* Official * Cyberlink PowerDVD 10 Ultra thread - Page 27

I understand. I was only mentioning my own question in addition to yours since it seemed related.

Well I don't get it! When playing anything else through WMC I get no problem.
When playing back through Power DVD 10 I get no sound inside Media Center.
There has to be someone using WMC with PowerDVD 10.

This happened to me the other night as well. I did have it working fine within WMC7, but then i started it up again, mounted the .iso and it started playing with PDVD 10, but no sound.

Close WMC7 and open PDVD 10 direct works fine, so i've either changed something, or a Window$ update has changed something. Haven't bothered to look into it further to fix it as yet.

It APPEARS similar to what I wrote about in this thread just last week.

In "Cinema mode" (WMC interface) there is no audio-out in certain configurations, even though the "Classic mode" works perfectly.

I have read that it is not an isolated issue, and Cyberlink appears clueless for now.

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/pos.../45/10722.page

I have gone back to PowerDVD 9, which works perfectly in both "modes", surprisingly.


Good luck,

Paul.

It is worth updating from PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra to PowerDVD 10? I have to pay the full $99 to get up to PDVD 10 but noticed a few copies of PDVD 9 for sale for only $20. I've yet to run into a movie with 7.3 that hasn't played but I've yet to purchase a 2010 blu-ray release either so I'm not sure if I need to upgrade or not.

I've tried both modes, Cinema and Classic with the same -no sound results.

Unless you need to bitstream HD audio, I think you're better off investing your money on anyDVD HD and just forget that cyberlink exists altogether...
I have PDVD 7, 8 and 9 and I can tell you... the more you look the less you see...
I didn't buy PDVD 10, and from the look of things, I am most likely not buying...

Word.

I'd use 7 if I did not want HD audio and maybe someday 3D. I have to do all sorts of display profile gymnastics just start a movie in PDVD10 and PDVD7 that is still on my system just plays the stinking move. It's like what I'd think trying to use hacked software is like but I paid for the privilege. Three times no less.

I am 100% fully confirming that POWER DVD 10 does not downsample when using the Realtek alc889 chipset.

I tested two films:

Baraka
Akira

Baraka showed the output to be 96 khz 24 bit
Akira showed the output to be 96 khz 24 bit



This was running on my Logitech z5500 speakers using the direct analog cables.
5.1 that is.


NOTE: Akira supports up to 196 khz 24 bit (pretty much the only film to utilize the coveted 196 khz rate). The Realtek alc889 supports only TWO CHANNEL 196 khz. So when I configured my windows and realtek manager as only Stereo (no 5.1), The film Akira showed the output at the MAX 196 khz 24 bit. But this was in 2 channels only of course. So anyone that has this same audio chipset as me, you can only get max 96 khz out of the 5.1 setup.

^That is not a bad thing. 96 KHZ is insane enough.

Trust me.

192, and yes, I agree with your findings.

duknov007, if you don't mind, what is your motherboard, realtek driver, and hd audio speaker setup? 5.1/7.1? sides/rears?

I'm having problems with PDVD10 output to alc889 because PDVD10 outputs to rears when my setup must be sides to keep the hd manager happy.

The way I deal with that is to set the realtek driver to 7.1 and uncheck the sides. Works for everything I've tried.

Yes, that does seem to be a workaround. But I'd rather that PDVD10 worked in a 5.1 configuration. Seems some motherboards have rears in a 5.1, others sides (yours and mine). I'm wondering what duknov007 has...

Ah, I see. Fair enough.

I have the asus P6X58D Premium motherboard.

5.1 works fine as I only tested it with the analogue direct. I have not tested 7.1 as I don't have side speakers.

Hope this helps.

Ha, gotta laugh at this. To get the joke you could read my thread.

You don't say explicitly, but from your response it seems your 5.1 configuration has "rear" speakers. My 5.1 configuration has "side" speakers.

This may turn out to be a difference between Asus and Gigabyte motherboards.

When I use Headphone on Powerdvd 10 the movies stops 1 second into it, in stereo mode it works fine..WEIRD, anyone know what the Flippn hell is up wid it.

dale, I can see in your other thread, in the screenshots you posted, that you changed the connection from black (rears) to gray (sides) from one screenshot to another, so it wasn't because of the devices and drivers. The Realtek drivers will detect where you have connected your speakers and enable the outputs accordingly, that's why when you had the rears connected the sides were disabled and vice versa.

The correct setting, as the Dolby page linked there and any receiver will confirm, is that 5.1 surrounds are located about the same angle as the 7.1 sides. 7.1 adds rears.

The problem is that when a player outputs 5.1 channels and the Windows mixer is set to 7.1, Windows somehow sends the surrounds to the back-surrounds, not the sides. If the player sends 7.1, then all channels are mapped correctly, so it's not just a matter of sides/rears being swapped. (To add to the confusion, some devices/drivers like Nvidia's do swap channels, but I don't think you need to worry about that scenario.)

The first thing you need to do is connect your speakers accordingly. Connect the 5.1 surrounds to the sides, and make sure the Windows settings are to 5.1. Do the Windows speaker test, not just the one in the Realtek control panel and check it's OK.

Hi Andy, thanks for your reply. Let me clarify a few things though.


I have made some additions to that post to prevent misunderstanding. The first image is some other guys screenshot from his ALC888 based mobo. The point is that his has 5.1 sides disabled. The second image shows my setup where I have 5.1 rears disabled. 5.1 rears are disabled regardless of where I have my speakers plugged.


I do have the speakers plugged into sides. Realtek and windows are both happy with this, tests exercise the side surrounds fine.

But, in this configuration PDVD10 sends the surround channel to REARS. This is the problem. SamuriHL keeps PDVD10 happy by choosing a 7.1 config which enables selection of rears.

Hmm I don't have PowerDVD 10, does it have speaker selection itself, or are you talking about the Realtek control panel? Do you have the Windows device set to 5.1 as well?

PDVD10 allows you to select 6 or 8 speaker. The only configuration that works is:

Realtek and Windows 7.1, sides disabled, surrounds in rears, PDVD10 8 speaker.

This next configuration works ONLY in PDVD10:

Realtek and windows 5.1, surrounds in rears, PDVD10 6 speaker. In this configuration, realtek and windows tests don't work with the surrounds.

I see, this behavior is since PDVD 8 at least, probably earlier. If you set 8 speaker output in PowerDVD, it sends 7.1 channels with the 2 rear channels blank, to the mixer. If you select 6 speaker, it sends 5.1 channels, where Windows puts the sides to the rear channels if Windows is set to 7.1.

Setting Windows to 5.1 channels and PDVD to 6 speaker should give you sound to the sides, when you connect the surrounds to the sides, as they should. Doesn't it work like that? If so, is there any reason you are setting Windows to 7.1?

No it doesn't work like that. It is a bug in PDVD10, probably related to the special path for PAP on ALC889.

Windows set to 5.1 and PDVD10 set to 6 speaker sends the surrounds to the REARS. And, on my system, you can only define a 5.1 system in windows with SIDES. Some other motherboards leave the 5.1 surrounds in Windows as REARS, which is technically wrong, but works in PDVD10

It is a mess.

Weird. Anyway about this you said above:

If I'm understanding correctly, if you do this exact same configuration, but connect the speaker to "sides" (gray), realtek and Windows tests do work (as they should), but you won't hear surrounds from PowerDVD 10.

What about connecting surrounds to gray (sides), setting Windows to 5.1 and PowerDVD to 8 speaker? That's probably similar (not the same) to what Samuri is doing, but the rear surround audio from any 7.1 disc you might have should be duplicated to the sides.

Yep you got it.


You know how finely balanced these HTPC audio systems are. To me, wierd "its not what I actually have, but it works" configs are asking for trouble sometime... I think I've learnt now that 5.1 surrounds are "sides" and PDVD10 doesn't handle this config. I have a support ticket in with Cyberlink, and I'll keep on them for a bug fix. Until then PDVD10 is off the menu on the HTPC. PDVD8 works fine in a natural 6 speaker, windows 5.1 with sides config. All I'm missing is lossless

It is indeed a mess. I'm not messing with my configuration, either, as it's the only thing that's worked since PDVD9 for me. TMT3 seems happy with it, as well, so, I'm going to leave well enough alone. Channel mapping issues drive me insane. It's one of the reasons I like bitstreaming, but, I don't have that option on my bedroom machine at the moment.

Tom!

Do you remeber my issue? Will be a language pack ever released for PDVD10?

Rob

I'm having the "no sound in cinema mode" issue also

using ATI 5770 connected via HDMI to Onkyo 805

latest 10.5 catalyst drivers, realtek 1.39 ATI HDMI drivers, and fully patched windows 7 x64 enterprise

In normal powerdvd mode, i have it set to "hdmi output" and "Non-decoded high-definition audio to external device" and i get bitstreaming bliss.

when i play the same movie from within windows 7 media center (powerdvd cinema) there is no audio output, and i can note even select "non-decoded..." from the settings screen

I still have powerdvd 9 installed as well, and it still works correctly

it seems like it is not properly breaking the windows 7 media center exclusive hold on the audio channel or something. My windows audio settings are set to HDMI 2channel. When playing movies in pdvd cinema, my receiver still indicates it is only receiving a 2 channel PCM signal.

I know this is an issue with using media center to launch an external player like mpc-hc+reclock to get wasapi audio. I have to run a script that first kills 7mc before the audio will work

You and I have pretty similar hardware and have exactly the same bs result -no sound out on WMC7. This is disgraceful. It is NOT us, it is Cyberlink. Please Slysoft....give us Slyplayer so we don't have to deal with this garbage. Everything you put out works exactly the way it should.

my cinema mode was working, not sure at what point along the line it stopped... was probably either going from catalyst 10.4 to 10.5 or installing the latest pdvd patch 1714

either way, it doesnt bother me enough to track down where it went sideways since if i need to i just use pdvd9 in 7mc

i'll try updating to realtek 2.49 and check my edid crap when i get home and see if that makes a difference