Crosstalk with LCD Shutter Glasses - Are you seeing it?

I'm curious about the experiences others are having with crosstalk (ghosting) with LCD shutter glasses. I've seen 3 types of 3D demos so far that use shutter glasses: a Mitsubishi DLP rear projector running a demo reel from a computer; the Samsung 7000 LCD 3D HDTV; and, the Panasonic VT20 3D plasma (both playing Full HD 3D Blu-ray). Both the Mitsubishi DLP and the Samsung had obvious and distracting crosstalk between the two eye views. The Panasonic plasma had none (with the possible exception of one shot, which I'll double check tomorrow).

I've read a few posts in which people say they don't see any crosstalk with the Samsung 7000 3D LCD. I can't NOT see it and I'd really like to know what the prevailing impression is. It certainly isn't my experience, after seeing 4 or 5 demos in 3 different Best Buy stores.

Crosstalk is a complete deal breaker for me. So far, the plasma is the only display that hasn't had it, so it's at the top of my list of 3D solutions (until a great 3D front projector comes along).

I'm curious what other people are seeing.

BTW, the Panasonic demo gave me real hope for shutter glasses. After the Mitsubishi and Samsung demos, I was beginning to fear that crosstalk was always going to be present with shutter glasses. I'd much rather find a shutter glass solution in a projector, because I like my DaLite High Power front projection screen so much. I'd rather not have to worry about putting up a silver screen for passive glasses. The HP is a great screen, and I'd like to keep it when that great 3D front projector comes along. The HP wouldn't work at all for passive 3D viewing. It can't maintain polarization from a projector.

I found a Panasonic description of how their shutter glasses work. Apparently, there's a period during the plasma switching in which both lenses are shut and the plasma is displaying nothing at all. They claim that it's this period that prevents crosstalk of the two images. It makes sense. If LCD shutter glasses don't have such a blanking period, the syncing would have to be absolutely perfect for crosstalk not to occur. I found the Panasonic pages that talk about this, then couldn't find them again when I went back looking for them. If anyone stumbles across the description, I'd appreciate a link.

I didn't have a lot of time to watch the Panasonic today. There were several people there, and they were all excited about the demo. I gave up the glasses quickly, not wanting to monopolize them. I did think I saw some really minor ghosting, but it was absolutely nothing compared to the Samsung.

Overall, the experience of sitting and watching the Panasonic could be breathtaking - more like looking out a window than anything I've ever experienced on an HDTV. The Samsung usually couldn't go for more than a minute or so (usually a lot less) before the crosstalk hit me in the face, no matter what kind of content was on the screen. That's sad, because when the ghosts are not there, the Samsung can look stunning, too.

Another bad thing about that scene is the suspension cables. I see the regular solid 3D cables, and two ghost images on either side of them. It's like a punch in the gut - it takes me right out of the movie and reminds me of how the illusion is created.

After seeing the Panasonic display again today, I did pick up on a couple of minor instances of ghosting in dark scenes with some high contrast highlights. It was very minor, though.

I convinced the manager of the Best Buy to let me watch a few scenes of MvsA on the Panasonic, and it was a very different experience than watching it on the Samsung. I felt an even greater sense of depth and contrast with the plasma, but I still think the motion on the Samsung was smoother. If a firmware update can solve the crosstalk issue, I'll have to watch both sets a lot more. I don't know for sure, but it looks as though the plasma might be applying 3:2 pulldown to the film frames. It's hard to tell. That wasn't happening on the Samsung.

I hope the Samsung firmware update fixes the crosstalk problem. That would be great.

Here's the link for the Consumer Reports review-in-progress on 3D sets. They point out that the Samsung sets they're testing exhibit crosstalk (and show a good example of it). They also point out that the Samsung glasses go dark when you turn them 90 degrees (as in when you lie on your side to watch a program). I never do this, so it never occurred to me to check.

Could be, but I've seen the same crosstalk in every Samsung demo I've watched, with no other 3D sets anywhere in the area. There was some minor and rare crosstalk in the Panasonic demo I watched again today. It just wasn't nearly as pronounced as the Samsung.

Crosstalk aside, the Panasonic's image was significantly different than the Samsung's. The 3D really popped, with deeper contrast and much lower black levels. I kept wishing it was Avatar up on the screen.

I'm still not sure about 3:2 pulldown, but all other things considered, IMO the plasma provides a much better viewing experience. I can't wait to see if the Samsung engineers eliminate crosstalk in their plasma displays. I'll have a good basis for comparison now.

On the negative side, one thing that was very troubling about the Panasonic was that occasionally the 3D glasses would cycle erratically off and on. Don't know if it was a battery issue, or interference from other displays, but it was quite disturbing.