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post #1 of 82
3/22/10 at 12:51pm
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Here is information on the new 3DTV's from the major CEMs, their sizes and if they come with the necessary 3D active shutter glasses or do you need to purchase them seperately (along with the necessary emitter). This information is current AFAIK. Pricing is MSRP. No price means it has not been made known yet.

PANASONIC:

Panasonic VT20 and VT25 PDP series:

TC-P50VT25 - $2,599.95 - week of May 3

TC-P54VT25 - $2,999.95 - week of May 3

TC-P58VT25 - $3,399.95 - June 2010

TC-P65VT25 - $4,299.95 - June 2010

One pair of 3D glasses are included, emitter is built in. The difference between the VT20 and VT25 is the color of the bezel (AFAIK)

58 and 65 inch are supposed to be available in July

TC-P42G25 - $1,699.95

TC-P50GT25 - $2,099.95

Both of the above 3DTVs have the 2D to 3D conversion feature. They will be available at the end of August.


SONY:

Sony XBR LX900 series

40" = $2000
46" = $2450
52" = $3300
60" = $4200

All models come with 2 pair of 3D glasses and the necessary emitter- due out in June

Sony XBR HX900 series

46" = $2450
52" = $3300

No glasses or emitter included. Must be purchased seperately - due out in June


LG:

Infinia PX950 Plasma series

50" = $1,999

60" = $2,999


SAMSUNG:

"UN" LED LCD series

C7000 series

40", 46" and 55"

Glasses must be purchased seperately, emitter is built in

C8000 series - ship date: April 16th

46", 55" and 65"

Glasses must be purchased seperately, emitter is built in

C9000 series

46" and 55"

Glasses must be purchased seperately, emitter is built in

MSRP pricing for their LED LCDs


"PN" PDP series

C7000 series

50", 58" and 63"

Glasses must be purchased seperately, emitter is built in - shipping April 2nd

C8000 series

50", 58" and 63"

Glasses must be purchased seperately, emitter is built in

MSRP pricing for their PDPs

PDP's start shipping April 2nd - not all models.

PN50C490 50-Inch 720p Plasma 3D HDTV

$1099 - ships August


VIZIO:

Vizio XVT PRO series

47" ($1999)
55" ($2500)

"XpanD active-shutter glasses (sold separately)" to use Bluetooth comm (emitter built in ??) - due out in August. HERE is the CES announcement



TOSHIBA:

WX800 - 46" - $2600

WX800 - 55" - $3300

They will be shipping this month (September)


MITSUBISHI:

DLP 3D ready RPTVs. Require 3DC-1000 3D Adapter (sold seperately) - available June 2010

Uses the XpanD X102 DLP-Link 3D glasses purchased seperately

NOTE: DLP RPTV's use the Checkerboard 3D format so resolution will be Half HD per eye instead of Full HD per eye.

638 Series
WD-60638 – $1,199.00
WD-65638 – $1,499.00
WD-73638 – $1,999.00

738 Series
WD-60738 – $1,399.00
WD-65738 – $1,799.00
WD-73738 – $2,399.00
WD-82738 – $3,799.00

838 Series
WD-65838 – $2,199.00
WD-73838 – $2,799.00
WD-82838 – $4,499.00

The above models will be available May 2010

Laservue
65" (2009 price was $7000)

See Mits Press Release for all the details on the above 2010 models


SHARP

LE925 series - includes 2 pair of glasses

52" = $4199
60" = $5299

The Quattron TVs will perform both 2D to 3D conversion, and 3D to 2D conversion.

Availability is November

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/22/s...or-the-states/

As other CEMs release information on their 3DTV offerring, I will amend this post to keep it up to date. If you have any info that is contrary to what I posted, please bring it up with a link to go with it. Thanks.

I highly recommend that anyone who is considering purchasing a 3DTV do their homework to see the different features for the different series, especially the Samsungs.

One item brought to my attention is that with the Sony 3DTV's, the XBR LX900 series is Edge lit while the XBR HX900 series uses LED arrays for local dimming, Check those specs CAREFULLY


Different models of 3D active shutter glasses by CEM



Panasonic - $150




Sony - $133 for glasses and $55 for Emitter




Samsung (battery) - $150





Samsung (rechargable) - $200



Samsung Kids Version (rechargeable) - $180






Vizio & Mitsubishi



XpanD Active Shutter Glasses Models:

X102 = DLP-Link (for use with Samsung and Mitsubishi DLP 3D ready RPTV) - ($160)

X103 = Universal IR (for 3DTVs w/ IR as a comm - Samsung, Panasonic, Sony and LG) - ($160) -June 2010

X104 = Universal ASGs - IR, DLP-Link and BlueTooth (Vizio) Frames to be made of Titanium - Jan. 2011



LG -AG-S100 - $125




BIT CAULDRON



VESA transmitter:



The different emitters for their RF BC5000 glasses




BC5000 - Uses RF comm (802.15.4)

BC3000 - DLP-Link compatible

Products are to be available in the 2nd half of 2010.


Viewsonic PGD-150 DLP-Link - $99.00 (Available April 2010)




Technical Details:
  • 1000:1 contrast (typ), 2ms response time (typ)
  • 50ft effective use distance, Emitter free efficient design
  • Active shutter glass design for blur free immersive 3D experience
  • Long battery life provides for up to 70 hours of continuous usage
  • Features ruggedized water and dust proof design for easy cleaning


TOSHIBA



Toshiba's latest use for OCB LCDs: 3D glasses

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/t...ds-3d-glasses/


MONSTER



$250 for 1 pair of glasses and an RF transmitter. Each pair will be $170 seperately
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post #2 of 82
3/22/10 at 3:31pm
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WEBSITES FOR THE ABOVE PRODUCTS


PANASONIC

SAMSUNG

SONY

TOSHIBA

LG

VIZIO

MITSUBISHI

XPAND

BIT CAULDRON

VIEWSONIC
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post #3 of 82
3/22/10 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by wiggo View Post

The official Vizio press release (here) says "XpanD active-shutter glasses (sold separately)" and talks about the Bluetooth emitter, which is probably built-in (since it does not say sold separately).

Thanks

Edited OP
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post #4 of 82
3/24/10 at 9:16am
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Wal-Mart to Carry 3D HDTVs

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“Though plans will likely include only select stores, Wal-Mart has not officially announced when we will sell 3D TVs, where, and what brand or brands we will carry,” the spokeswoman told the publication.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/walmart032410.htm
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post #5 of 82
3/24/10 at 12:15pm
Went to see the Panasonic VT25 at local BestBuy.. Salesman said each extra pair of glasses would be $150.. Guess I'll have a BYOG (bring your own glasses) party..
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post #6 of 82
3/25/10 at 9:50am
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Added LG's active shutter glasses and Samsung kids versions - come in either blue or pick (image)

EDIT - added price for LG's 47" LX9500
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post #7 of 82
3/26/10 at 8:24am
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Added ship date for C8000 Samsung LED LCD series.
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post #8 of 82
3/26/10 at 11:31am
Your list fails to mention Mitsubishi DLP 3D ready TV's that have been available for two years. They come in 65,73 and 82" sizes. I have the 73" in bedroom and the 82" in living room. The 82" cost me $3600 over the internet and I bought two pair of glasses with emitter from IO Display Systems for $118. I played Avatar in 3D over 70 hours on my Xbox360. The 3D was simply amazing. I just think that 3D cannot be fully enjoyed on the smaller displays as seen in the BB displays.

The current Mitsubishis will require an adaptor to convert new BR 3D standards to checkerboard (rumor ~ $100) while the new ones won't. Sony will provide software upgrade (June?) to my PS3 so I can watch future 3D BR movies when they become available. I waited two years (73" DLP) before anything was available (except Nvidea PC 3D) to finally enjoy 3D.
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post #9 of 82
3/26/10 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

Your list fails to mention Mitsubishi DLP 3D ready TV's that have been available for two years. They come in 65,73 and 82" sizes. I have the 73" in bedroom and the 82" in living room. The 82" cost me $3600 over the internet and I bought two pair of glasses with emitter from IO Display Systems for $118. I played Avatar in 3D over 70 hours on my Xbox360. The 3D was simply amazing. I just think that 3D cannot be fully enjoyed on the smaller displays as seen in the BB displays.

The current Mitsubishis will require an adaptor to convert new BR 3D standards to checkerboard (rumor ~ $100) while the new ones won't. Sony will provide software upgrade (June?) to my PS3 so I can watch future 3D BR movies when they become available. I waited two years (73" DLP) before anything was available (except Nvidea PC 3D) to finally enjoy 3D.

OK - I will add the Mits RPTVs

EDIT: added estimated arrival date for the 3DC-1000 3D adapter - data from Mits.
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post #10 of 82
3/27/10 at 8:31am
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Added pricing on Mits RPTVs and info on XPanD and Bit Cauldron ASGs, had title of thread changed and changed post #2 for list of company websites
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post #11 of 82
3/27/10 at 4:02pm
Samsung user manuals are here: plasma C7000, LED C8000.
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post #12 of 82
4/2/10 at 4:57pm
Confirmed by BestBuy today that the entire inventory of Panasonic VT20 units have been sold out.
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post #13 of 82
4/2/10 at 5:22pm
Regarding Inventory of the Panasonic VT20s. Apparently each of the 250 qualifying Magnolia included Best Buys that were provided demos were allocated 2 to 3 sets for sale. That would suggest that at most 750 sets were manufactured for sale in the U.S. to date and more likely less than 500. Will we now only see the VT25 model with all the 20s sold out? Reportedly the 25s should be showing up for sale by all Best Buys as well as other retailers around June 1st.
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post #14 of 82
4/2/10 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by NorthTV View Post

Regarding Inventory of the Panasonic VT20s. Apparently each of the 250 qualifying Magnolia included Best Buys that were provided demos were allocated 2 to 3 sets for sale. That would suggest that at most 750 sets were manufactured for sale in the U.S. to date and more likely less than 500. Will we now only see the VT25 model with all the 20s sold out?

I believe so.
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post #15 of 82
4/3/10 at 6:04pm
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Sony pricing added for LX900 series and HX900 3D ready series
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post #16 of 82
4/4/10 at 7:26am
No inclusion of projectors?
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post #17 of 82
4/4/10 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by defiancecp View Post

No inclusion of projectors?

Nope.

Someone else can start that thread.
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post #18 of 82
4/5/10 at 10:10pm
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added Viewsonic DLP-Link 3D active shutter glasses
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post #19 of 82
4/7/10 at 7:55am
Would be nice if the type of 3d signals accepted were listed for each display.

For example, whether it takes framepacked signals, checkerboard, pure 120hz or 100hz input, etc.
Also whether or not the tv has a vesa sync port.
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post #20 of 82
4/7/10 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by obveron View Post

Would be nice if the type of 3d signals accepted were listed for each display.

For example, whether it takes framepacked signals, checkerboard, pure 120hz or 100hz input, etc.
Also whether or not the tv has an vesa sync port.

AFAIK, the only TV's that take Checkerboard and have a VESA port are the Mitsubishi 3D ready DLP RPTVs. All the others use Frame Sequential (3D BD) and Side-by-Side or Over/Under for 3D from CBL or SAT

These are USA 3DTV's - no 100Hz. Thats for the UK.
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post #21 of 82
4/8/10 at 7:59am
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Added new Mitsubishi 2010 3D DLP RPTV data
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post #22 of 82
4/8/10 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

AFAIK, the only TV's that take Checkerboard and have a VESA port are the Mitsubishi 3D ready DLP RPTVs. All the others use Frame Sequential (3D BD) and Side-by-Side or Over/Under for 3D from CBL or SAT

These are USA 3DTV's - no 100Hz. Thats for the UK.

...and Samsung's 3D-ready DLP RPTVs. Or are we only concerned with 2010 models?
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post #23 of 82
4/8/10 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by JamesN View Post

...and Samsung's 3D-ready DLP RPTVs. Or are we only concerned with 2010 models?

For this thread - 2010 models
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post #24 of 82
4/12/10 at 3:38pm
For those of us that are doing PC 3D, are the glasses different?
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post #25 of 82
4/13/10 at 5:43am
Generally the glasses depend on the display and its 3D presentation technology. For example, to watch a Blu-Ray 3D with PowerDVD10 MarkII (when released) you'll need the glasses they give you with the display you use (or Universal like XpanD).

nVidia 3D Vision is a special technology where the emitter for the glasses is connected to the PC via USB (or sometimes via a dongle linked to the video card). But in this case you'll need a nVidia 3D Vision compliant display (3D HDTV listed in this thread are not).

Then, still speaking of nVidia 3D Vision, there is an even stranger connection among the emitter, the PC via USB and the DLP displays that I don't know in detail because these displays (Mitsubishi and Samsung) are not sold in Europe.
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post #26 of 82
4/13/10 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by Mike5 View Post

Generally the glasses depend on the display and its 3D presentation technology. For example, to watch a Blu-Ray 3D with PowerDVD10 MarkII (when released) you'll need the glasses they give you with the display you use (or Universal like XpanD).

nVidia 3D Vision is a special technology where the emitter for the glasses is connected to the PC via USB (or sometimes via a dongle linked to the video card). But in this case you'll need a nVidia 3D Vision compliant display (3D HDTV listed in this thread are not).

Then, still speaking of nVidia 3D Vision, there is an even stranger connection among the emitter, the PC via USB and the DLP displays that I don't know in detail because these displays (Mitsubishi and Samsung) are not sold in Europe.

Reportedly in the promotinal materials from NVidia there is reference to being able to use the Panasonic 3D Glasses. Perhaps others can clarify.
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post #27 of 82
4/13/10 at 12:28pm
Thanks Mike5 and NorthTV.

I was thinking that LCD, 120 Hz TV's or Monitors would be equivalent to each other. I now understand that DLP would/could be different. nVidia does say it is compatible with the Mitubishi's. Now I'm confused.

Hope this is not messing up Lee's thread???????????

Chuck
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post #28 of 82
4/13/10 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by Chuck666 View Post

Thanks Mike5 and NorthTV.

I was thinking that LCD, 120 Hz TV's or Monitors would be equivalent to each other. I now understand that DLP would/could be different. nVidia does say it is compatible with the Mitubishi's. Now I'm confused.

Hope this is not messing up Lee's thread???????????
Chuck

LOL! Not all all
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post #29 of 82
4/14/10 at 3:08pm
I sent an email to Mitsu Customer Service in regards to DLP-Link compatibility, and got the following reply.

It seems they will have a Starter Pack available with the 3D adapter, along with 2 pairs of glasses, an emitter, and a Disney "showcase" disc.

See numbers 10 and 11 below.

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Thank you for contacting Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc. We are pleased to be able to assist our customers via our website. Here is the information that you have requested:


1. What is 3D TV?
Currently, there is no industry standard for the definition of 3D TV. CEA has formed a working group to draft the definition and
Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America (MDEA) is a member of this subgroup. Currently the industry is using 3DTV as a generic
term for a display technology that lets home viewers experience TV programs, movies, games, and other video content in a 3D
stereoscopic effect using active shutter glasses.
2. How is the new 3D TV technology different from older 3D?
Prior to 2010, there have been 3D DVD titles that have come to market that use anaglyph glasses, which use lenses tinted red
and cyan (or other colors) which are used to combine two false-color images. The result seen by the viewer is discolored and
usually lower-resolution than the new method.
The principal improvement of today's 3D technology is the use of active shutter and passive eyewear which are high contrast
and provide for better higher video resolution experience. Today's 3DTVs also have technology that enables 3D images to be
rendered on screen as intended by the studio broadcaster.
3. How is 3D TV different from 3D in the theater?
3DTV is a large screen, immersive experience. Many consumers have experienced 3D feature films at 3D movie theaters. The
DLP technology used in over 95% of 3D cinemas is the same core technology used in Mitsubishi 3D-Ready and Mitsubishi 3D
TVs! In theaters, passive polarized 3D glasses are mainly used to view 3D movies. Most present day 3DTVs utilize active
shutter glasses. Smaller screen sizes may present other issues relative to viewing 3D in the home, such as relatively narrow
viewing distance range.
4. Can everyone see 3D?
No. Between 5 percent and 10 percent of Americans suffer from stereo blindness, according to the College of Optometrists in
Vision Development. They often have good depth perception, which relies on more than just stereopsis, but cannot perceive the
depth dimension of 3D video presentations. Some stereo-blind viewers can watch 3D material with no problem as long as they
wear glasses; it simply appears as 2D to them.
5. Does everyone watching programming on a 3D TV need to wear 3D glasses?
Yes. Everyone watching programming on a 3D TV must wear 3D glasses to properly see the 3D effect. Without 3D glasses, the
image on the screen will appear doubled, distorted, and unwatchable. Currently, a technology does not exist which allows a
single TV to display both 2D and 3D content simultaneously without 3D glasses.
6. Do I need a new Blu-ray player, cable box, game console, or AV receiver?
With one exception the answer for Blu-ray players is "yes." No Blu-ray player maker has announced an upgrade to existing 2009
or earlier Blu-ray players to work with Blu-ray 3D movies, so a new 3D Blu-ray player will be required to watch 3D BD movies.
The Sony Playstation 3 is an exception. Sony has announced that its PS3 game console will receive two separate firmware
upgrades--one for gaming and another to allow display of 3D Blu-rays--in June 2010. Previously there was some confusion
about whether the Blu-ray capability of the console would in fact be full HD resolution as seen through newer standalone Blu-ray
players, however Sony has announced that it will, despite the fact that the PS3 is not HDMI 1.4-certified (question 10). In
addition, a question was posed of the console's 3D capability only working with Sony TVs. Sony replied that the PS3 would work
in 3D with any 3D-compatible TV.
With regard to the Xbox 360 and the Wii, neither Microsoft nor Nintendo has outlined its plans for 3D gaming.
DirecTV has announced that its lower-resolution 3D system will require only a free software update to the company's current HD
boxes. These Set-Top Boxes (STBs) will pass-through the 3D encoded content as either side by side or top/bottom format. In
the case of DirecTV, the current HD STBs are HDMI 1.3 and as a result, DirecTV has developed its signaling protocol (via
EDID) to communicate with 3DTVs and confirm the TV is 3D prior to making 3D channels visible on the program guide.
7. Can I use my existing HDMI cables?
At this point, it appears you can. The best information we have obtained, indicates that most current HDMI cables will work fine
with the new 3D formats. One caveat is that HDMI cables (over three feet) might potentially have issues. Category 2 high speed
type cables which have been available for several years, are recommended.
8. What 3D movies will be available for home viewing this year? 3D TV channels? 3D games?
Blu-ray movies announced this year in full-HD 3D include "Monsters vs. Aliens," "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs," "Disney's
A Christmas Carol," "Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs," and all three "Shrek" movies. Additional 3D movies will be announced
soon, among them the first non-animated titles. If you're curious about "Avatar," for example, latest word is that the 3D version
won't come out in 2010.
Comcast, Time Warner and Cox Communications will broadcast the Masters tournament in 3D for 2 hours per day in select
markets.
DirecTV will be the first TV provider with 3D content, announcing three 3D channels of its own (one on-demand channel, one
pay channel, and one free channel). ESPN has noted that they will broadcast 85 events over the course of the year starting
June 2010 with the first game of the 2010 World Cup.
With the help of gear like the Nvidia 3D kit, PCs have been able to deliver 3D games, many converted from 2D versions, for the
last few years to some compatible TVs and monitors. However, no console games specifically designed to work with the new 3D
TVs have been announced, aside from Avatar: The Game. We expect 3D versions of existing games to be announced this year,
perhaps with an "upgrade path" allowing existing owners to not have to repurchase the game at full price, but nothing's been
officially announced yet.
9. Do the NVIDIA glasses work with a PS3, or 3D BD players?
No, the NVIDIA glasses currently are not compatible. The NVIDIA glasses are designed to specifically work with a PC based
playback system for games or BD movies. We have not heard of any changes to this.
10. I have a 2007 - 2009 Mitsubishi 3D Ready TV. How do I get to watch 3D on these TVs?
3D Gaming solutions using PCs have been in the market for several years. NVIDIA has promoted drivers, games and their
glasses in order to enable consumers to play PC based games in 3D. NVIDIA has also announced plans to provide drivers to
enable PCs with BD playback to also decode 3D BD movies and games.
In order to enjoy 3D movies, 3D games, and 3D broadcast content on 2007-2009 3D Ready Mitsubishi TVs, consumers can
purchase the new Mitsubishi 3D Starter pack that includes the 3D Adapter (Model 3DC-1000), two pair of glasses, emitter, and a
Disney showcase disc.
11. I have a Mitsubishi 3D Ready TV, is it compatible to DLP Link glasses?
Yes, all Mitsubishi 3D Ready TVs are compatible with DLP Link glasses. In addition, these TVs have a VESA jack for an
external synchronization emitter for non DLP Link glasses. This provides the user with maximum flexibility and choices of
glasses.
12. Are all 3D active shutter glasses compatible with each other?
For active shutter glasses, the industry has not settled on a common protocol format. Therefore, consumers that have 3D
glasses from Samsung, Panasonic, Sony will not interoperate. As a consumer if you want to watch a 3D event on your friend's
Samsung TV, and only have Panasonic glasses, you will not be able to see 3D. CEA as well as many eyewear manufacturers
are working to define a common protocol standard to eliminate this issue. XPAND has publicly announced eyewear that will
interoperate with multiple vendors' 3DTV products available in June.

Regards


MDEA
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post #30 of 82
4/23/10 at 1:25pm
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Panasonic 3DTV SRP prices and availability now up and current as per todays presser from Panasonic
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