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post #1111 of 1609
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Originally Posted by RobertStern View Post

I am using the Nvidia 3d vision kit emitter and glasses.

Just trying to keep things straight before I plunk down for an Nvidia 3d capable graphics card. My $29 ATI HD5450 bitstreams HD audio perfectly and works like a champ. I am loathe to spend the money on Nvidia that can do 3d and bitstream, only to then find a Mits 3d ready DLP does not work with a Mits emitter and glasses with Cyberlink. As it is the GTS 450 is wasy too much card and too much money. I am trying to hold out for a 430 but who knows when that would be. I am obsessive about power consumption so I would just drop the whole thing and buy a Mits 3d adapter and use my PS3 on the rare occasion I have 3d content if this gets too complicated.
post #1112 of 1609
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

Just trying to keep things straight before I plunk down for an Nvidia 3d capable graphics card. My $29 ATI HD5450 bitstreams HD audio perfectly and works like a champ. I am loathe to spend the money on Nvidia that can do 3d and bitstream, only to then find a Mits 3d ready DLP does not work with a Mits emitter and glasses with Cyberlink. As it is the GTS 450 is wasy too much card and too much money. I am trying to hold out for a 430 but who knows when that would be. I am obsessive about power consumption so I would just drop the whole thing and buy a Mits 3d adapter and use my PS3 on the rare occasion I have 3d content if this gets too complicated.



I had a ati 5450 as well and worked perfecty. This NVIDIA / Cyberlink deal has been too much trouble in my opinion and I have contemplated basically doing the same thing you are suggesting. (PS3) As NVIDIA/Cyberlink with 3D and bitstreaming is not possible with a Mits DLP at this point.

I would say hold off for a while.
post #1113 of 1609
OK,

I gave it a go with a 240 today.

New beta drivers never accept HD bitstreaming but just PCM streaming.
This SS shows us drivers accept 96/24/8 PCM streaming: (but only SD bitstreaming)



Compare with 460:



Trial Results:

PCM Streaming:

Original is 96/24/6 PCM

PDVD10:

Without ReClock:
Downsamples to 48/16, mixer interferes.

With ReClock:
Doesn't downsample but downmixes to two channels, mixer doesn't interfere.

MPC-HC/ffdshow:

Without or with ReClock:
Doesn't downsample, doesn't downmix. (Mixer interferes without ReClock)


THD/DTSHD-MA to PCM decoding:

Original is 96/24/6 THD/DTSHD-MA

PDVD10:

Without ReClock:
Downsamples to 48/16
Mixer interferes.

With ReClock:
Doesn't downsample but downmixes to two channels, mixer doesn't interfere.

MPC-HC/ffdshow: (just tested with THD since DTSHD-MA can not be decoded for now by ffdshow)

Without or with ReClock:
Doesn't downsample, doesn't downmix. (Mixer interferes without ReClock)

Who wants to compare with 460 test results, may have a look at here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=465

Finally:

nVidia doesn't allow to bitstream HD formats over 2** series. The same drivers allow new 460 and lower series to do this.

Drivers btw allow 2** series streaming PCM as 96/24/8.

But PDVD10 downsamples 96/24 to 48/16 with 2** series cards while it can stream as is on 4** series cards. (In both cases ReClock with PDVD downmixes to 2 channels?)

PDVD10 doesn't have the third option with 2** series cards.

MPC-HC can stream with or without ReClock as is; without downsampling with both GPUs.

So PDVD10 must update asap.


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post #1114 of 1609
Thanks, Rica! Stellar analysis as always.
post #1115 of 1609
You're welcome and thanks a lot for your compliment.
I hope someday somebody will hack those drivers
post #1116 of 1609
That'd be nice, but, if they get PCM bitstreaming (aka non-downsampled, exclusive mode PCM audio) then it's fairly irrelevant. They'll have all they need.
post #1117 of 1609
Normally 2** series must bitstream but drivers don't allow this.
HW is Ok for bitstreaming but they don't give permission to access bitsreaming.
I bet we gonna see 2** series nVidia and 4*** series Ati in bitsreaming HD lossless audio.
What i need to see this is possible before they sell their new generation cards sufficiently.
post #1118 of 1609
As we've discussed, we'd definitely need some hacked drivers for that. It's beyond my capability for sure.
post #1119 of 1609
I suppose vladd is the guy who is able to do this?
post #1120 of 1609
Maybe. I know he looked into it with the 4xxx cards before and wasn't able to get anywhere. Albain found that the driver refuses the bitstream types but no one's been able to convince it to accept them. Of course this would never work with something like PDVD or any other commercial player, but, in theory it'd work elsewhere. Not really the appropriate thread for that. I'd be happy if PDVD10 could get the PCM bitstreaming working for the nVidia 2xx guys and gals. I'm very pleased with the bitstreaming on my new 450. I really like that card a lot.
post #1121 of 1609
I hope Cyberlink will fix that for 2** seres cards.
post #1122 of 1609
Can somebody please post the High Definition Audio Device Hardware ID of the 460 Bitstreaming card? I'll try to mod the HD Audio driver.
post #1123 of 1609
maybe off-topic, no Powerdvd problem as it seems...I can't play DTS-master and Dolby True HD audio tracks (everything set up right! in powerdvd I chose "HD audio output to external device)
my Marantz SR 7005 receiver is capable of the new audio formats!
I have a HDCP graphic card and cyberlink blu-ray advisor says everything is okay
I have the Auzentech HD soundcard and via HDMI in my settings it says "HDCP not supported" and I can only select two speakers and highest possible bitrate is 96kHz
I do not get HDCP, 192kHz and multichannel
I searched the internet endlessly, no solutions...
can anyone help?
post #1124 of 1609
Can you tell us how do you connect the cards to each other and what is your graphic card?
post #1125 of 1609
I have a ATI RAdeaon HD 3850 with two dvi outputs, right now I have only one connected via DVI to HDMI cable to my soundcard
and my soundcard via hdmi to my receiver
tomorrow I get a NVIDIA GT 240 card because I want to be eble to playback 3d movies with HDMI 1.4
is it possible that my graphic card is causing the problem?
post #1126 of 1609
Lets give it a go:

First trial:
Uninstall Ati drivers and clean the remainings with DriverSweeper.
Reboot.
Uninstall azun drivers.
Reboot.
Reinstall Azun drivers.
Reboot.
Reinstall ati drivers but don't select "express"; select "custom" and untick Ati HDMI Sound driver.
Reboot.
Tick playback devices you should see "Marantz AVAMP": Select this and configure it.

Second Trial:

If it doesn't work:
Disconnect DVI to HDMI cable from your Azun.
Disconnect HDMI caable (coming from AVR) from TV.
Connect DVI to HDMI cable (from graphic card) to TV.
Start PC.
Switch of PC.
Connect HDMI out of Azun to your AVR's HDMI in.
Restart your PC.

You should see two monitors.

The main monitor should be seen as like" Philips TV"
And the secondary monitor will be "Marantz" select it under playing devices and configure.
post #1127 of 1609
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Originally Posted by olli66 View Post

tomorrow I get a NVIDIA GT 240 card because I want to be eble to playback 3d movies with HDMI 1.4
is it possible that my graphic card is causing the problem?

For HDMI 1.4 and bitstreaming capability, for the time being you have two options:

1) 460
2) 450....

240 doesn't bitstream at all.

Check out:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1113
post #1128 of 1609
thanks, will try it out!
I don't mind if my new graphic card can't bitstream audio, therefore I have my soundcard, right?
I just want the new graphic card for full hd 3d blu-ray playback
am I missing something? do I need a 450 or 460 in addition?
post #1129 of 1609
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Originally Posted by olli66 View Post

thanks, will try it out!
I don't mind if my new graphic card can't bitstream audio, therefore I have my soundcard, right?
I just want the new graphic card for full hd 3d blu-ray playback
am I missing something? do I need a 450 or 460 in addition?

You're fine, the 240 is on the list of cards that support 3D playback. Won't bit stream HD audio, but it does support multi-channel LPCM.
post #1130 of 1609
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Originally Posted by olli66 View Post

thanks, will try it out!
I don't mind if my new graphic card can't bitstream audio, therefore I have my soundcard, right?
I just want the new graphic card for full hd 3d blu-ray playback
am I missing something? do I need a 450 or 460 in addition?

No.
post #1131 of 1609
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Originally Posted by RobertStern View Post

I had a ati 5450 as well and worked perfecty. This NVIDIA / Cyberlink deal has been too much trouble in my opinion and I have contemplated basically doing the same thing you are suggesting. (PS3) As NVIDIA/Cyberlink with 3D and bitstreaming is not possible with a Mits DLP at this point.

I would say hold off for a while.

This confuses the heck out of me. If Cyberlink can ouput 3d in checkerboard that should be all that is required. No Mits 3d adapter and no emitter even necesary if you have DLP Link glasses. This should literally be the easiest thing for Cyberlink to do and since there are 8 zillion 3d ready DLPs for every other 3d TV around I just don't get it.

Tom with Cyberlink can you clarify on this?
post #1132 of 1609
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

This confuses the heck out of me. If Cyberlink can ouput 3d in checkerboard that should be all that is required. No Mits 3d adapter and no emitter even necesary if you have DLP Link glasses. This should literally be the easiest thing for Cyberlink to do and since there are 8 zillion 3d ready DLPs for every other 3d TV around I just don't get it.

Tom with Cyberlink can you clarify on this?



Again, I will say.. I am using the NVIDIA 3D Vision Kit, with the NVIDIA Emitter and NVIDIA Glasses. This all worked fine with the previous Cyberlink PDVD 10MKii. After Cyberlink and NVIDIA updated their drivers on 9/14 to enable bitstreaming, everything went to hell.

So, if I don't want bitstreaming I can get it to work with the previous driver version and previous PDVD version. But no HD Audio...

There is a problem on both NVIDIA's end and Cyberlink, so neither one is 100% responsible.
post #1133 of 1609
Today, I set up Cyberlink 10 to run in checkerboard mode going to my 2009 Mits DLP.. It was ahem an interesting experience. I have a low end core duo - E4500 2.2 and a Radeon HD5450. It would not work through my DVDO Duo video processor as apparenty Cyberlink or the AMD driver decides if they don't see a 3d ready EDID they are going to crash if you try to play a 3d BD, maybe even blow up the display driver which they did for me this afternoon. After much fretting that windows was broken I ended up with the 10.9A Hotfix. Well it will work sort of, if you are going directly to the TV.. of course you won't be able to bitsream there now would you?

Anyway the long and short of it is, tehnically it works, but the frame is quite low and it is very jerky. It pegged both cpu cores. So I don't what if anything the GPU is actually doing. Clearly an E4500 is no rocket ship, but since it is really only doing twice as many frames the gpu and cpu should easily be able to handle the work load. I tried to overclock the beast to see if that made any difference but apparently my cpu is locked as changing system board settings did not change the actual cpu multiplier

At first when I read you could do 3d with Cyberlink in checkerboard with an AMD 5000 family gpu I was all excited.. not so excited right now as I don't really know how much more of what is required to actually pull this off. Would a higher powered ATI card do anything or is alll cpu? If it all cpu, I really think you would have to have at least double the CPU not to stutter.
post #1134 of 1609
Back to my HDCP and HD AUDIO problem but first of @ricabullah : thanks for all your tips!!
Though I still couldn't get HD audio to work with my Auzentech Home Theater HD card connected to my Marantz SR 7005 which is capable of the new formats.
Today I received my new graphic card. A silent Geforce GT 240. It took me three hours to setup 3d in PowerDVD. I experienced lots of problems. One being to output to two displays but only to the main display with actual picture data.
I have a Panasonic 3D TV set. I now have my graphic card via HDMI connected directly to my TV. And I use the DVD-HDMI adapter from Auzentech to connect my graphic card with my soundcard. And my sound card is connected via HDMI to my receiver.
I now have sound and video. BUT STILL NO HIGH DEFINITION SOUND. And I can't find out why. I tried everyhting.
When I play a blu-ray with DTS master or Dolby True HD PowerDVD makes no sound at all (I chose "output HD audio to external device" in PowerDVD). When I have a Dolby TrueHD track it shows in my AVR's display but no sound! The DTS master does not show at all.
WinDVD has no option to output HD audio. It downsamples when I play HD audio tracks.
And this after I went through all suggestions and guides how to setup my soundcard. So I guess it will not work for me :-(
By the way: Still no reply from Auzentech support!

On the way I encountered some more issues. WinDVD automatically switches to 24p when playing back a blu-ray disc. PowerDVD stays in 60hz mode. So the playback is not smooth? And frame rate is changed?
Can I "fix" this? Also does anyone know how I can see in which frame rate mkvs should run?
Also in WinDVD I do not get 3d playback to work at all. I selected "HDMI 1.4". And the option 2d to 3d I cannot check at all...

But now the biggest bugger for me: I don't understand anything anymore right now. Few minutes ago I just wanted to play a blu-ray and now it says "PowerDVD is not able to play back the protected content on your digital output device".
I didn't change a thing and I was always able to play back blu-rays. Never ever experienced a problem and now this...I am really losing it....
20 minutes later: Got it back to work. Don't know if this way the issue but I changed my refresh rate in windows back from 60 to 59 frames. What the F**k was that? Was this the problem?

My NVIDIA controlpanel still says my graphic card and display are HDCP ready. Cyberlink blu-ray advisor now says my system is not HDCP ready. But now blu-rays play again...

I am so confused. I now spent three full days on this whole thing :-(

Maybe there is still something that can be tried?

Thanks again for any help or suggestions along my way to build a HDCP which is capable of all video and audio standards...
post #1135 of 1609
I also had issues with 3D and selecting HD audio output in pdvd and then got no sound. Turned off 3D and sound worked.

I hate to say, but it looks like we are at the beginning of this. I can remember the days and hours spent trying to get hd audio bitstreamed from the ATI cards.

Good luck
post #1136 of 1609
Well, I don't only have a problem with 3d and HD audio. On normal blu-rays it doesn't work either :-(
post #1137 of 1609
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

Anyway the long and short of it is, tehnically it works, but the frame is quite low and it is very jerky. It pegged both cpu cores. So I don't what if anything the GPU is actually doing. Clearly an E4500 is no rocket ship, but since it is really only doing twice as many frames the gpu and cpu should easily be able to handle the work load. I tried to overclock the beast to see if that made any difference but apparently my cpu is locked as changing system board settings did not change the actual cpu multiplier

At first when I read you could do 3d with Cyberlink in checkerboard with an AMD 5000 family gpu I was all excited.. not so excited right now as I don't really know how much more of what is required to actually pull this off. Would a higher powered ATI card do anything or is alll cpu? If it all cpu, I really think you would have to have at least double the CPU not to stutter.

I'm running an E6600 overclocked to 3.2Ghz, with a ATI HD2900XT (software decode only). I don't have many problems with stuttering. When I do, I simply hit "pause", wait 3 seconds, then resume, and the stuttering goes away.

Instead of upgrading your graphics card, upgrade the CPU, it may even be cheaper.

I wouldn't upgrade graphics cards until everything settles, especially if you go ATI. I don't believe any current ATI cards have hardware acceleration for 3D BD with PDVD yet.
post #1138 of 1609
post #1139 of 1609
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Originally Posted by olli66 View Post

Well, I don't only have a problem with 3d and HD audio. On normal blu-rays it doesn't work either :-(

Olli66, if you are at home, i have half an hour before sleeping.
Are you ready to give it a go?
post #1140 of 1609
ricabullah, thanks for offering me your assistance, but it is way too late now, in Germany it is 1:30 am, really have to go to bed now :-(
one more thing: is it maybe possible to fix my problem with this "EDID" thingy?
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