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Antenna facing New Orleans ... recieves Baton Rouge stations ?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
Two older TV's ... not HDTV.
Using converter boxes on both.
Outdoor rado shack antenna.

New Orleans approx 60 to 70 miles away.
Baton Rouge approx 70 to 80 miles away.
B.R. would be North ... N.O. would be East.

Antenna facing New Orleans .... TV/Converter box will NOT receive or recognize New Orleans channels.
It only programs and recieves Baton Rouge channels .... even though antenna
is facing New Orleans.

I'm asking this for someone else ... I know his antenna is facing correct way, because I also have one and it faces New Orleans and I only receive
N.O. channels.

He tried a new Phillips antenna with same results on both TV's.

Anyone ever come across something like this or know what causes it ?
post #2 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by lacogada View Post

Two older TV's ... not HDTV.
Using converter boxes on both.
Outdoor rado shack antenna.

New Orleans approx 60 to 70 miles away.
Baton Rouge approx 70 to 80 miles away.
B.R. would be North ... N.O. would be East.

Antenna facing New Orleans .... TV/Converter box will NOT receive or recognize New Orleans channels.
It only programs and recieves Baton Rouge channels .... even though antenna
is facing New Orleans.

I'm asking this for someone else ... I know his antenna is facing correct way, because I also have one and it faces New Orleans and I only receive
N.O. channels.

He tried a new Phillips antenna with same results on both TV's.

Anyone ever come across something like this or know what causes it ?

If you don't find advice here try the local threads.

New Orleans discussions are found here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=357741

Baton Rouge discussions are found here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=445701
post #3 of 26
Your friend could be getting a reflected signal off a nearby building. That same building could also be blocking his NO signal. Are there any tall structures nearby?
post #4 of 26
Possibly the NO channels are UHF channels and the BR channels are VHF channels and he only has a VHF antenna. Has your friend confirmed that the type of antenna he has will receive the actual frequencids of the NO channels?
Does his antenna have liine of site to any UHF NO channels?
post #5 of 26
Thread Starter 
We basically have the same antenna ... mine being newer.
I catch all N.O. channels.
My understanding is channels 2 to 13 or VHF ... above that UHF.
With our local channels being 4, 6, 8. (B.R. channels would be 2 and 9)

I catch 2, 4, 6, 8, 12, 26, 32, 49(4), and 54 all form outdoor antenna.

There are no highrise's in our country area, flat terrain.

My friend does catch the B.R. stations good, although antenna faces N.O.

He wants N.O. channels .... we just cannot understand why his will not recognize the N.O. channels and mine does ... we approx a 1/4 mile apart.

Possibly something with the converter boxes ?

Thanks for the replys.
post #6 of 26
What is your Zip code? Your digital channel names may be 2-2, 4-2 etc but very likely their actual channel frequencies are very different. Check with antennaweb.org using your street address.
post #7 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by lacogada View Post

My friend does catch the B.R. stations good, although antenna faces N.O.

He wants N.O. channels .... we just cannot understand why his will not recognize the N.O. channels and mine does ... we approx a 1/4 mile apart.

Possibly something with the converter boxes ?

Thanks for the replys.

There might be something to that since not all converter boxes are created equal.

What converter box brands/models do you and your friend have?

Another thought, temporarily swap converter boxes with your friend to compare their performance. With the change in location, even a short distance, it might be necessary to run a new channel scan.
post #8 of 26
Thread Starter 
Our zip is 70301.

I have a HDTV .... and many channels are as you say.
I think I actually have :

ch 2 (4)
ch 4 (2)
ch 6 (2)
ch 8 (2)
ch 49 (4)

though I manually removed the extras that didn't play in HD.

My TV is a Samsung 40" with 2 RF inputs, plays great.

My friend has older non-HDTV units and uses the converter boxes.

Just cannot figure why his will not recieve/recognize the N.O. channels.

Thanks
post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 
I'm not using converter boxes.
I have a direct line from my outdoor antenna to 1 RF input.

My friend uses the converter boxe's with his older TV units.
Didn't notice the brand, but I'm pretty sure it was the free ones that were given to anyone.
post #10 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by lacogada View Post

I'm not using converter boxes.
I have a direct line from my outdoor antenna to 1 RF input.

My friend uses the converter boxe's with his older TV units.
Didn't notice the brand, but I'm pretty sure it was the free ones that were given to anyone.

Antennaweb.org gave this report with your Zip Code: "There are no stations predicted to serve this location."

TVFool.com was more encouraging:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...b7c878588eb654
post #11 of 26
Post in the local threads for NOLA & BR. Lots of helpful folks there, especially the NOLA thread.

All of the NOLA channels are UHF except one of the PBS stations. Some of them still use their old analog channel numbers for IDs, like WWL 4 & WDSU 6, which were in the VHF band on analog.
post #12 of 26
Thread Starter 
DigaDo ... thanks for that link , interesting.

Seems the channel he mainly wants to catch, WWL CBS is only 45 miles away.

I tried finding the specific New Orleans section earlier, but seems i could not start a new thread, I'll try it again.

A specific link to where I should post would be very helpful.

Think I'll try bring one of his converter boxes to my house and try on my old
analog TV and my outdoor antenna.
If mine does not catch the N.O. channels, then we'll say its the converter.


Thanks for all replys.
post #13 of 26
Thread Starter 
Went to folder directly above this folder.....

HDTV Info Reception .... clicked on New Orleans thread.

Could not start new thread .... only replys.
post #14 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by lacogada View Post

Went to folder directly above this folder.....

HDTV Info Reception .... clicked on New Orleans thread.

Could not start new thread .... only replys.

That's because the thread you want is entitled "New Orleans." That, and the "Baton Rouge" thread are found within the Local HDTV Info and Reception sub-forum.

Once you're viewing the "New Orleans" or "Baton Rouge" threads go down near the foot of the page and use the box to post your inquiry. Then, when visiting either of those threads go to the last page or click the down arrow icon just to the left of the thread title to go to the newest posts.

The Local HDTV Info and Reception sub-forum containing those threads is found here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=45

The New Orleans thread is currently found on page one. The Baton Rouge thread is currently found on page five. Arxaw and I have posted direct links to both those threads.
post #15 of 26
Two observations based on the TV fool data.
1. CBS channel WWL-DT whose name is channel 4-1 is actually broadcast on UHF channel 26.
2. The NO and BR towers appear to be in exactluy opposite directions. Is it possible the friend has the "back" of his antenna pointed at NO instead of the Front?
post #16 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by lacogada View Post

Went to folder directly above this folder.....

HDTV Info Reception .... clicked on New Orleans thread.

Could not start new thread .... only replys.

That's the whole idea there - you post in existing threads ONLY.
post #17 of 26
Thread Starter 
Walford .... his antenna is positioned same as mine and I catche all N.O. channnels.

We both have radio shack antennas.
My largest/widest/horizontal end is farthest from N.O.
Smaller end which also has the 2 sections that angle up/down is closest to N.O.


DigaDo ... thanks for that link ... I'll check it out.
post #18 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by lacogada View Post

Went to folder directly above this folder.....

HDTV Info Reception .... clicked on New Orleans thread.

Could not start new thread .... only replys.

You don't start a new thread. You post a new message in the NOLA thread by clicking REPLY, at the bottom of the last page of the thread.
post #19 of 26
Is your friend using a signal amplifier on his antenna line? If yes try without it since it may be overloading the digital tuner.
Is there any possiblity that your friend's antenna has some structure blocking it'ts line of site view to the NO towers that does not clock yours?
post #20 of 26
I can't help but notice that both of the BR stations this guy recieves actually do broadcast on VHF, 9 and 13 I believe, whereas all the NOLA stations, including 4, 6, and 8 broadcast on UHF. Meanwhile, two BR stations which do broadcast on UHF, and are predicted by TVfool to have the strongest signals at his location are apparently not recieved. RS all-channel antennas have notoriously bad UHF reception while doing fairly well on VHF. I would wager that prior to the digital transition, the guy did not recieve the NOLA UHF stations such as WGNO. If there is a pre-amp on the antenna, there is also a chance it only passes VHF, which would block out all UHF. I'd also check the lead-in---if it is 300 ohm flat ribbon, that would really be doing a number on UHF. Otherwise, I'd suggest something like a Channel Master 4228 with R6 lead, then add a UHF preamp if that wasn't sufficent.
post #21 of 26
Seems to me the obvious move to make is have the friend turn his antenna and have it point in the opposite direction.

I know it's been said "It's already pointing in the same diretion as mine", but sometimes you might be surprised with this stuff.

We know the thing appears to be pointing towards New Orleans and yet is getting channels from the opposite direction.

Simple solution. TURN THE THING AROUND. Have it point in the direction you THINK is Baton Rouge, and see what happens.

It just might start getting New Orleans.

Couldn't hurt, since the thing sure isn't doing what he wants it to now.

I also wonder if a higher mounting point might be helpful. Another length or two of mast...
post #22 of 26
I doubt turning the antenna would help. If it is a yagi the pickup is almost the same from rear as it is from front. Maybe a little stronger from front but not enough to block stations.


I agree with others that its a VHF vs UHF problem.
post #23 of 26
Just make absolutely sure the antenna is facing the right direction:
post #24 of 26
Based on the OP, he should also be receiving at least 2 Class A's to the west-north west of him if he is near Amelia..

KFOL/KJUN on channel 30.1, RF 7 in Morgan City and RF 30 to east in Houma, LA, and KWBJ channel 22 in Morgan City.
post #25 of 26
Thread Starter 
arxaw .... both of our antennas are postioned the way you are showing in picture.

We are a little North of Houma/Morgan City.

Flat terrian out in country ... no close-by obstructions.

Though mine is probably 20' higher than his.

Thanks for all replys/suggestions ... we'll try something out this weekend and I'll post if a solution is found.
post #26 of 26
Did you confirm that your friend is not using a signal amplifiere of any kind to his TV/Comverter box? Since if he is then NO digital channels could overlaod the tuner and not be received and the BR channels aftrer being amplified could be received.
Can you borrow your friends DTV/converter box and try is with your antenna and TV to see if you get the same result with your TV when using the TTV/Converter output signal?
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