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I have an old sub that was part of my Sony HTiB, am I able to wire that up to my 608 without any problems? I don't intend on using it longterm but until I pick up a decent subwoofer will this work?
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Originally Posted by stallion19 View Post

I have an old sub that was part of my Sony HTiB, am I able to wire that up to my 608 without any problems? I don't intend on using it longterm but until I pick up a decent subwoofer will this work?

Is the sub passive or power? And if passive does it have Line In and Out? If the passive sub only have Line In then an outboard amp will be require.

IMO if the sub is a passive, I would wait and get a power sub.
post #1653 of 5274
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Is the sub passive or power? And if passive does it have Line In and Out? If the passive sub only have Line In then an outboard amp will be require.

IMO if the sub is a passive, I would wait and get a power sub.

Yeah it's passive. Thanks for your help.
post #1654 of 5274
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Originally Posted by owlish View Post

I think our definitions of hot are indeed different. All I can say is Pioneer is significantly cooler, which is only logical given lower current drain. Also non-fan units only need clearance on top for natural convection, but for the fan to be effective you need intake to be on the sides/bottom.

Long term the fan will inevitably get noisy. It can also break altogether, which in turn can overheat the receiver before you know about it.

So I prefer high-efficiency design. Yes, it is more difficult to get class D amp THX certified, but Pioneer has those too if you need that, and they still don't require a fan.

It sounds to me like you don't own the Onkyo 608. Once again, the word hot is just not true. I've worked in sound for 40 years, and fully understand the cooling issue. The Onkyo also contains a very nice heatsink, which is an added bonus. You are posting personal opinion here that I don't think is based in the reality of ownership. You are also making absolute statements regarding fan failure which you have no basis in reality with regarding this particular unit. There are units out there with fan cooling that are many years old.. for cryin out loud, man, I have servers that have run on the same fan for 10 years.
post #1655 of 5274
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Originally Posted by leftnose View Post

I'm about to buy a 608 but have a question. I would hook up: PS3, XBox360, Wii, a HTPC, and cable box.

Is there any problem in connecting the Wii to the component inputs but also having the corresponding HDMI input in use? For example, the PS3 would go in BD/DVD, the Cable into CBL/SAT but then what would happen with the Wii hooked up via component cables into the same inputs? Will the receiver freak out? I would only have one of the devices turned on at at time but I am wondering if this would still work.

I would think that the Denon 791 is a better alternative with its assignable component input but I find that its just a bit short on inputs in case I ever expand and I can't find a good source for the 891.

I could be wrong, but there's a component video in assignment option in the input menu. That way you could assign the component input to whatever input suits your mood.
post #1656 of 5274
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Originally Posted by samm86 View Post

Hello 608 owners!

I have an inquiry that I hope someone can answer:
I am using the 608 to drive my projector that is 33 feet away. My blu-ray player is also 33 feet away from the 608.

I don't want to spend a lot on long HDMI cables - I want to try those HDMI extenders (over cat5e/6). I have purchased non-powered baluns that don't work with the 608. They work fine from blu-ray to projector, but once I introduce the 608 into the line, I get alternating blue/black screens on my projector.

Is there anyone out there who is using a quality HDMI extender Tx/Rx setup that works well with the 608? (powered or unpowered, it doesn't matter) I hear there are troubles with the Onkyos when using HDMI extenders/baluns...

It would be awsome if someone could show me a link to where I can get ones that work.

Thanks
SAM

Sam,
Like mentioned a couple posts before, you should check out monoprice or bluejeans cable. I use a monoprice 25 or 30 foot to my laptop that I paid roughly 20 dollars for and it works fine.

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Originally Posted by owlish View Post

About consensus on Onkyo being "not hot". Everyone who says that, is comparing it to older Onkyos. Boiling water is not hot compared to melted metal, there is a consensus about that too.

Well I've never owned an Onkyo before so I can't do that comparison. I don't know what else to say about the 608 other than its not hot, maybe I should say luke warm, cool enough it might not even be pleseant to take a shower in. My 608 is significantly cooler than my cable box, I guess I should describe the 608 as cool.

It seems like most of the owners are trying to help answer your question about the temperature, and the answer is its not hot, its cool, its medium warm, take your pick. Owlish does this help answer your question about the 608, or did you just create an account at AVSforum to come into the 608 owners thread and argue with people? I mean do you own a 608 and are having trouble with it?
post #1657 of 5274
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Originally Posted by owlish View Post

You can pick either one of HDMIs, or one of components. It is not smart enough to detect conflict, so you can have the same selector set to both inputs, in which case HDMI wins. But there is no good reason to do that. Just set one of unused input buttons to pick your component input.

Excellent! Thanks. So all of the inputs are assignable and the labels on the back are just their default assignments that can be changed.
post #1658 of 5274
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Originally Posted by DaveHCYJ View Post


It seems like most of the owners are trying to help answer your question about the temperature, and the answer is its not hot, its cool, its medium warm, take your pick. Owlish does this help answer your question about the 608, or did you just create an account at AVSforum to come into the 608 owners thread and argue with people? I mean do you own a 608 and are having trouble with it?

I don't have any question or a problem. I never said I have a question and never asked one. I do own 608 and I have a statement - it is hotter than Pioneer, which I also own. You can call it luke warm, or freezer cold, but it is hotter than Pioneer, which does not even have a fan.

If you don't like to hear that because you're in love with your 608, too bad, but that does not give you grounds to suggest I am fantacizing here just to argue with someone. That was pretty aroggant and condescending.
post #1659 of 5274
Well I do apologize for making the assumption you weren't an owner and were just here to argue. But I'm not the only one to have made that mistake (see 2 or 3 posts above mine).

It certainly came across like you were suggesting there was a problem with the 608. (I know you never said it was a problem, but when you keep insisting on how your pioneer is cooler it comes across that way)
I just wanted to make sure everything was clear to other people that might be reading the thread -- there is no problem with the 608, because it quite simply is not hot.
post #1660 of 5274
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post


It sounds to me like you don't own the Onkyo 608... You are posting personal opinion here that I don't think is based in the reality of ownership. You are also making absolute statements regarding fan failure which you have no basis in reality with regarding this particular unit. There are units out there with fan cooling that are many years old.. for cryin out loud, man, I have servers that have run on the same fan for 10 years.

Do I have to post a serial number and pictures as a proof of ownership? Will that convince you, or anything short of agreeing with you is a proof that I am a fake?

My absolute statement about a fan is based on laws of nature. Mechanical moving parts. They wear out, get noisy/creaky and break. Ask your car mechanic. True, that did not happen with my Onkyo yet, it is pretty new. In fact the fan is less loud now than I was expecting, based on what some people said. But some people also said it got louder after first month. Even if they are all full of ****, and your servers run for 10 years on one fan, does it mean a fan can't break, or that you got lucky? I had cooling fans on CPU break. I am pretty sure this one can break too.
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Originally Posted by owlish View Post

Do I have to post a serial number and pictures as a proof of ownership? Will that convince you, or anything short of agreeing with you is a proof that I am a fake?

My absolute statement about a fan is based on laws of nature. Mechanical moving parts. They wear out, get noisy/creaky and break. Ask your car mechanic. True, that did not happen with my Onkyo yet, it is pretty new. In fact the fan is less loud now than I was expecting, based on what some people said. But some people also said it got louder after first month. Even if they are all full of ****, and your servers run for 10 years on one fan, does it mean a fan can't break, or that you got lucky? I had cooling fans on CPU break. I am pretty sure this one can break too.

You know, we've been nothing but polite with our posts regarding your commentary. Initilally, your posts sounded like an attack on the Onkyo, suggesting excessive heat.. whatever. Then, you decide to bring in words like "aroggant and condescending" (your spelling, not mine).. you need to read your own posts, because those two words describe your own wording.

The point we are making here, based on your original commentary, is the 608 does not get hot. That's it in a nutshell. End of story. What we are trying to avoid here is leading folks that are contemplating purchase to NOT be led into believing the 608 gets as hot as some previous Onkyo models do. That's why Onkyo put in a fan.

It's a GOOD thing. Not something to be dissed.
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But first... it does not run hot in any sense of the word!

I recently installed the Onkyo TX-SR608, and the thing is simply awesome. Love it! I know very, very little about these things, but I'm learning as I use it.

I don't think I have a problem with the volume, but I need to ask this. I don't hear any sound out of the speakers until the volume control shows about "30" or so. Listening to a movie, I will have the setting at about 60 or so. It's plenty loud... no problems... and I have no plans on exploring the upper limits! I could hear sound from my old Onkyo at about 15 or so. Is having to crank up the volume numbers on the 608 higher than my older one normal?

Like I said... probably a dumb question! BTW... my Onkyo speakers have never been changed. They are from my original Home Theater in a Box that had the ST6100 receiver.

Thanks for bearing with me!!
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post


Then, you decide to bring in words like "aroggant and condescending" (your spelling, not mine).. you need to read your own posts, because those two words describe your own wording.
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Funny that the person who made the statement that I have described with those horribly misspelled words has actually apologized above. Now you're trying to make it sound like I said something bad/impolite.

Whatever I said about Onkyo being hot was merely a compative statement about a product. I could not possibly have insulted anyone by saying anything about 608. It's just a silly box, not person. I did not even say it is a bad product. Yet somehow my statement about a product has prompted you to launch a personal attack, and you are still persisting with it. Why? Why are you so upset that something I said may dissuade someone from buying Onkyo? Perhaps your own motives are less than honorable.
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I've been searching like a madman and can't seem to find the answer:

PS3 slim control using HDMI-CEC from the receiver --- how much control does it provide? Is it enough to turn on/off the PS3, start/stop/pause a blu-ray? Navigate through any of the PS3 menus using directional commands?

I dropped over $200 on a Logitech 900...which is great. All components are tucked away and I control the 608 using the RF/IR extender system. I don't want to spend another $50 on the PS3 adapter, and want to use Harmony 900 to control the PS3 slim through the SR608 HDMI-CEC.
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Originally Posted by owlish View Post

Funny that the person who made the statement that I have described with those horribly misspelled words has actually apologized above. Now you're trying to make it sound like I said something bad/impolite.

Whatever I said about Onkyo being hot was merely a compative statement about a product. I could not possibly have insulted anyone by saying anything about 608. It's just a silly box, not person. I did not even say it is a bad product. Yet somehow my statement about a product has prompted you to launch a personal attack, and you are still persisting with it. Why? Why are you so upset that something I said may dissuade someone from buying Onkyo? Perhaps your own motives are less than honorable.

Whatever... as I said ... The point we are making here, based on your original commentary, is the 608 does not get hot. That's it in a nutshell. End of story. What we are trying to avoid here is leading folks that are contemplating purchase to NOT be led into believing the 608 gets as hot as some previous Onkyo models do. That's why Onkyo put in a fan.

The purpose of this forum is is provide information, much of it used by folks looking to buy. Your posts regarding the 608 are misleading. That's the point here. End of discussion.
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Originally Posted by mux1 View Post

I dropped over $200 on a Logitech 900...which is great. All components are tucked away and I control the 608 using the RF/IR extender system. I don't want to spend another $50 on the PS3 adapter, and want to use Harmony 900 to control the PS3 slim through the SR608 HDMI-CEC.

I hate to say it but buy the PS3 adapter. It's worth the money. I get full control of the PS3 with my Harmony One.
post #1667 of 5274
Just took the plunge for the HT-RC260 on Amazon - can't wait to hook it up!
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

The 608 does not get hot. I've owned the 606 for 2 years, and the 608 puts out the same amount of heat after 2 hours that the 606 put out when it was turned off. None.

I'll echo this statement.

I've been running my 6-8 non-stop since it was delivered, movies, games, music, etc. It's in an enclosed cabinet (Front door shut) though the back is open, it sits on a vented shelf with 4" clearance on each side and easily 8-9" for the top.

I can't hear the fan and it's never hot. I've felt it to be warmer than cool but that's with no AC on and it running for hours on end.
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Originally Posted by mux1 View Post

I've been searching like a madman and can't seem to find the answer:

PS3 slim control using HDMI-CEC from the receiver --- how much control does it provide? Is it enough to turn on/off the PS3, start/stop/pause a blu-ray? Navigate through any of the PS3 menus using directional commands?

I dropped over $200 on a Logitech 900...which is great. All components are tucked away and I control the 608 using the RF/IR extender system. I don't want to spend another $50 on the PS3 adapter, and want to use Harmony 900 to control the PS3 slim through the SR608 HDMI-CEC.

HDMI-CEC is pretty primitive. It only provides for on/off, input selection and volume control. Maybe more in theory, but I have yet to see one real implementation that would do anything more. I have seen Sony, Samsung, Pioneer, Panasonic and Onkyo.

Different vendors also treat it differenly. The on/off control can sometimes be "one way" (off only), depending on mix of components. Most will understand each other on volume and input switching, but they all tend to make wrong assumptions about your connections - when you turn on TV the receiver will switch to TV input, even if your cable/sat is on CBL/SAT input and nothing at all is connected to TV input. This can happen with a bit of delay, so you get a picture if receiver was already on right input, and then you lose it. This would drive your wife mad. Controlling PS3 - you can forget about that, even if you bought everything Sony.
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Hey thanks ... appreciate your response. I guess the PS3 slim CEC implementation is pretty much useless for me then.
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Originally Posted by mux1 View Post

Hey thanks ... appreciate your response. I guess the PS3 slim CEC implementation is pretty much useless for me then.

I'd agree, HDMI-CEC is probably only really useful if you aren't using a receiver and/or universal remote. I leave all HDMI-CEC options to off and let my harmony do the switching manually.
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Originally Posted by Tim Hess View Post


I'll echo this statement.

I've been running my 6-8 non-stop since it was delivered, movies, games, music, etc. It's in an enclosed cabinet (Front door shut) though the back is open, it sits on a vented shelf with 4" clearance on each side and easily 8-9" for the top.

I can't hear the fan and it's never hot. I've felt it to be warmer than cool but that's with no AC on and it running for hours on end.

You have reasonable clearance allowing for airflow. I do too. I can't hear the fan from viewing distance either and the heat is not bothering me. I hope that is clear to everyone.

But let's do a little math.

Onkyo 608 - 100 watts output, drawing 693 watts.
Pioneer 1020 - 80 watts output, drawing 240 watts.

Those numbers are from the official specs and output is measured to the same FTC standard (continuous, same distortion, frequent range, same output impedance). Let's equalize the draw per output, by multiplying 693x0.80 = 554.4 watts.

That is still 314.4 watts more than pioneer and more than the entire pioneer's draw. Where does that power go? It has to go somewhere, if you remember your physics class. If it does not go to the output, it can only go one place - HEAT. That is why Onkyo needs a fan.

So happy owners of 608 can continue saying what they say, but I suggest you buy pioneer, put them side by side and touch the top panel at the front after some usage. That is what I did, and that what has changed my perception of "hot". It might just change yours too. Onkyo appears to spend more energy on heating than Pioneer does on actually doing the amplification.

I am done talking here. Onkyo goes back.
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Originally Posted by owlish View Post

You have reasonable clearance allowing for airflow. I do too. I can't hear the fan from viewing distance either and the heat is not bothering me. I hope that is clear to everyone.

But let's do a little math.

Onkyo 608 - 100 watts output, drawing 693 watts.
Pioneer 1020 - 80 watts output, drawing 240 watts.

Those numbers are from the official specs and output is measured to the same FTC standard (continuous, same distortion, frequent range, same output impedance). Let's equalize the draw per output, by multiplying 693x0.80 = 554.4 watts.

That is still 314.4 watts more than pioneer and more than the entire pioneer's draw. Where does that power go? It has to go somewhere, if you remember your physics class. If it does not go to the output, it can only go one place - HEAT. That is why Onkyo needs a fan.

So happy owners of 608 can continue saying what they say, but I suggest you buy pioneer, put them side by side and touch the top panel at the front after some usage. That is what I did, and that what has changed my perception of "hot". It might just change yours too. Onkyo appears to spend more energy on heating than Pioneer does on actually doing the amplification.

I am done talking here. Onkyo goes back.

Owlish the first half of your post is interesting from a philosophical stand point, but your last paragraph is a bit of a non sequitur.

While it is probably true the pioneer runs cooler, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the 608. Temperature should not be a discriminating factor when choosing between the pioneer and the 608, because heat is not a problem in either unit. There are plenty of other differences between the pioneer and the 608 that can help in making the decision between them.

Its kind of like arguing over the depth of the units. The Onkyo is only 13 inches deep while the Pioneer is 15 inches deep. [sarcasm on] The Onkyo is clearly superior because of its shorter depth and no one should ever buy the pioneer. [sarcasm off] Well guess what depth isn't a problem for either unit so why would you even use it in your purchase decision?

One more time: heat is a complete non issue with this unit, it does not get hot.
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Originally Posted by smaddd View Post

But first... it does not run hot in any sense of the word!

I recently installed the Onkyo TX-SR608, and the thing is simply awesome. Love it! I know very, very little about these things, but I'm learning as I use it.

I don't think I have a problem with the volume, but I need to ask this. I don't hear any sound out of the speakers until the volume control shows about "30" or so. Listening to a movie, I will have the setting at about 60 or so. It's plenty loud... no problems... and I have no plans on exploring the upper limits! I could hear sound from my old Onkyo at about 15 or so. Is having to crank up the volume numbers on the 608 higher than my older one normal?

Like I said... probably a dumb question! BTW... my Onkyo speakers have never been changed. They are from my original Home Theater in a Box that had the ST6100 receiver.

Thanks for bearing with me!!

I used to see the same thing before I switched to the THX scale and some other people have posted the same thing, so yes its normal. I think that kind of highlights one of the problems with the 0 to 99 scales -- they are different on every model, but absolutely nothing to worry about.

When you are using the db scale you know -30db is the same in my house as it is in your house even across different models. (in the listening position on properly calibrated units)
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Originally Posted by DaveHCYJ View Post

I used to see the same thing before I switched to the THX scale and some other people have posted the same thing, so yes its normal. I think that kind of highlights one of the problems with the 0 to 99 scales -- they are different on every model, but absolutely nothing to worry about.

When you are using the db scale you know -30db is the same in my house as it is in your house even across different models. (in the listening position on properly calibrated units)

+1 .. over the last 10 years, every AVR I've owned seemed to have a different scale. Every time I upgraded, I had to get used to something different. And after coming from analog and manual controls (yes, back in the day you actually had to get out of the chair to get a receiver to do anything) .. it was really tough. Back in the 1960's and 70's.. most audiophiles considered anything over a 12 o'clock gain overlimit.

Flashforward .. on a 1-99 scale, hitting 65 - 70 for an average level that I like on the 608 bothered me... even though I knew the unit still had plenty of headroom.

I'm sure when I upgrade again, I'll have to get used to a whole new scale.
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I'm having trouble getting the PC Input to work properly. I'm connecting a Mac G5 Tower and I can't get a signal via the PC Input. The Mac shows I'm connected to a TX-SR608 in the display preferences but the receiver is showing an "UNKNOWN" RGB input. Any ideas?

I've also tried a DVI->HDMI cable which works, but I'd like to see if I can get the PC input to work as well.
post #1677 of 5274
I am trying to decide between the 260 and the 608. Right now I can get the the 260 for about 100 less than what the 608 is currently going for. I know there are sales sometimes on the 608 which still brings it to about 50 more. Comparing the 2 on Onkyo's website says THX is the only difference. Does anyone know of any other differences and should I go with the 260 or get the 608? I also don't have to have this right away but its on sale. Thanks for any advice you can offer.
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Originally Posted by DaveHCYJ View Post

Owlish the first half of your post is interesting from a philosophical stand point, but your last paragraph is a bit of a non sequitur.

While it is probably true the pioneer runs cooler, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the 608. Temperature should not be a discriminating factor when choosing between the pioneer and the 608, because heat is not a problem in either unit. There are plenty of other differences between the pioneer and the 608 that can help in making the decision between them.

Its kind of like arguing over the depth of the units. The Onkyo is only 13 inches deep while the Pioneer is 15 inches deep. [sarcasm on] The Onkyo is clearly superior because of its shorter depth and no one should ever buy the pioneer. [sarcasm off] Well guess what depth isn't a problem for either unit so why would you even use it in your purchase decision?

One more time: heat is a complete non issue with this unit, it does not get hot.

Actually there probably are people who will consider depth a factor. Maybe it does not fit into their space. And why should not heat & power drain be a factor in a decision? Even more fundamentally, why do you think you can decide whether something should or should not be a factor for everyone else?

I think everything is a factor. Which factors matter to whom, is different story. For me it is a factor. Wasting energy, more so than the actual heat (the heat is merely a sign of wasted energy). To people who don't care about that, I say you will love 608. It is very nice and has many merits. Great sound, most flexible input assignment system of anything I have seen, OSD, THX, etc. But I just can't make myself live with a receiver that spends more on heating & cooling itself than on doing useful work. That's just me, call me an efficiency freak. Everyone else can make their own decisions.
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Originally Posted by suuupra View Post

I'm having trouble getting the PC Input to work properly. I'm connecting a Mac G5 Tower and I can't get a signal via the PC Input. The Mac shows I'm connected to a TX-SR608 in the display preferences but the receiver is showing an "UNKNOWN" RGB input. Any ideas?

I've also tried a DVI->HDMI cable which works, but I'd like to see if I can get the PC input to work as well.

Its a PC input not a Mac input

Just kidding -- check out one of the last couple pages of the owner's manual. There is a list of supported resolutions under a table about up-scaling. Make sure you are using one of those resolutions. 1920x1080 is what I use on my laptop, but then again I'm using hdmi.
post #1680 of 5274
Thanks DaveHCYJ and mgkdragn. Your responses are appreciated and relieve any apprehension I had!
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