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post #1831 of 5217
6/14/10 at 10:17am
Hi all, Just purchased my TX-SR608 last night and started looking at manual and my eyes hurt. I never heard of front high and wide. LOL I have speakers set up already(5.1) room is approx 18x14 just have too switch out receivers, want to read manual and receive any input or advice I can get. Speakers are Acoustech PL-76 system with PL-200 subwoofer. Thanks
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post #1832 of 5217
6/14/10 at 10:34am
This reply might be late but I purchased 15' Mediabridge HDMI 1.4 cables at Amazon for $15. I just got my tx-sr608 last night.
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post #1833 of 5217
6/14/10 at 12:13pm
I wanted to add a definition to one of the notorious "clicks" this receiver makes. I found out what the random click is. More clearly the one it makes when it isn't being turned on/off or when a audio codec is being changed (5.1 to 2.0.) Some have noted they have heard a random click yet the receiver shows no signs of anything happening.

Well I figured it out, and maybe someone else has as well, but I haven't seen anyone put a claim to it yet. The click is the fan kicking on. I did an experiment once I had my ideas and sat next to the receiver. Turned it on from a cold start and felt above the receiver for fan air flow, none felt. About 30 minutes of playing a game (5.1) at normal volume (-30 db) I heard the click. No change in codec (still 5.1) and power still on, but now there was a slight breeze above the receiver. After doing that it will kick on and off randomly, which I assume is just like what an automatic fan does in a car. The fan kicks in when it needs a little more flow than it is getting to keep cool. Hope this helps anyone that was worried or wondering what the click was that was unrelated to the normal reason for the receiver to click.
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post #1834 of 5217
6/14/10 at 2:15pm
Anyone notice any problems with the HMDI inputs on the back. If I just barely wiggle an HDMI cable in the back (HDMI OUT to TV) and I lose the picture. It goes to blue or black or tells me there is no input. If I keep wiggle the cable the picture will come back on if I hold it in just he right position. Sounds like I have a faulty unit or bad cable? Anyone want to try their HDMI connection to TV and let me know. I have double checked the connection and it is not lose. Thank you
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post #1835 of 5217
6/14/10 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by dillsley View Post

Anyone notice any problems with the HMDI inputs on the back. If I just barely wiggle an HDMI cable in the back (HDMI OUT to TV) and I lose the picture. It goes to blue or black or tells me there is no input. If I keep wiggle the cable the picture will come back on if I hold it in just he right position. Sounds like I have a faulty unit or bad cable? Anyone want to try their HDMI connection to TV and let me know. I have double checked the connection and it is not lose. Thank you

Haven't run into any issues with mine. I'm assuming you tried another cable though? Might want to exchange it.. or.. don't wiggle it?
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post #1836 of 5217
6/14/10 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by dillsley View Post

Anyone notice any problems with the HMDI inputs on the back. If I just barely wiggle an HDMI cable in the back (HDMI OUT to TV) and I lose the picture. It goes to blue or black or tells me there is no input. If I keep wiggle the cable the picture will come back on if I hold it in just he right position. Sounds like I have a faulty unit or bad cable? Anyone want to try their HDMI connection to TV and let me know. I have double checked the connection and it is not lose. Thank you

FYI - HDMI cables are not meant to play with. On every unit they are fragile.
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post #1837 of 5217
6/14/10 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

fyi - hdmi cables are not meant to play with. On every unit they are fragile.

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post #1838 of 5217
6/14/10 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by dillsley View Post

Anyone notice any problems with the HMDI inputs on the back. If I just barely wiggle an HDMI cable in the back (HDMI OUT to TV) and I lose the picture. It goes to blue or black or tells me there is no input. If I keep wiggle the cable the picture will come back on if I hold it in just he right position. Sounds like I have a faulty unit or bad cable? Anyone want to try their HDMI connection to TV and let me know. I have double checked the connection and it is not lose. Thank you

Sorry, no. I don't want to wiggle my cable in an attempt to create a problem.. sheesh .. what's next..??
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post #1839 of 5217
6/14/10 at 3:45pm
I posted earlier that I had emailed Onkyo about the DIAL NORM +\\- thing. Well, here is Onkyo's reply:

Thank You for contacting Onkyo USA Product Support.

We apologize for the delay in responding to your email. We are experiencing a heavy volume of inquiries. We appreciate your patience and understanding.

Dialogue Normalization (Dialog Norm) is a feature of Dolby Digital. Dialog normalization is a function of Dolby Digital that is used to correct the playback level of soundtracks that have been recorded at an unusually high or low level. It works automatically and no user intervention is required. It appears on the display just to let you know that it’s working. Dialogue Normalization serves to let you know if the source material has been recorded at a higher or lower level than usual. This data is automatically used by the Dolby Digital decoder to adjust the output volume of the source material without affecting the volume of your amplifier. Therefore, even if the source material volume changes, you will not have to adjust the volume on your amplifier.

Thanks,
Jose


That's pretty much what was stated in the article about Dolby Dial Norm that someone else had posted.
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post #1840 of 5217
6/14/10 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Here is a cut and paste of posts that are turning up at other threads and other forums ..

"I was considering getting an Onkyo but I recently heard they over heat and aren't good if your keeping it in a cabinet.. Anyone have trouble with their onkyo?"

The misleading information being posted on this thread is definitely being picked up and swaying folks into believing the 608 is somehow sub par. This is sad, considering that it's simply not true.

The whole point of the heat or lack thereof discussion causes an otherwise great unit to suffer, because human nature picks up on this as a fault. As I've said before, folks use AVS and other forums to make a buying choice. They tend to focus on what they feel are the downsides.

You are allowed to post pretty much whatever on AVS (within the rules).. just keep in mind that others will dwell on that info, especially the negative. If your intent is to trash the 608, then it seems to be working, unfortunately.

I agree completely with you. I was dealing with this very topic several posts back with very a "frustrating" individual. I wish the moderator could go through and delete all of the silly, redundant posts about NON-Heat issues.
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post #1841 of 5217
6/14/10 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by Xerowarp View Post

I posted earlier that I had emailed Onkyo about the DIAL NORM +\\- thing. Well, here is Onkyo's reply:

Thank You for contacting Onkyo USA Product Support.

We apologize for the delay in responding to your email. We are experiencing a heavy volume of inquiries. We appreciate your patience and understanding.

Dialogue Normalization (Dialog Norm) is a feature of Dolby Digital. Dialog normalization is a function of Dolby Digital that is used to correct the playback level of soundtracks that have been recorded at an unusually high or low level. It works automatically and no user intervention is required. It appears on the display just to let you know that it's working. Dialogue Normalization serves to let you know if the source material has been recorded at a higher or lower level than usual. This data is automatically used by the Dolby Digital decoder to adjust the output volume of the source material without affecting the volume of your amplifier. Therefore, even if the source material volume changes, you will not have to adjust the volume on your amplifier.

Thanks,
Jose


That's pretty much what was stated in the article about Dolby Dial Norm that someone else had posted.

I have seen Pioneer do the same thing, same message.
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post #1842 of 5217
6/14/10 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by Xerowarp View Post

I agree completely with you. I was dealing with this very topic several posts back with very a "frustrating" individual. I wish the moderator could go through and delete all of the silly, redundant posts about NON-Heat issues.

Would not it be nice if moderator just deleted posts of anyone who holds an opinion different from yours.

Heat or NON-heat, however you want to call it. It's a characteristic of equipment, just like everything else, and people have every right to discuss and compare it. Just because you hate to hear that, does not make them silly.

No, Onkyo 608 will not overheat and burn your house. Yes, Onkyo 608 will be hotter than competing models from Pioneer or Denon, even while sitting idle and not producing any sound. Yes, you will see the difference on your electric bill. It just draws more per watt of output, plain and simple.
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post #1843 of 5217
6/14/10 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by pestocat View Post

I was trying to show a slideshow from a laptop. I connected the HDMI to VCR/DVD input and selected the laptop to display on the other device or something like for the popup display message. The laptop screen went black but no display on the TV. I had to change the cable to the HDMI input on the TV to do the slideshow. What did I do wrong.
Thank you

I tried this again except I connected the HDMI cable to the AUX connector on the front of the 608. This time it worked just fine. Is there a difference between the AUX and VCR/DVD HDMI inputs as to the handshaking?
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post #1844 of 5217
6/14/10 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by owlish View Post

Would not it be nice if moderator just deleted posts of anyone who holds an opinion different from yours.

Heat or NON-heat, however you want to call it. It's a characteristic of equipment, just like everything else, and people have every right to discuss and compare it. Just because you hate to hear that, does not make them silly.

No, Onkyo 608 will not overheat and burn your house. Yes, Onkyo 608 will be hotter than competing models from Pioneer or Denon, even while sitting idle and not producing any sound. Yes, you will see the difference on your electric bill. It just draws more per watt of output, plain and simple.

Case in point.
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post #1845 of 5217
6/14/10 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by Xerowarp View Post

Case in point.

You could say so. My Samsung 58" plasma with Pioneer 1020 combined, still draw less juice than 608 alone...
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post #1846 of 5217
6/15/10 at 5:31am
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Originally Posted by owlish View Post

You could say so. My Samsung 58" plasma with Pioneer 1020 combined, still draw less juice than 608 alone...

This is definitely an individual thats either, a Fanboy with a sever personality disorder or, someone paid by Pioneer to troll the boards and slander the competition.
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post #1847 of 5217
6/15/10 at 5:33am
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Originally Posted by Xerowarp View Post

This is definitely an individual thats either, a Fanboy with a sever personality disorder or, someone paid by Pioneer to troll the boards and slander the competition.

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post #1848 of 5217
6/15/10 at 6:18am
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Originally Posted by owlish View Post

You could say so. My Samsung 58" plasma with Pioneer 1020 combined, still draw less juice than 608 alone...

I have a 605 and a 63" Sammy plasma...
I can run my projector (Epson 8500UB), receiver @ about 60, and my Blu-Ray STB and they still draw LESS than the plasma alone. I doubt the 608 draws THAT much more than the 605.
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post #1849 of 5217
6/15/10 at 6:32am
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Originally Posted by Tim Hess View Post

It was for me too but I couldn't wait and thought I could do with out it.

That said, I'm returning my 608 and now I am on the fence about the 708 vs. 808, know they both have pre-outs I'm not sure the 808 is worth the higher price.

808 features over the 708:
Front cover
Multi-Zone features
Extra hdmi output in Europe
Better remote?
Optical input on the front
OSD via all video outputs compared to the 708 being HDMI only
Wattage boost of 25
Different Audessy
Internet radio
component upscaling




Tim,
To the best of my knowledge, based on the product description, the TX-SR608 upscales all connected deviced-analog video, component video, etc- to 1080p for output via HDMI. I assume the upgraded 708 is capable of the same.
So, when you say "Component Upscaling" I assume that you mean upscaling of any video source output via component, right?
Thanks.
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post #1850 of 5217
6/15/10 at 7:16am
I was hoping to get some opinions as I'm seriously trying to decide between the Pioneer VSX-1020-K and the Onkyo TX-SR608 to replace my Onkyo TX-SR605 (I must have something with more HDMI outputs at this time.)
On paper, I like everything about the Onkyo better than the Pioneer except for the Farjouda video processing.
Which leads to two questions:
1) How good is the Farjouda at upconverting/upscaling analog video sources? I am trying to simplify my setup since I run a Projector (8500UB) and a Plasma (PN63A760) and want to output all components via HDMI. However, I still watch Laserdisc occassionally and my wife plays Wii frequently. Is the comb-filtering and de-interlacing any good on the Farjouda? I know it USED to be the reference, but times have certainly changed.
& 2) How bad are the video processing issues, really? How many frames are dropped with 1080p 24hz? What kind and how severe/frequent are the artifacts that people are seeing?
If these are rare occurence of low severity/noticeability, I feel like I can "tough it out" for the extra feature and power of the Onkyo, but if these issues are very frequent and noticeable, it might drive me insane.
Thanks in advance for any input!
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post #1851 of 5217
6/15/10 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by Xerowarp View Post


This is definitely an individual thats either, a Fanboy with a sever personality disorder or, someone paid by Pioneer to troll the boards and slander the competition.

Of course, anyone holding an opinion different from yours must be up to no good.

Why don't you check my posts in the 1020 thread. You will find they don't look like I am paid by Pioneer. It has it's own problems and I am not shy to talk about them. But power efficiency is not one of them.

What I said here is not an opinion. It is a factual statement, backed by product specs. Go treat your own disorder - it is called "inability to face the truth".
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post #1852 of 5217
6/15/10 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by SaxCatz View Post


I have a 605 and a 63" Sammy plasma...
I can run my projector (Epson 8500UB), receiver @ about 60, and my Blu-Ray STB and they still draw LESS than the plasma alone. I doubt the 608 draws THAT much more than the 605.

PN58C7000 - 440W
VSX-1020K - 240W
Total - 680W

Onkyo 608 - 6.3A * 120V = 756W.

You still doubt?
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post #1853 of 5217
6/15/10 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by SaxCatz View Post

I was hoping to get some opinions as I'm seriously trying to decide between the Pioneer VSX-1020-K and the Onkyo TX-SR608 to replace my Onkyo TX-SR605 (I must have something with more HDMI outputs at this time.)
On paper, I like everything about the Onkyo better than the Pioneer except for the Farjouda video processing.
Which leads to two questions:
1) How good is the Farjouda at upconverting/upscaling analog video sources? I am trying to simplify my setup since I run a Projector (8500UB) and a Plasma (PN63A760) and want to output all components via HDMI. However, I still watch Laserdisc occassionally and my wife plays Wii frequently. Is the comb-filtering and de-interlacing any good on the Farjouda? I know it USED to be the reference, but times have certainly changed.
& 2) How bad are the video processing issues, really? How many frames are dropped with 1080p 24hz? What kind and how severe/frequent are the artifacts that people are seeing?
If these are rare occurence of low severity/noticeability, I feel like I can "tough it out" for the extra feature and power of the Onkyo, but if these issues are very frequent and noticeable, it might drive me insane.
Thanks in advance for any input!

I bought the 608 for one reason - my previous AVR would not do 1080p
Video Processing. I have been a Farjouda user since 1996, when at that
time I paid $25K for their Video Processor to scale 480i to 1080p for use
in my CRT based Theater.

It may not be the best on the PLANET - but I'm perfectly Happy with the
608 Video Processing. I am not aware of loosing anything as you refer to.
Most issues are with the PJ and HDMI handshake.

FYI - no one should be using 1080p24fps UNLESS the Source is 1080p24fps.
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post #1854 of 5217
6/15/10 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by owlish View Post

PN58C7000 - 440W
VSX-1020K - 240W
Total - 680W

Onkyo 608 - 6.3A * 120V = 756W.

You still doubt?

It would be helpful to know what load the 608 was being driven under and at what gain they used to derive the power consumption. As well, the THD specs on the Pioneer and the Onkyo don't match, so I don't know if there is really a way to do a fully fair power consumption comparison.
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6/15/10 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by SaxCatz View Post

I was hoping to get some opinions as I'm seriously trying to decide between the Pioneer VSX-1020-K and the Onkyo TX-SR608 to replace my Onkyo TX-SR605 (I must have something with more HDMI outputs at this time.)
On paper, I like everything about the Onkyo better than the Pioneer except for the Farjouda video processing.
Which leads to two questions:
1) How good is the Farjouda at upconverting/upscaling analog video
...
2) How bad are the video processing issues, really? How many frames are dropped with 1080p 24hz? What kind and how severe/frequent are the artifacts that people are seeing?
If these are rare occurence of low severity/noticeability, I feel like I can "tough it out" for the extra feature and power of the Onkyo, but if these issues are very frequent and noticeable, it might drive me insane.
Thanks in advance for any input!

1) ABT in 1020 is better than Farjouda in 608. Lot of jaggies.
2) I don't see any. Some other people don't see any, and some people do. I suspect a TV being used has to do with this.

If you care very much about video upscaling quality, Denon 891 is a better choice than either 1020 or 608. It has newer & better ABT scaling chip. Costs more too, yet does not have THX. Can't have everything.
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post #1856 of 5217
6/15/10 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post


It would be helpful to know what load the 608 was being driven under and at what gain they used to derive the power consumption. As well, the THD specs on the Pioneer and the Onkyo don't match, so I don't know if there is really a way to do a fully fair power consumption comparison.

I believe both vendors measure draw under maximum advertised load. That would make sense, no?

The THD specs do match, if you chose matching ones. FTC defines the way power rating must be advertised.
1020 - 80W, 0.08% THD
608 - 100W, 0.08% THD
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post #1857 of 5217
6/15/10 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by owlish View Post

PN58C7000 - 440W
VSX-1020K - 240W
Total - 680W

Onkyo 608 - 6.3A * 120V = 756W.

You still doubt?

For Your Information Mr. Engineer - you are looking at the IDLE Power
Draw Doing NOTHING at all. The 240W is the IDLE Draw from the Pioneer
Manual which I downloaded PAGE 127.

The 1020 has 8 channels of 110 watts - 8 times 110 watts in my MATH
BOOK with 100% Efficiency is 880 Watts - NOT 245 that you are reading.
No One Specifies how people quote power draw. Some like Pioneer state
the Minimum Draw and others State the MAXIMUM Draw.
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post #1858 of 5217
6/15/10 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

For Your Information Mr. Engineer - you are looking at the IDLE Power
Draw Doing NOTHING at all. The 240W is the IDLE Draw from the Pioneer
Manual which I downloaded PAGE 127.

The 1020 has 8 channels of 110 watts - 8 times 110 watts in my MATH
BOOK with 100% Efficiency is 880 Watts - NOT 245 that you are reading.
No One Specifies how people quote power draw. Some like Pioneer state
the Minimum Draw and others State the MAXIMUM Draw.

Owlish = Owned!

Ok, since everyone is in such a tissy over this, I'll throw my power meter on the 608 and run it at various levels with a 5.1 8ohm load and see what it averages driving all channel stereo. Then I'll do it on my 1007 and see what it says.

And I've kept my mouth shut over the heat, but I agree it's not hot. It get's warm, less than my dvr's. It's by no means hot and should not sway your decision unless you are completely enclosing it with less than an inch of space on any side. My old pioneer was much warmer and had a fan, hell my crappy RCA HTIB got warmer after a few hours!
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post #1859 of 5217
6/15/10 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post


For Your Information Mr. Engineer - you are looking at the IDLE Power
Draw Doing NOTHING at all. The 240W is the IDLE Draw from the Pioneer
Manual which I downloaded PAGE 127.

Maybe you found some secret manual. Please post the URL then.

The manual I have, and the one on Pioneer site say "Power consumption: 245W". I guess I was off by 5W, my bad.

There is no "IDLE draw" anywhere, and it would be pointless to even put that into specs. They do specify standby draw, which is less than 1W.
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post #1860 of 5217
6/15/10 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by michaelahess View Post


Owlish = Owned!

Maybe throw your power meter at it first. Looks like you have reached your conclusion before actually doing anything.
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