Official Sony KDL 32EX400 40EX400 46EX400 EX401 - Page 20

Ordered the 32" version of thisw tv last night from newegg. Should be here tomorrow. Never bought a tv I didn't first see in person so I'm hoping it looks good.

Was first looking at a samsung 32c530, but it was too much. Hoping the picture is comparable to that one.

@RobLee, I might give your idea about the powersaving settings a go, thx.

UPDATE: I've turned Ambient Sensor OFF, Power Savings to LOW and Backlight to 5 and rather like the results! Thanks! -- oh and no clouding or flashlighting in this setup either!

I decided to try the ambient sensor since I figured that there are some pretty smart folks over at SONY who come up with these things and that it might simply be that the Vivid setting is really like Samsung's "Dynamic" setting -- really meant for in-store displays to sell sets.

"Flashlighting" is another term for "clouding" on an otherwise dark background. I find it so distracting that it makes the set hard to watch. (I just edited my earlier post to clarify that, thanks).

NOT my TV, but an example from another forum . . .

I looked at numerous test images on my 32'' LG (LD450, which is calibrated), then made changes to the Sony's settings until coming as close as possible to what my LG could display.

Thanks. So you did it by eye, that's what I was afraid of.

I tried the settings but found they were off. Their was a green tinge to everything.

I'll stick to my settings. Although my greyscale isn't perfect, it's pretty good. I was hoping your settings were attained using actual calibration equipment to set the white balance and the gamma settings.

In other words, he tried to make the Sony look like an LG. Glad I didn't even try those settings.
I hate the way LG's look - even their computer monitors.

Hi guys, I know I'm a newb asking newb questions and I apologize. I have read through this whole thread and the only info I've gleaned regarding settings for low-input lag xbox360 gaming have been to run the tv in "Gaming - Original" mode.

I am running 40ex400 to xbox360 on hdmi. Is there anything else I can do to improve performance or reduce input lag? Anything features or modes I should enable or disable?

Thanks

^Anyone?

I just bought a Sony KDL32EX403U and it should arrive on Tuesday. Would moop or nick-s-f's settings be ok for my screen as theirs are for the 40EX400. If not could anyone post or point me towards some good calibration settings for it.

EDIT: If anyone's reading this and is wondering the same thing then you can try fairchilds settings as they seem to be the most agreed on.

hey help mee im newubie.. this tv support full rgb or why when i play gta 4 on full rgb parts are very dark and when i put on limited its ok and sorry for my engish

I have 32ex402 model (assembled in Slovakia), and I don't notice any input lag in any mode at all. I play in Cinema mode, as it has the most natural colours as well as not eyes scorching whites. The only my modification to the settings (except setting cinema mode for the HDMI input) was to rise brightness from default 50 to 65 to improve visibility in dark scenes (left the backlight level as it was on 2).

Overall, VERY satisfied with the TV. Played Uncharted 2 yesterday for 7-8 hours straight, it was fantastic and easy for eyes experience after my old SD CRT TV. Screen uniformity is great, no fault pixels, blacks are good (though far from perfect comparing with my CRT Mitsubishi monitor), good sound too.

I noticed that too. In full RGB mode, the colors become more vivid (probably because of extended RGB gamut from high end, i.e. 236-255) , but it becomes hard to see details in dark places. My fix for it was to rise brightness from 50 to 65 - dark places become similar to as they looked in Limited RGB mode with brightness=50, and I think the colours look more vivid.

Can someone confirm the colors become more vivid? Otherwise the mode maybe not worth to enable.

How do you change the modes of this TV? for example i have my blu-ray player set to auto for output is there something on the TV to change? or is the mode dependent on the source device connected ?

Thanks.

Picked up a Sony KDL32EX403U the other day!

I have it hooked upto just my PS3/Play TV.

I was wondering if anyone could recommend what settings to have it on or even calibrated settings, Thanks

hey maybe this tv cannot support rgb full mode because crushes blacks ???? how to know is this tv support rgb full mode???

You choose Full RGB / Limited RGB on a source device, if of course it's applicable for it and it has the setting. In my case the device is Playstation 3 which allows it.

I changed it back and forth few times and now I can say the colours definitely become more vibrant with PS3 Full RGB setting set to on. In limited RGB mode, each transmitted color (R-G-B) is in the range of 16-235 instead of 0-255.


Yes, I think it doesn't, as most of the LCDs.
However, in games so far I like the Full RGB with brightness set to 65 and Cinema Mode more than Limited RGB with standard brightness (50) in the same mode. The picture looks kind of dull with limited RGB if compared to full RGB. Perhaps the same effect can be obtained by tinkering contrast and saturation, but anyway, the colours become considerably more vibrant with full RGB without any additional changes.



Cinema mode, brightness 65, full RGB on PS3. That's all I changed from default (backlight level is set to 2 in the cinema mode, I left it as it was too - blacks are satisfying for me). But I have an ex402 model, don't know if they differ in terms of picture.

My devices connected to this sony TV are a sony upscaling dvd player and a sony BDP-S570 blu-ray player.

The options for the hdmi output for the dvd player are YcYbYr (paraphrasing) or RGB. The settings for HDMI output for the s570 are auto, 4:2:2 4:4:4, or RGB. In this situation is the RGB option, full RGB? it doesn't say as such, so I was just wondering. I also have read most content is stored in 4:2:2. This is one area I'm still a bit confused over.

I recently purchased a Sony 40EX400 and initial thoughts were good, but soon I noticed some annoying backlight issues (another forum member referred to it as clouding or flashlighting).

Since inconsistent backlight issues seem to be inherent in LCD panels, how much is a consumer supposed to tolerate (in absolute terms or in context of a relatively inexpensive LCD such as the 40EX400)? For me, the amount of inconsistency seems intolerable, but I'm afraid if I return the television, I'll end up with another 40EX400 with similar or worse issues.

I've attached some images to illustrate the inconsistency. The images were taken of the screen in a dark room with white, black and gray JPGs being fed to the screen via a Blu-Ray player's USB port . The gray shows the inconsistency at the worst while the white shows mostly light fall-off along the edges and corners.

In movie playing scenarios, obviously the problem isn't as pronounced, but can be especially annoying in low-light movies such as Dark City; static scenes are less offensive than scenes with motion or panning.

By the way, Sony's Blu-Ray players (I have the BDP-S570) utilize a gray background for online-content info / option screens, and the backlight issue is clearly visible. That, coupled with the players's low-res background images makes the screens look like Etch-A-Sketch art.

Anyway, if the consensus is that this is as good as it gets with a low-mid-level, backlight LCD, I guess I might be able to (have to) live with it.

Thanks.

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Other pertinent technical info that may impact the results:

Backlight 5
Picture 95
Brightness 50
Gamma 0
Advanced Contrast Enhancer Off
Ambient Sensor Off
Power Saving Off

Note: Modifying any relevant settings within range of acceptable trade-offs between shadow detail and black-levels in real-world movie viewing scenarios does not significantly diminish the inconsistency as shown in the attached images.

hey help meee i put the brightneess to 65 but i note that the image look more gray when i put the brightness moree hey and what is the default settings on cinema mode??

Obviously with brightness set to 65 the blacks will be more gray than with the setting set to 50. But at least in my case, with PS3's full RGB the blacks aren't any more grey than with limited RGB and brightness=50. Just compare picture quality by switching between PS3's full RGB/limited RGB back and forth a few times and you'll see.
You may return to default settings by choosing Reset in the corresponding menu. The default brightness for the mode is 50 and backlight=2, that's all I remember now.


Sorry, this I don't know. But I read that most (or even all?) movies are coded with limited RGB gamut anyway.


Scatto, the grey screen does look bad if you artificially didn't amplify its contrast of course. I actually even didn't test my set like that just because everything I've seen so far on it (games and analog TV) fully satisfies me, I don't notice any defects of uniformity, including one-coloured screens in games f.e when credits are rolling, but I didn't specifically look for it with magnifying glass in hand . I use Cinema mode (backlight=2) and watch the TV in quite dimly lightened room. If you clearly see such lack of uniformity even while practically use it, I'd say the TV is defective.

I didnt' see anyone else respond to this yet but i need to search more. I got my tv about 28 days ago and only have 2 days to return it but i have the same problem, the left and right edge, and now the top too, all have a tiny strip that is brighter than the rest of the screen that can be seen during fast motion. And yes, now that i see it, i keep looking for it. Should i exchange? Are we....two.....defective tvs or is this just how the Bravias are?

I only performed those tests to confirm the problem that I was seeing during playback from various sources (no magnifying glass required).

Also, I didn't alter the images I uploaded in any way to make them look worse. I actually wanted some real, valid feedback, and that was only possible by supplying images that accurately reflect what I'm seeing (of course, how you guys see the images is also dependent on how your monitors are set-up).

Thanks for the reply.

It might depend on which panel you have in your TV as well. Look through the thread for the code to enter from the remote to access the service menu with the panel information. The put your info here, and someone might be able to tell you if it's a specific panel issue. I listed my panel info above in the thread. I don't have any of these issues with my tv, so it might be panel related.

This is definitely NOT "how Bravias are", but it is unclear if this is caused by your LCD or BRP. I have the 46EX400 and both 370 and 570 (no 470) and have not had any such problem like this. However I have seen a similar problem caused by a cheap video cable, but it does not make sense that it would become progressively worse. I think you definitely have something wrong and should exchange something... TV, BRP, or cable - before your time runs out. Good luck!

It's on everything, cable box, ps3, xbox 360. The consoles use hdmi cables i got from monoprice.com and cable box and wii are on component, the problem occurs on everything. Whenever there is fast motion you can see a 1/8th '' bar of brightness blur from top to bottom of the left and right side of the screen.

Then definitely return it if there is still time. You paid too much to live with an annoyance like this.
There are no tweaks or settings I can think of that would cause something like that.

Just returned the set and I'm back with it now.

I can't supply any new images of the panel yet as I don't have it set up in the proper environment. However, initially it looks like I've just substituted one inconsistent backlight pattern for another.

I did identify the panel in the original set before returning it, so I can provide the panel info for both:

Original: LTY(Z)400HM01
New: T400HW03 V0

I think the panels are Samsung (orig) and AUO (new). Flip a coin, get a different panel manufacturer. Nice.

If anyone has any differing info about who actually manufactures the panels, let me know.

Thanks.

You've got it right! LTY is Samsung and T is AUO.

This panel seems to be basically divided into three sections:

- bright left (darkening greatly towards the top)
- dark middle
- very bright right (darkening slightly towards the bottom)

The right side is so bright, I can't do anything to get black bars on that side when viewing non-16:9 material.

How many times can you exchange a TV before they think you're running a scam? Is that number more or less than how many times it takes to actually get a halfway decent panel?

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-...0101207950.htm

Not sure 'knowledgeable' really describes me regarding LCDs, but I may continue tryiing my best to find a good panel.

Here are the AUO panel's backlight images (black, gray, white) for comparison to the images of the Samsung panel.

As you can see, the pattern is different, but in practical use, worse than the Samsung. The brightness and location of certain patches make it impossible to set the picture quality to acceptable levels while maintaining black (or even dark gray!) in the letter or pillar box borders (that to me is the ultimate sin), and of course, when content appears in those areas, contrast is reduced and colors are washed out, etc.

The backlight issues not withstanding, the picture quality overall of the AUO seems lower than the example I returned. Just a few of my observations:

- the AUO picture appears grainier (even on HD video sources) than the Samsung. Related to that, I believe, is the fact that very little sharpening (+2) can be applied before I noted distortions in the image. And, I'm not sure of the technical term for it, but patterns of closely packed horizontal or vertical lines were jaggy and seemed to be in motion, whereas such defects seemed to be inconspicuous on the Samsung.

- raising brightness or gamma (or both) on the Samsung allowed for opening up shadow detail while still maintaining picture quality. Doing so with the AUO washes out the colors and still leaves the shadows blocked up to a greater extent.

- viewing angle seems to be considerably more restrictive on the AUO. As an example, the shape or intensity of the dark and light patterns of the inconsistent backlighting on the AUO could be changed by moving only a few inches off dead-center. It's so bad that I seriously thought I needed to post the patterns from multiple angles for the test to even be valid. Instead, noting that this occurs will have to suffice.

Do others agree that Samsung is generally better than AUO, or is this another crapshoot? I think I know the answer.

With all that said, why do I even bother with this instead of just getting my money back and moving on?

1) I got such a great deal on this TV (at a local store even, so returns are fairly easy logistically) that to exchange for a different model at this point (similar size, specs etc.) would cost an extra $150+ dollars. An upgrade would cost even more, but I'm actually more open to the latter if it means I can find a good panel much easier.

2) Based on my soured experience thus far, I'm betting my experience with other models, especially in this price range, could be equally lottery-like, so I don't see where I'd gain by jumping ship now. Maybe the people at the store would like me better, but that's about it.

P.S.
What is the LCD panel type of each of the two panels being discussed?

Well i exchanged my one tv and now i got one that's back light is worse than my previous one ( this one is an AUO model, not sure what the last one was). I can't tell if the sides are okay yet, with the last tv i didn't notice the problem for a couple weeks. I'm never going to be happy am i? *quits watching tv and playing videogames and devotes life to catching rabbits...wild rabbits*