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post #421 of 476
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Originally Posted by scarabaeus View Post

Why the frowny face? 720p TnB support is mandatory in HDMI 1.4a 3D TVs, 720p SbS is not. This way ESPN3D is using the format they are supposed to for sports, and you can be sure your 3D TV or converter box supports it.

The TnB vs SbS is not the problem for me. It's the 720p vs 1080i. The resolution hit for frame compatible 720p vs 1080i is huge and I much prefer to have the higher resolution in 1080i then slightly less motion blur (which I have never noticed anyway in 2D).
post #422 of 476
So ESPN3D is showing a bunch of content on the channel instead of just a logo on UVerse. But there is no sound.... Is anyone else seeing this? Do you have sound?
post #423 of 476
See the other thread on comcast yes your box needs replacement
post #424 of 476
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Originally Posted by icerat4 View Post

See the other thread on comcast yes your box needs replacement

I have UVerse, but sound is back...
post #425 of 476
I still don't have ESPN 3D in Rochester Hills, Michigan...
Sigh..
post #426 of 476
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Originally Posted by kaoztheory View Post

I still don't have ESPN 3D in Rochester Hills, Michigan...
Sigh..

I don't think you're missing much atm. I just got a 3D TV and that channel has been the biggest dissapointment to me being a big sports fan. There is really nothing on there. I mean that literally! Always saying Programming TBD or Upcoming:So in so vs. So in so. What, do we get 1 game a week or something and that makes up ESPN's 3D programming?? I thought there would at least be a few other shows/specials etc available.
post #427 of 476
post #428 of 476
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Originally Posted by veroviper View Post
I don't think you're missing much atm. I just got a 3D TV and that channel has been the biggest dissapointment to me being a big sports fan. There is really nothing on there. I mean that literally! Always saying Programming TBD or Upcoming:So in so vs. So in so. What, do we get 1 game a week or something and that makes up ESPN's 3D programming?? I thought there would at least be a few other shows/specials etc available.
what? Did you not look at the schedule?


I'm really not sure what you expected.
post #429 of 476
I expected a little more than that. With the exception of Turkey Day it's one college football game a week. I thought maybe an NFL game or two, maybe a couple pro or college basketball games, hockey. I'm not up in arms or anything over it, just thought there might be a little more sports content by now.
post #430 of 476
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Originally Posted by veroviper View Post

I expected a little more than that. With the exception of Turkey Day it's one college football game a week. I thought maybe an NFL game or two, maybe a couple pro or college basketball games, hockey. I'm not up in arms or anything over it, just thought there might be a little more sports content by now.

Well - they've already announced a bunch of college basketball in late November / early December. They will be doing 14 NBA games. There's the upcoming Globetrotters special. ESPN doesn't broadcast any hockey, so no luck there. And, as for NFL, they only have MNF each week.

New technology is always slow-going in the beginning. But, it's not like it's non-existent.
post #431 of 476
ESPN Is Killing 3D Broadcasts By the End of the Year
by Mario Aguilar/ gizmodo.com /6/12/2013

ESPN will kill ESPN 3D by the end of the year. The ill-fated 3D sports channel that started as an experiment in 2010 won't be broadcast in any dimensions soon. This is huge news considering the significant investment that TV manufacturers and broadcasters have put forth in an effort to bolster the struggling tech.

We reached out to ESPN, and the company confirmed rumors about the end of its 3D broadcasts. ESPN citied lackluster adoption of the technology as the main reason. In an email statement, ESPN wasn't willing to rule out 3D, saying the company will be all about it when and if the technology takes off and people actually start watching it. That's a big "when" at this point. Over the last few years, manufacturers have sold loads of 3DTVs. ESPN 3D is the largest and most important source of 3DTV content out there. Without it, the medium might just die.

Sports was the crucial test case. If there was ever a justification for 3D televisions it was watching sports—and if you can't get people excited about 3D action-packed sports, you can forget about getting them excited about 3D anything else.

Everybody involved knew sports were important. Last year, Panasonic footed the bill for the production of a 3D feed of the Olympics, which it provided for free to the United States. It was beautiful! But not even the Olympics could make 3D adoption stick. Apparently, the experience just isn't better enough for people to strap-on specs—even when they've already got 3DTVs.

To paint a rosier picture, ESPN said it is looking to the future of UltraHD. Indeed, broadcasters and manufacturers are currently developing trials for 4K broadcasting, and the word is that the 2014 World Cup will be broadcast in UHD straight from Brazil. Let's hope high-resolution fares better than the third dimension.

http://gizmodo.com/report-espn-is-killing-3d-broadcasts-by-the-end-of-the-512858617
post #432 of 476
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

ESPN Is Killing 3D Broadcasts By the End of the Year
by Mario Aguilar/ gizmodo.com /6/12/2013

ESPN will kill ESPN 3D by the end of the year. The ill-fated 3D sports channel that started as an experiment in 2010 won't be broadcast in any dimensions soon. This is huge news considering the significant investment that TV manufacturers and broadcasters have put forth in an effort to bolster the struggling tech.

We reached out to ESPN, and the company confirmed rumors about the end of its 3D broadcasts. ESPN citied lackluster adoption of the technology as the main reason. In an email statement, ESPN wasn't willing to rule out 3D, saying the company will be all about it when and if the technology takes off and people actually start watching it. That's a big "when" at this point. Over the last few years, manufacturers have sold loads of 3DTVs. ESPN 3D is the largest and most important source of 3DTV content out there. Without it, the medium might just die.

Sports was the crucial test case. If there was ever a justification for 3D televisions it was watching sports—and if you can't get people excited about 3D action-packed sports, you can forget about getting them excited about 3D anything else.

Everybody involved knew sports were important. Last year, Panasonic footed the bill for the production of a 3D feed of the Olympics, which it provided for free to the United States. It was beautiful! But not even the Olympics could make 3D adoption stick. Apparently, the experience just isn't better enough for people to strap-on specs—even when they've already got 3DTVs.

To paint a rosier picture, ESPN said it is looking to the future of UltraHD. Indeed, broadcasters and manufacturers are currently developing trials for 4K broadcasting, and the word is that the 2014 World Cup will be broadcast in UHD straight from Brazil. Let's hope high-resolution fares better than the third dimension.

http://gizmodo.com/report-espn-is-killing-3d-broadcasts-by-the-end-of-the-512858617

Based on how little activity this thread has gotten in almost three years, I hear a collective "ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" regarding this news.
post #433 of 476
3D goes down hard again just like the 1950's.

Yep, I'm old enough to have worn those stupid glasses to watch those really really bad 3d horror moves back then.

And my head still hurts.
post #434 of 476
I hope the movie studios follow suit. Haven't watched a 3D movie in 2 years now, I just see the 2D versions.
post #435 of 476
First their 3d Channel rarely showed any events in 3D live. The first couple of years you might have had a MLB and NBA game here and there, but now its all repeats and the occasional X Games event. Adoption was low because you gave people no reason to watch.

Now you want to move to 4k? How about you fix the resolution you currently run at first. It looks to be lower or barely at 720p. Anytime I watch the NFL on CBS and the NBA on TNT I realize how much better their broadcasts are to what I am seeing on ESPN or ABC. It's Horrible.
post #436 of 476
Figures, the day I finally buy a 3D TV...
post #437 of 476
OT

Saw a 4K demo at best buy last week and I must say it was jaw dropping . But this time I'm waiting for more 4K content before I drop $$$$
On a 4k display. It was years before I
got real use out of my overpriced 38" 300 lbs crt hdtv tongue.gif
post #438 of 476
First, 3-D in theaters isn't going anywhere, and blu-ray 3D is growing. Eventually most everyone will have a 3-D capable set, whether or not they ever use the feature. But 3-D TV broadcasting is still a mixed bag. ESPN3D doesn't really need to exist as a dedicated channel anyway. As stated by others, it is almost always reruns of third tier events anyway. With the possible exception of some effective boxing broadcasts, most of the stuff they show is very underwhelming, and sloppily produced. Many of the angles are still covered by flat 2-D cameras, which is distracting, and even the stuff shot with 3-D cameras often was a mess.

An occasional special event can and almost certainly will be shown in 3-D via a temporary channel or PPV method. Frankly, even 3net plays the same things over and over, but their library is slowly but steadily expanding. With the niche market for 3-D TV, we really don't need more than one dedicated channel and PPV first run 3-D movies.

I wouldn't be a chicken little just yet with 3-D TV. The real problem is that the industry and the media had this unrealistic expectation that 3-D TV was going to overtake 2-D .
post #439 of 476
I honestly think 3D home video is going to remain and even shrink to a large degree as only an extremely small niche market for the next 10 years, mostly for movie houses. The sales for 3D Blu-ray titles has been and remains very low and it's getting to the point that more and more current movies that had theatrical releases in 3D aren't getting home video 3D releases. Add to that studios like Disney are completely shooting themselves in the foot with ill-advised marketing strategies like the one being used for "Oz, The Great and Powerful" and broadcast companies like ESPN and HDTV manufacturers realizing that the market just isn't there to justify the expense - imo until hardware, software and delivery makes a huge technical and financial leap, it's a dead end in the home video industry.
post #440 of 476
Too bad...enjoyed the games on ESPN 3D. frown.gif
post #441 of 476
I didn't mean to knock 3D in my post above, I really like it and see quite a bit in the theater. However, I don't think sports are the future. I think it is a niche best served by films that have enough planning to take advantage of the 3D effect. All these 2D to 3D converts, I am talking to you too.
post #442 of 476
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Originally Posted by larrimore View Post

I didn't mean to knock 3D in my post above, I really like it and see quite a bit in the theater. However, I don't think sports are the future. I think it is a niche best served by films that have enough planning to take advantage of the 3D effect. All these 2D to 3D converts, I am talking to you too.
Have you watched 3D sports? Golf & Tennis I will not watch 2D, but when 3D I will, Boxing is pretty cool, too bad HBO or SHO have never broadcast their matches in 3D. Baseball / Softball rock in 3D also(I have a Sony 3D camcorder and have recorded JUCO Softball ...) ESPN never gave their 3D channel the programming it deserved such as trying NFL(College football rocks), NHRA, NASCAR etc ...
post #443 of 476
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

I honestly think 3D home video is going to remain and even shrink to a large degree as only an extremely small niche market for the next 10 years, mostly for movie houses. The sales for 3D Blu-ray titles has been and remains very low and it's getting to the point that more and more current movies that had theatrical releases in 3D aren't getting home video 3D releases. Add to that studios like Disney are completely shooting themselves in the foot with ill-advised marketing strategies like the one being used for "Oz, The Great and Powerful" and broadcast companies like ESPN and HDTV manufacturers realizing that the market just isn't there to justify the expense - imo until hardware, software and delivery makes a huge technical and financial leap, it's a dead end in the home video industry.

I frankly prefer niche markets to mainstream release. As soon as it becomes profitable to cut corners they are cut.

It wasn't THAT long ago that Blu-ray was in the same boat.

I am also a 2D convert. My home theater is better for 3D than any theater I have been in and I regularly go to one of the few full size IMAX theaters in the midwest.

This thread cracks me up because I was looking into dropping Dish and getting DirecTV solely because of ESPN3D just a few days ago. And I disagree that 3D sports are not the future. There was some market research about 3D NFL games being shown at movie theaters; eventually the NFL priced themselves out of the market but everyone that viewed it was blown away. I don't give 2 ****s about 4k.
post #444 of 476
Sad day. Even though I rarely watch 3D anymore - - I did enjoy the movies I watched. And I agree that ESPN3D never gave themselves a chance by mostly broadcasting old events. That's like reading yesterday's or last month's newspaper. Not the same thing.

I would have loved to have seen the Superbowl in 3D. Golf is fantastic in 3D (The Masters). I haven't seen hockey in 3D - - and I bet it would add a whole new experience - - especially depth wise to the ice and fast movement.

I look forward to 4K - - but mainly with a projector and probably five years down the road before I can afford it and there is enough content available. I really believe that projectors will benefit the most from 4K content - - especially with a super large screen.
post #445 of 476
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

The sales for 3D Blu-ray titles has been and remains very low and it's getting to the point that more and more current movies that had theatrical releases in 3D aren't getting home video 3D releases.
3D for home is just too expensive! $30-40? Really? The days of new releases costing that for a 2D version are long gone. They go for $15-20 now, and not long after could be much less. Very few titles hold their initial price, or close to it.

Also, comparatively, it's only a few dollars upgrade to 3D at the theaters while at home it's upwards of $10-20. That's just nucking futz!
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Originally Posted by larrimore View Post

However, I don't think sports are the future. I think it is a niche best served by films that have enough planning to take advantage of the 3D effect. All these 2D to 3D converts, I am talking to you too.

It could be but It's the glasses. No one wants to watch a sporting event, especially a hyped up one like football where people jump out of their seats and have to worry about glasses falling off or just being uncomfortable and in the way.

Wearing glasses for movies is one thing, but not for sports.

When they come out w/ glasses free 3D, then it may have a shot.
post #446 of 476
The ridiculous pricing is absolutely keeping 3D at home down. I see the Blu Ray for Hansel and Gretel (a marginal film) on sale all over the place for 13-14 bucks. The cheapest you can get the 3D is 23-24, and that's mostly online. In store at Wal Mart it wasn't even on sale. Even older movies retain huge mark ups. I am seeing Legends of the Guardians (the owls) in $7 bargain bins, but the 3D version remains on the racks at full, hugely marked up, MSRP more than 3 times that.

They could make 3D a huge home success if they released under $30 MSRP, release date sale 20-23, with the 2D blu ray $5 less than that. If people see the 3D premium as being a small step instead of a giant leap a lot more will go for it.
post #447 of 476
You guys aren't trying very hard to find deals on 3D BluRay. Its not hard to catch a sale at $15 for a 3D BD. I'm not sure where the proof is that movies being released in the theaters aren't getting a 3D release, I can guarantee that list is very short. Unless someone has a source that proves otherwise and I am just missing things.

I enjoyed ESPN 3D, but I was wondering if the writing was on the wall when they aren't even showing the NBA Finals in 3D (I think the last time was 2011).
post #448 of 476
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

You guys aren't trying very hard to find deals on 3D BluRay. Its not hard to catch a sale at $15 for a 3D BD. I'm not sure where the proof is that movies being released in the theaters aren't getting a 3D release, I can guarantee that list is very short. Unless someone has a source that proves otherwise and I am just missing things.

I enjoyed ESPN 3D, but I was wondering if the writing was on the wall when they aren't even showing the NBA Finals in 3D (I think the last time was 2011).
This on prices, we were at CES last year and went by the boxing ring setup, I ended up watching some of the fights at Fry's in their theater and and when I got home... and got to meet Jerry Frachione and saw others from ESPN while there. The one MLB All-star game ESPN3D broadcast was pretty cool also.
post #449 of 476
just read this article about ESPN dropping the 3D channel because of poor ratings. Interesting figures in the article pertaining to 3D movies: " the Motion Picture Association said box office revenue for 3-D showings in the U.S. and Canada was flat in 2012 from a year earlier at $1.8 billion. The number of 3-D films released in the period dropped by 20 percent". Not enough viewers to make it profitable.. mad.gif
post #450 of 476
Time Warner Cable charged $10 a month for this channel, which made it pretty much useless for anybody. You couldn't gauge the quality without paying and why would you want to pay if you didn't know the quality. Beyond that, the 3D programming was ridiculously limited.
Essentially, ESPN's statement is like opening a grocery story, carrying 10 items, being open two hours a day and saying you had to close because there wasn't enough interest in grocery stores.
That said, I think the bigger market for 3D is movies and I know I wouldn't sit through a three-hour NFL game with 3D glasses on. The point is that ESPN is blaming only the market instead of acknowledging it provided a product with no direction and a horrible game plan.
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