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post #271 of 1608
Tom-
Another thing regarding Cyberlink Powerdvd Ultra 10- It seems like we are finally approaching the era of managed copy. Cyberlink put out a press release at CES time talking about it this year:

http://www.cyberlink.com/prog/compan...nt.do?pid=2309

Any idea when we will see this? I know this is something that is completely out of your hands, but a rough estimate or any thoughts from you guys would be appreciated.

I managed copy were actually implemented to make a Kaliedescape -like blu-ray server, I would be absolutely ecstatic and i would complain-no-more.

If implemented reasonably (let us skip whatever previews and warnings and crap we wanted, mimic the Kaliedescape in functionality and convenience) it would completely satisfy my desire for a working media jukebox.

Hear that movie studios? It ain't about piracy for most of us- most of us hate f'ing hate pirates!
post #272 of 1608
Finally I managed to make a scritp bat and fill command positions the cursor at the center of the screen.
This way when the script launches PowerDVD bat with the full screen and the cursor is positioned at the center of the screen allows the top and bottom bars disappear.





Code:
@echo off
cls
start "" "%programfiles%\\CyberLink\\PowerDVD10\\PowerDVD10.exe" /FULLSCREEN
start "" "CursorMove.exe"
exit
I attach the file you place your cursor at the center of the screen

 

CursorMove.zip 196.8115234375k . file
post #273 of 1608
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

Tom-
Another thing regarding Cyberlink Powerdvd Ultra 10- It seems like we are finally approaching the era of managed copy. Cyberlink put out a press release at CES time talking about it this year:

http://www.cyberlink.com/prog/compan...nt.do?pid=2309

Any idea when we will see this? I know this is something that is completely out of your hands, but a rough estimate or any thoughts from you guys would be appreciated.

I managed copy were actually implemented to make a Kaliedescape -like blu-ray server, I would be absolutely ecstatic and i would complain-no-more.

If implemented reasonably (let us skip whatever previews and warnings and crap we wanted, mimic the Kaliedescape in functionality and convenience) it would completely satisfy my desire for a working media jukebox.

Hear that movie studios? It ain't about piracy for most of us- most of us hate f'ing hate pirates!

Hi Ian,
Yes... we were demonstrating a preview of our Managed Copy solution at CES. It's in the pipeline, for sure... although I don't have an ETA for you. Support for Managed Copy is mandatory for every BD title, so it should be a great solution. We're definitely excited to bring it to you.

Tom
post #274 of 1608
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Originally Posted by CyberlinkUSA View Post

Hi Ian,
Yes... we were demonstrating a preview of our Managed Copy solution at CES. It's in the pipeline, for sure... although I don't have an ETA for you. Support for Managed Copy is mandatory for every BD title, so it should be a great solution. We're definitely excited to bring it to you.

Tom

This will be a tough question. Will managed copy functionality be retro-fitted to PDVD9? Or will it only be added to PDVD10?
post #275 of 1608
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Originally Posted by CyberlinkUSA View Post

Hi Ian,
Yes... we were demonstrating a preview of our Managed Copy solution at CES. It's in the pipeline, for sure... although I don't have an ETA for you. Support for Managed Copy is mandatory for every BD title, so it should be a great solution. We're definitely excited to bring it to you.

Tom

WOW! Can you describe the demo? How it works? What we will be able to copy? Etc.?
post #276 of 1608
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Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

WOW! Can you describe the demo? How it works? What we will be able to copy? Etc.?

You aren't going to like this very much. Managed Copy implementation is up to whoever authors the disc. So, what can be copied, if there's a cost associated with doing it, etc is up to the mfg, not the player implementation. The player simply follows the standard to allow the disc's managed copy feature to work. This is my understanding, anyway. I'm sure Tom will correct me if I'm off base here. And yes, you read that right, there could be a price to pay for using the MC feature. They never claimed it'd be free...only that it'd be required for each disc.
post #277 of 1608
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

You aren't going to like this very much. Managed Copy implementation is up to whoever authors the disc. So, what can be copied, if there's a cost associated with doing it, etc is up to the mfg, not the player implementation. The player simply follows the standard to allow the disc's managed copy feature to work. This is my understanding, anyway. I'm sure Tom will correct me if I'm off base here. And yes, you read that right, there could be a price to pay for using the MC feature. They never claimed it'd be free...only that it'd be required for each disc.

Yeah, I know... but I see all kinds of lawsuits based around the idea of some manufacturers doing it one way and some doing it another... and I think the market will sort out the fees issue.

i guess I just think it needs to come out and let things work out.
post #278 of 1608
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Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

Yeah, I know... but I see all kinds of lawsuits based around the idea of some manufacturers doing it one way and some doing it another... and I think the market will sort out the fees issue.

i guess I just think it needs to come out and let things work out.

I just don't think we have nearly enough info to see how this is really going to work yet. Last I knew it was a pretty "vague" standard to begin with and left a lot of things up to whoever authored the disc. This should be fun. If it proves useful, great, so much the better. At least then we'd have an officially supported way to make our HTPC's useful. But we'll have to wait and see.
post #279 of 1608
Can anybody please help me?

I cannot play any mkv file with the latest PowerDVD 10 Ultra.
It says Cyberlink PowerDVD does not support the playback of this media format.

What's wrong?

They are encoded in h.264
post #280 of 1608
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Originally Posted by Grendel007 View Post

Can anybody please help me?

I cannot play any mkv file with the latest PowerDVD 10 Ultra.
It says Cyberlink PowerDVD does not support the playback of this media format.

What's wrong?

They are encoded in h.264

umm...."It says Cyberlink PowerDVD does not support the playback of this media format"

What part of does not support is unclear?
post #281 of 1608
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Originally Posted by kapone View Post

umm...."It says Cyberlink PowerDVD does not support the playback of this media format"

What part of does not support is unclear?

And Avsforum has another 1 post account....
post #282 of 1608
Tom-
Can you confirm at least, with regards to the managed copy thing, that the basic concept is to copy the media to the hard drive, and that it is in fact coming, hopefully this year? Or just elaborate on anything you know about managed copy?
post #283 of 1608
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Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

Tom-
Can you confirm at least, with regards to the managed copy thing, that the basic concept is to copy the media to the hard drive, and that it is in fact coming, hopefully this year? Or just elaborate on anything you know about managed copy?

While we wait for Tom...


Managed copy gives me the shudders. Literally. And we thought music DRM was bad, with companies turning off servers and customers not being able to renew their "licenses". And now here comes "managed" copy, which will supposedly do a better job.

Don't the studios GET it?? People go for "pirated/unauthorized" copies, because the freaking studios won't allow the customers to make a copy int he first place! Fair use be damned. Remember the latest verdict on Real and their DVD copying software? Same ol crap as it was 10 years ago. They are selling technology that breakes the "licensed" encryption.

Well, duh, that's the point. Who gives two hoots about the damn encryption?? It's been broken since DVD came out, and it is 110% counter productive (legit or illegitimate reasons). There can't be any other industry where when you buy something...wait for it...it's NOT yours! You can't do what you want with it. What if BMW (or Honda or GM or whatever) had put "encryption" on their cars, and say you can drive it as it came from the factory, but you can't change the headunit. What? I paid for a damn movie, whether I want to pop it into my player or rip it to my HDD is MY prerogative, NOT the studios. The "cost" of that movie is what covers their production cost, as far the consumer is concerned.

Beyond that "cost" I should be able to whatever the **ck I want with it. Now, of course that also means that assuming there was no encryption of licensing or what not in the disk in the first place, then anybody can rip it and share it freely, either over the web, or make physical copies and give it to friends and family. Guess what? It gets done ANYWAY! But more importantly, if the damn movie was $5 int he first place, without the freaking overhead built in and making the cost $25, then guess what? Most people would just go out and buy the damn movie than looking for an illegitimate copy.

Do they realize that the average joe has no clue what ********** or P2p is? They don't WANT to download illegitimate stuff, but since the studios make it difficult for them to use their legitimate stuff, hence they go out.

The studios need to get their heads examined.



Sorry.

Edit: Oh, c'mon AVS, you're censoring bitfreakintorrent now??
post #284 of 1608
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grendel007 View Post

Can anybody please help me?

I cannot play any mkv file with the latest PowerDVD 10 Ultra.
It says Cyberlink PowerDVD does not support the playback of this media format.

What's wrong?

They are encoded in h.264

Welcome to AVSForum Grendel007! Shields up! Helmet on.

The helpful folks who frequent the AVSForum would need more details about your MKV file to help you figure out why PowerDVD 10 couldn't play it. Certainly PowerDVD 10 supports the MKV container format. PowerDVD 10 supports the widest range of video codecs and profiles, and audio codecs. We would need to know more about the way your MKV file was created, and the details of the video and audio (picture size, frame rate, frame type, bit rate, codec, profile, audio codec, # audio channels, etc.) to have a chance to help you.

Tom
Cyberlink
post #285 of 1608
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

Tom-
Can you confirm at least, with regards to the managed copy thing, that the basic concept is to copy the media to the hard drive, and that it is in fact coming, hopefully this year? Or just elaborate on anything you know about managed copy?

It's too early for me to provide any details on Cyberlink's plans. We've just launched PowerDVD 10, and the next release will be PowerDVD 10 Mark II. I wouldn't want to steal their thunder.

I know that support for a Managed Copy of a Blu-ray disc is mandatory. As others have pointed out, it is up to the studio as to how many free Managed Copies you could make from your Blu-ray disc, and what the cost would be to make a Managed Copy from a disc that you rent.

I certainly don't want to get into a philosophical debate / discussion about the pros and cons of digital rights management. It's off topic for this thread. I would observe that content owners understand the benefits of offering their paying customers more convenience (such as including the rights to a free digital copy with a physical disc). No customer appreciates when DRM gets in the way of their legitimate enjoyment of the content that they paid for (whether they rented or purchased the content). The goal is to offer convenience without the "protection mechanism" getting in the way. I think that Blu-ray Managed Copy holds a lot of promise for giving legitimate paying customers more flexibility and convenience. I'll have more to say at the appropriate time.

Tom
post #286 of 1608
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Originally Posted by CyberlinkUSA View Post

The goal is to offer convenience without the "protection mechanism" getting in the way. I think that Blu-ray Managed Copy holds a lot of promise for giving legitimate paying customers more flexibility and convenience. I'll have more to say at the appropriate time.

Tom

C'mon Tom...the GOAL is money, plain and simple. If I buy a movie, I can't even make a copy of it on another DVD, "legitimately", just because I have small children, and they like to shove disks where they do not belong? If I damage the original disk, the only recourse is to pay for the movie again. That's ...I don't even know the word for it. Utterly, completely, without a doubt, STUPID?

But, that's not YOUR fault. That's a rant against the studios. I'll shut my trap about that now. Sorry for that.
post #287 of 1608
Quote:
Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

If implemented reasonably (let us skip whatever previews and warnings and crap we wanted, mimic the Kaliedescape in functionality and convenience) it would completely satisfy my desire for a working media jukebox.

Hear that movie studios? It ain't about piracy for most of us- most of us hate f'ing hate pirates!

Ironically, your desire to skip the previews that subsidize the cost of the discs means you have a lot in common with pirates you f'ing hate.
post #288 of 1608
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Originally Posted by Eagle784 View Post

Ironically, your desire to skip the previews that subsidize the cost of the discs means you have a lot in common with pirates you f'ing hate.

You're kidding, right?

"Pirates" in the most serious sense, are circumventing DRM to knocking off and distributing thousands, tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of illegal copies of movies.

The schlub who pays real money to purchase and watch the movie legitimately in their own home is not depriving the studios of any income, trailers or not.

Avatar is being released with no trailers apparently...
post #289 of 1608
Typically trailers on dvds are simply promotions by the SAME studio and render little revenue for the "dvd".

Comparing skipping trailers to pirating is like saying if you dont eat everything on the buffet your are ripping off the restaurant. Yes, it's THAT silly. If you still feel that way, we will assume you do not have a DVR and watch EVERY commercial with baited breathe so as to feel more worthy.
post #290 of 1608
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Originally Posted by CyberlinkUSA View Post

Welcome to AVSForum Grendel007! Shields up! Helmet on.

The helpful folks who frequent the AVSForum would need more details about your MKV file to help you figure out why PowerDVD 10 couldn't play it. Certainly PowerDVD 10 supports the MKV container format. PowerDVD 10 supports the widest range of video codecs and profiles, and audio codecs. We would need to know more about the way your MKV file was created, and the details of the video and audio (picture size, frame rate, frame type, bit rate, codec, profile, audio codec, # audio channels, etc.) to have a chance to help you.

Tom
Cyberlink

Thank you for warm welcome

I have managed to solve the problem. It works. I had some codecs conflicts.

Now, I cannot load external subtitles. I changed the subtitles format to srt and put it in the same folder with the same name as the movie but it doesn't load.

The film has built in subs but I'd like to add external.
Is it possible?

Is it possible to change the size of subtitles in mkv movies?

I will greatly appreciate any help.
post #291 of 1608
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Originally Posted by Eagle784 View Post

Ironically, your desire to skip the previews that subsidize the cost of the discs means you have a lot in common with pirates you f'ing hate.



I guess that because I don't use the CD player in my car that means I have a lot in common with car thieves too. I have never based a movie choice on a preview from a disc.
post #292 of 1608
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Originally Posted by Eagle784 View Post

Ironically, your desire to skip the previews that subsidize the cost of the discs means you have a lot in common with pirates you f'ing hate.

Occasionally I read posts that indicate either the poster is being sarcastic, is fundamentally stupid, or is not knowledgeable of the facts surrounding what they have posted. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it is the last one.

Movie trailers are typically put on the disk by the movie studio releasing the movie on the disk you are watching. That is simply annoying advertising. I it is a trailer from another studio, the fee charged for the trailers to run would not be a significant amount. Also, the cost of the disk production and distribution is miniscule compared to the retail cost. Finally, DVD sales are extremely profitable for movie studios, often pushing a movie well in to the profitable realm even if it bombed at the box office.

I supposed you could be a dumbazz movie studio exec who is out of touch with reality. Or maybe a pirate screwing up the enjoyment of disks for everyone else. Either way, you are wrong and your post is offensively stupid.
post #293 of 1608
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Originally Posted by harvey13matt View Post

Great to see Cyberlink in the forum. My question is has there been any movment on bumping DTS-HD Master Audio up to 7.1 channel in the new version of PowerDVD or is it still limited to 5.1 channel? The new 3D functionality is great but not supported yet by any Blu-Rays on the market, where as 7.1 channel DTS-HD MA audio is....

Or is there a technical reason I missed that this has not been included in the past and wont be inclused in the future?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

According to the website it still only supports 5.1. My guess is there hasn't been any change to the audio codecs between PDVD9 and 10. I guess this is another argument in the case FOR bitstreaming.

Is it working via bitstreaming? Has anyone got 7.1 channel DTS-MA working in any version of PowerDVD? And if so what did you use to put the audio out, Radeon 5800 card or a Auzentech X-Fi HomeTheater HD. I assume those are the only two options?

Still don't understand what the big issue with adding the extra two channels is? Again how about working on this before adding 3D stuff that will not have media supporting it until later in the year
post #294 of 1608
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Originally Posted by CyberlinkUSA View Post

It's too early for me to provide any details on Cyberlink's plans. We've just launched PowerDVD 10, and the next release will be PowerDVD 10 Mark II. I wouldn't want to steal their thunder.

I know that support for a Managed Copy of a Blu-ray disc is mandatory. As others have pointed out, it is up to the studio as to how many free Managed Copies you could make from your Blu-ray disc, and what the cost would be to make a Managed Copy from a disc that you rent.

I certainly don't want to get into a philosophical debate / discussion about the pros and cons of digital rights management. It's off topic for this thread. I would observe that content owners understand the benefits of offering their paying customers more convenience (such as including the rights to a free digital copy with a physical disc). No customer appreciates when DRM gets in the way of their legitimate enjoyment of the content that they paid for (whether they rented or purchased the content). The goal is to offer convenience without the "protection mechanism" getting in the way. I think that Blu-ray Managed Copy holds a lot of promise for giving legitimate paying customers more flexibility and convenience. I'll have more to say at the appropriate time.

Tom

OK very cool... if you wanted to... you could tell us... when that "appropriate time" might be.... but I know you can't...

Well, it gives me some hope for the future. Personally, i rarely rent a disk- i just buy it. even if its one o those stupid vampire movies my wife wants to watch.

Waiting... hoping... for managed copy.

Thanks for the input Tom.
post #295 of 1608
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Originally Posted by harvey13matt View Post

Is it working via bitstreaming? Has anyone got 7.1 channel DTS-MA working in any version of PowerDVD? And if so what did you use to put the audio out, Radeon 5800 card or a Auzentech X-Fi HomeTheater HD. I assume those are the only two options?

Bitstreaming is exactly that...it sends the unmolested audio stream to your receiver for processing, so, it's irrespective of the software player's decoder. What I'm saying is if you use bitstreaming, the native track is sent be it 5.1 or 7.1...that's what the receiver receives. So yes, you can most definitely do it via bitstreaming. I use an ATI 5870 personally. It should work with a Clarkdale or Auzentech, as well.
post #296 of 1608
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

Bitstreaming is exactly that...it sends the unmolested audio stream to your receiver for processing, so, it's irrespective of the software player's decoder. What I'm saying is if you use bitstreaming, the native track is sent be it 5.1 or 7.1...that's what the receiver receives. So yes, you can most definitely do it via bitstreaming. I use an ATI 587 personally. It should work with a Clarkdale or Auzentech, as well.

Thanks for the confirmation. I still say I don't understand why Cyberlink is having a problem allowing the extra two channels.

I will have to decide if I want to spend the money to get a new sound card and an HD supporting amp just for these two channels. Annoying I thought I had brought enough by getting a motherboard with a 7.1 channel Realtek card that supported content protection. Thanks Cyberlink....
post #297 of 1608
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Originally Posted by harvey13matt View Post

I will have to decide if I want to spend the money to get a new sound card and an HD supporting amp just for these two channels. Annoying I thought I had brought enough by getting a motherboard with a 7.1 channel Realtek card that supported content protection. Thanks Cyberlink....

What content do you have that uses 7.1?
post #298 of 1608
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

What content do you have that uses 7.1?

I have Wall-E which is 6.1. But mainly I rent most of the Blu-Ray's I watch, and there have been a few that I have not been ablt to watch to their fullest, like hellboy II and Ice Age III.

If you want the full list of current Blu-rays with 7.1 DTS-MA goto www.blu-raystats.com and use the filters. There looks to be about 130 discs, not all new movies. Certainly more than there are Blu-rays with 3D.....
post #299 of 1608
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Originally Posted by harvey13matt View Post

My question is has there been any movment on bumping DTS-HD Master Audio up to 7.1 channel in the new version of PowerDVD or is it still limited to 5.1 channel?

If you select "PCM decoded by PowerDVD", then 7.1 DTS-HD MA is decoded to 7.1 LPCM and bitstreamed (e.g. Windows volume does not work), then AVR gets 7.1 LPCM. This is true for both PowerDVD 9 and 10. The screenshot below is from Verdi "La Traviata" (DTS-HD MA 7.1) in PowerDVD 9.

Of course bitstreaming 7.1 DTS-HD MA is no problem.

I don't know why "DTS-HD (7.1 channels)" is not mentioned in the CyberLink site.
LL
post #300 of 1608
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

If you select "PCM decoded by PowerDVD", then 7.1 DTS-HD MA is decoded to 7.1 LPCM and bitstreamed (e.g. Windows volume does not work), then AVR gets 7.1 LPCM. This is true for both PowerDVD 9 and 10. The screenshot below is from Verdi "La Traviata" (DTS-HD MA 7.1) in PowerDVD 9.

I don't know why "DTS-HD (7.1 channels)" is not mentioned in the CyberLink site.

Can it be done without decoding to LPCM- and if not, why not?
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