitter. I believe you select "120Hz Nvidia" in PDVD, and then select "DLP" in the nvidia software.

I also believe this is how it's done in TMT also.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

This is right, its the only way it will work right .
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post #1106 of 1608
9/23/10 at 5:37am
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Originally Posted by CyberlinkUSA View Post

Thanks for the reminder, and the feedback. I'll check into this again.

Tom

Speaking of reminders, were you ever able to find out if PDVD9 is going to be updated for nVidia bitstreaming? Thanks!
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post #1107 of 1608
9/23/10 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by RobertStern View Post

This is correct, but the emitter also connects to the computer thru USB, which controls the emitter turning it on and off.

So, there is the 5 Pin VESA connector and the USB connector.

Just whos emitter are you talking about? If you have a Mits emitter attached to your Mits DLP there is no USB connector. When you set the TV to 3d that should enable the Mits Emitter! I think this is must be a conversation where both sides are correct they are just talking past each other. I will soon be able to verify the functionality with Mits gear.

Unfortunately I can't verify any of this yet but should be able to in a few days. I have the Mits emitter and I have the latest Cyberlink Build installed. I need an Nvidia graphics card and some content to play. Glasses and content should be here very soon.
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post #1108 of 1608
9/23/10 at 7:36pm
Am I misunderstanding the issue with Nvidia drivers and PowerDVD.. back to the issue of emitters. Why if a checkerboard pattern image is sent to a Mits DLP would you need any emitter at all if say you have DLP link glasses? Or if you have the Mitsubishi emitter why should there be any interaction between the driver and an emitter as the Mits set is going to turn off and on the emitter in synch with its internal housekeeping as it builds eye half frame?

Is this only some concern when you are using the nVidia glasses and emitter?
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post #1109 of 1608
9/24/10 at 11:18am
hi guys, today I bought myself the auzentech Hometheater HD soundcard and I have one big problem: I do not get DTS-master and Dolby True HD audio to work (and that was the main reason why I upgraded from the Prelude card!), I get sound over HDMI and in Powerdvd latest version my AV receiver (Marantz SR 7005 capable of all new formats) even shows the names of DTS master and True HD in the display but there is no sound at all! I selected in Powerdvd to output HD sound to external device, when I select output to Dolby Digital/DTS I get downsampled sound when playing a DTS master or Dolby True HD track
any advice for me?
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post #1110 of 1608
9/24/10 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

Am I misunderstanding the issue with Nvidia drivers and PowerDVD.. back to the issue of emitters. Why if a checkerboard pattern image is sent to a Mits DLP would you need any emitter at all if say you have DLP link glasses? Or if you have the Mitsubishi emitter why should there be any interaction between the driver and an emitter as the Mits set is going to turn off and on the emitter in synch with its internal housekeeping as it builds eye half frame?

Is this only some concern when you are using the nVidia glasses and emitter?


I am using the Nvidia 3d vision kit emitter and glasses.
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