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post #661 of 1198
Also, make sure that the device turn-on order for the activity has the TV turning on first. That is the correct order for HDMI handshaking, anyway... display first, then work back up the HDMI chain until source is last device turned on.
post #662 of 1198
The TV activity is only with the TV device, no other device gets turned on. It seems from what you all are saying, therefore, that my Toshiba just takes the time it does to do its checking/warmup.

I'll be happy with the slight delay since in my two other activities that involve other devices (Watch DVD and Watch Movie) all devices involved seem to come on in a smooth sequence.

Thanks guys.
post #663 of 1198
In that case, follow Dropkick's advice. FWIW, my toshiba only takes 3.5 seconds before it can respond to other commands. A stopwatch and a little testing will get you the exact value.
post #664 of 1198
Huh. The thing that stopped me was the admonishment: "never needs to change inputs" which wasn't true. But just a moment's testing with the Help menu and I found it: the power on delay was five seconds, I put it down to 3 and it works like a charm.
Thanks for that clarification, Mdavej, and to dropkick for the insight into the help menu.
I really like this forum.
post #665 of 1198
Good Day,

I have a 650, and I just removed my TV as a device to allow one more device slot for another component. I can turn my TV on manually, and I only use one input. Now, the software has somehow included my WDTV hub in place of my TV in several other activities where it is not needed or wanted. I am unable to remove this device from the activities. On the page where it should allow the removal of a device from an activity, is says the option is N/A.
So I deleted the activity and rebuilt it, and there it is...my WDTV is once again included and non-removable.
If I build "utility activities" I have to program every button manually.Does anyone know how to remove the WDTV from the activity or how to rebuild the activitiy without the WDTV being included? I'm using the Good (?) Old Software.
Thanks!
Edited by Culpepper - 9/13/12 at 6:00pm
post #666 of 1198
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Edited by Culpepper - 9/27/12 at 2:49pm
post #667 of 1198
Squeeze it for all it’s worth: How to control more devices with your Logitech Harmony remote.

This is hard to explain, so bear with me…
I wanted to control more than the 5 devices allowed with my Harmony 650, and the price to upgrade to the 700 or ONE was just too great and brought some downgrades (IMO) like the batteries and the touch screen. I decided to see if I could use the learning function to expand the number of devices controlled.

First I decided that my TV was expendable as a device, because I only need the Harmony to turn it on and off and change inputs. So I deleted the TV device to make room for another device.

It occurred to me that I could control a few TV functions if I taught those codes to the Harmony within one of the devices that was common to all activities: in my case, the AVReceiver.

So, I taught the Harmony my TV on & off, as well as the TV’s direct input codes by using the learning function and adding them to the AVR code list.

Then, by creating new “utility” activities, I could access the TV functions from the list of AVR commands. The TV can be turned on and off by “adding actions when the activity starts or stops.

I then experimented with adding another PVR using the same method: I taught all the required commands to the Harmony within the AVR device, which makes them all available to create a new activity using that device.

So far, the number of devices you could add appears to depend only upon the number of new commands you can teach the Harmony and store within the code list for other existing devices.

One downside is that the timing adjustments become global…so in my case the timing adjustments are in effect pre-set for any other components I control from with my AVR’s code list.
post #668 of 1198
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Originally Posted by Culpepper View Post

Squeeze it for all it’s worth: How to control more devices with your Logitech Harmony remote.
This is hard to explain, so bear with me…
I wanted to control more than the 5 devices allowed with my Harmony 650, and the price to upgrade to the 700 or ONE was just too great and brought some downgrades (IMO) like the batteries and the touch screen. I decided to see if I could use the learning function to expand the number of devices controlled.
First I decided that my TV was expendable as a device, because I only need the Harmony to turn it on and off and change inputs. So I deleted the TV device to make room for another device.
It occurred to me that I could control a few TV functions if I taught those codes to the Harmony within one of the devices that was common to all activities: in my case, the AVReceiver.
So, I taught the Harmony my TV on & off, as well as the TV’s direct input codes by using the learning function and adding them to the AVR code list.
Then, by creating new “utility” activities, I could access the TV functions from the list of AVR commands. The TV can be turned on and off by “adding actions when the activity starts or stops.
I then experimented with adding another PVR using the same method: I taught all the required commands to the Harmony within the AVR device, which makes them all available to create a new activity using that device.
So far, the number of devices you could add appears to depend only upon the number of new commands you can teach the Harmony and store within the code list for other existing devices.
One downside is that the timing adjustments become global…so in my case the timing adjustments are in effect pre-set for any other components I control from with my AVR’s code list.

This approach can work in some instances, but... the downside is that the remote can no longer keep track of the TV's power and input states... not too much of a problem if you can use discrete power and input commands but potentially a problem with non-discrete power and likely impossible to implement if the TV (or other device that gets combined with another) uses a scrolling input selection. The help button also will not provide any assistance for the piggybacked device, either.

You can use your "utility activities" as pseudo device mode for they piggybacked device but, as usual, if it's anything you need/use regularly it's better to just add the command to the real activity's buttons or custom pages.
Edited by jcalabria - 9/28/12 at 10:14am
post #669 of 1198
Thanks for the comments, jcalabria.

My Pioneer TV does indeed use discreet power on and off commands, as well as direct access to inputs, so I guess in my case I'm lucky that it works. Since a move up to the 700 only gets one extra device, and the ONE is so expensive, it seems like a good workaround for now, anyway.
post #670 of 1198
I'm using the 600 with a Comcast Motorola DVD(3416) I have the Comcast remote programmed to control the tv volume. When I set up the 600, it controls the DVR volume. Is there a way to change to control the tv volume?
post #671 of 1198
Make an activity.
post #672 of 1198
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Originally Posted by leroybrown View Post

I'm using the 600 with a Comcast Motorola DVD(3416) I have the Comcast remote programmed to control the tv volume. When I set up the 600, it controls the DVR volume. Is there a way to change to control the tv volume?

It should have been one of the questions when you set up the software/remote on the logitech site. How did you setup the remote?

ps You could also specify the device with the remote and then control that unit specifically (assuming you're using the activity mode like mdavej suggests, I assumed you used activity mode to setup your remote)
post #673 of 1198
Quick question for you guys. I have a panny blueray and a panny dvd vcr combo that share the same signal. So everytime I select blueray the dvd also comes on and vice versa. Is there anyway to change one of their signals? Thanks for your help.
post #674 of 1198
Yes. Check the manual of the blu-ray player for changing the remote address and change it to 2 on the player and remote. Then set up your device again on your harmony and confirm the couple of signals it asks for. It should work at that point. If not, you'll need to learn every command from the panny remote now set to address 2.
post #675 of 1198
Thank you sir, I'll give that a whirl.
post #676 of 1198
I've been fine-tuning my Harmony 650 remote and have a glitch I'd like advice on.

I have set up an Activity that turns on my HDTV and selects HDMI1 input, turns on my Denon 1613 and selects "Network". Up to that point all is fine: once the wireless network catches up, I can see the Denon menu on the tv screen: there are six possible selections (Sirius, Favorites, Radio)—I want to select "Pandora".

The problem is the up/down/left/right buttons on the Harmony. I can go left and right on the top row of items on the tv screen, but I can't get the up or down buttons to work, and Pandora is on the bottom row. If I try to select up or down buttons, the Toshiba tv presents the on-screen squares showing channels to select! I've tried multiple times to train the four directions and "ok" buttons but the training doesn't work.

I'm very curious about this as, when I first got the remote and set it all up I was able to configure so that the direction buttons work.

I've tried deleting the whole activity and starting over. I've tried to train the buttons involved both with the IR automatic connection and by using 'Raw File".

Can anyone advise?

Much Thanks,
Craig
post #677 of 1198
Ah, sorry all, I think I found out what I needed: I had forgotten the preferences "Customize Buttons" in the Activity panes. All the drop down menus gave me the added capability to go left/right/up/down in selecting a source for my music. Pandora sounds great. cool.gif
post #678 of 1198
So I have a 650 with a Yamaha 671 receiver, a Panasonic TC-P50S30, a Sony BDP-BX58 blu ray, and a HR24-200 Directv receiver. Everything worked fine until recently. When I pick my activity the remote just power cycles. I have tried to update the remote again with my activities, I have also re-downloaded the firmware from Logitech. I have also followed the reset instructions from their website "If your remote is not behaving properly, you can reset it. To do so, remove one of the batteries, hold down the All Off button, and reinsert the battery. A message will appear on the remote screen indicating that the remote has entered safe mode. Next, connect the remote to your computer and sync it. The remote should now be updated and functioning properly." None of that has helped. The device still powers cycles. Any ideas?
post #679 of 1198
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Originally Posted by mrbeezly View Post

So I have a 650 with a Yamaha 671 receiver, a Panasonic TC-P50S30, a Sony BDP-BX58 blu ray, and a HR24-200 Directv receiver. Everything worked fine until recently. When I pick my activity the remote just power cycles. I have tried to update the remote again with my activities, I have also re-downloaded the firmware from Logitech. I have also followed the reset instructions from their website "If your remote is not behaving properly, you can reset it. To do so, remove one of the batteries, hold down the All Off button, and reinsert the battery. A message will appear on the remote screen indicating that the remote has entered safe mode. Next, connect the remote to your computer and sync it. The remote should now be updated and functioning properly." None of that has helped. The device still powers cycles. Any ideas?

In the past the common wisdom has been that this is due to "faulty" battery handling in the unit. Slight shocks could cause an intermittent resulting in the remote rebooting. I can verify that our unit suffered(s) from this as well although it's pretty infrequent. One day, however, our unit started to reboot pretty constantly. I messed around with the contacts, etc., but it wasn't until I put fresh batteries in that the unit settled down. You might try that.

My guess is that the unit is hypersensitive to fluctuations in supply voltage, but who knows. I just make sure to keep fresh batteries in it.
post #680 of 1198
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Originally Posted by davelr View Post

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Originally Posted by mrbeezly View Post

So I have a 650 with a Yamaha 671 receiver, a Panasonic TC-P50S30, a Sony BDP-BX58 blu ray, and a HR24-200 Directv receiver. Everything worked fine until recently. When I pick my activity the remote just power cycles. I have tried to update the remote again with my activities, I have also re-downloaded the firmware from Logitech. I have also followed the reset instructions from their website "If your remote is not behaving properly, you can reset it. To do so, remove one of the batteries, hold down the All Off button, and reinsert the battery. A message will appear on the remote screen indicating that the remote has entered safe mode. Next, connect the remote to your computer and sync it. The remote should now be updated and functioning properly." None of that has helped. The device still powers cycles. Any ideas?

In the past the common wisdom has been that this is due to "faulty" battery handling in the unit. Slight shocks could cause an intermittent resulting in the remote rebooting. I can verify that our unit suffered(s) from this as well although it's pretty infrequent. One day, however, our unit started to reboot pretty constantly. I messed around with the contacts, etc., but it wasn't until I put fresh batteries in that the unit settled down. You might try that.

My guess is that the unit is hypersensitive to fluctuations in supply voltage, but who knows. I just make sure to keep fresh batteries in it.

Yes, my 650 seems to get fussy with low batteries, wanting to go through setup again and fresh batteries cure it....and overall the battery life is decent for as much as I use it.
post #681 of 1198
I have a very old Harmony 880 that is pretty worn out. I want to replace it with a 650 because the One and the new Touch are just way to expensive for remotes. Does anyone know if

A - You can "upgrade" from an 880 to a 650 without reprogramming? There is a "new remote" section in the software, but I've never tried it.

B - There are different models of the 650? On Amazon, I went to one page and it said "there is a newer model of this", but that page is ALSO a 650.

Any help appreciated.
post #682 of 1198
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Originally Posted by WaltN46 View Post

I have a very old Harmony 880 that is pretty worn out. I want to replace it with a 650 because the One and the new Touch are just way to expensive for remotes. Does anyone know if

A - You can "upgrade" from an 880 to a 650 without reprogramming? There is a "new remote" section in the software, but I've never tried it.

B - There are different models of the 650? On Amazon, I went to one page and it said "there is a newer model of this", but that page is ALSO a 650.

Any help appreciated.

I did try the new remote thing with my addition of a 600 (to my 650) in my bedroom setup, no particular issues. Not sure what an 880 vs 650 might be like otherwise. As to new model think it might be color of the unit or if it's a regular retail or carded unit (think I saw something similar when shopping for my units).
post #683 of 1198
Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltN46 View Post

I have a very old Harmony 880 that is pretty worn out. I want to replace it with a 650 because the One and the new Touch are just way to expensive for remotes. Does anyone know if

A - You can "upgrade" from an 880 to a 650 without reprogramming? There is a "new remote" section in the software, but I've never tried it.

B - There are different models of the 650? On Amazon, I went to one page and it said "there is a newer model of this", but that page is ALSO a 650.

Any help appreciated.


You will have to redo the activities and customed buttons. The devices will be transfered OK. I've done this a couple times (H360 to H700), and IMO these are important things to keep in mind:

- Make screenshots of the activities and customed buttons. Or copy them down on paper. It will help to recreate them. The process would become very easy.

- The 880 has more devices than the 650. You can transfer more devices than the 650 officially can have. Remember to create more devices than you have (using another brand of TV, or Blu-Ray, or Fan, Lights, ...), so that you will have room to growth later when you acquire a new device.
My Harmony 700 has 11 devices, a few are extra TV, Blu-ray, Fan devices which I don't have.

- Ask (email) Logitech support to clone your current 880 account to another, and then use that to upgrade the remote. Keep you current 880 account in case you ever want to start from scratch. You can have as many accounts as you want.

- I don't think there is a different 650. I have not seen one reported by anybody.
post #684 of 1198
I just purchased a 650. Have an old 520 which operates TV, 360, PS3, Onkyo & Shaw DCX 3400 with no problems. The PS3 operates with an adapter and no problems.
However in the 650 When I TURN OFF the "PlayPS3" Activity everything turns off except the TV.
In all other Activities everything works great.

The HELP button has to be used to turn off TV only in the "PLAYPS3" Activity.

Tried changing sequence, reducing timing etc. Nothing appears to work.

Anyone have similar problem.
post #685 of 1198
You could add a "TV off" command when exiting the PS3 activity.
post #686 of 1198
Thanks I solved it. First I set up a "Game PS3^ Activity using only TV and A/V, then I added PS3. In a nutshell clicking "Game PS3" started PS3, TV and Onkyo. Power off then worked like a charm.
I really don't know why the "normal" way never worked.

First time I have tried to use the "My Harmony.com" software. It must have been designed by someone who is trying to put Logitech out of business. A real nightmare.mad.gif
post #687 of 1198
I have recently purchased a Harmony 650, but do nort seem to get the switch-on delay working. I have a Samsung D7000 and it seems that the Sony AV receiver needs to be on before the TV for the TV to register an input. I have set the switch-on delay to various values, but it still seem to come on at the same time as all the other devices. Can somebody please help?
post #688 of 1198
The power delay does not determine in any way when, or in what order, the power command is sent to a device... it only controls how long after a device is turned on before additional commands are sent to that device. It is there to prevent the remote from sending commands to a device before it has completed booting up.

If you are using the 7.7 software to configure your remote, Power-On order is determined in "Activities"/"Settings"/"Review the order in which devices are turned on". Regardless of the order set, all power-on commands are sent in immediate succession at the very beginning of the activity start-up. If you are using MyHarmony.com to configure your remote, I cannot help with the specifics of changing the power-on order.

As a general rule, the correct turn-on sequence for any HDMI chain is to start with turning on the Sink (display) device, then work upstream in the chain through any Repeater devices (AVR, switches, processors, etc). The Source device should be the last item in the chain to be turned on.
Edited by jcalabria - 11/14/12 at 6:13am
post #689 of 1198
Thanks for the reply jcalabria.

So what you are suggesting is that the sequence of "turn on" should be TV - AV Receiver- Sat decoder? I have definitely found even before I had the harmony, that both the AV receiver and decoder had to be on before I switched on the TV. Otherwise the TV would give me : "No signal" "Check your cables" messages. Any idea why that is? I did load the 7.7 software and will play around with the order as you suggested.
post #690 of 1198
I have a Harmony 670 (didn't find a thread for the 670 but figured this one was close enough) and am trying to program a string of 3 devices to watch TV. They are the TV, Oppo BD player and satellite box. I get all 3 to turn on with the correct input on the TV but I'm trying to program the Oppo player to switch to the HDMI input on the back of the unit. The reason is I'm using the Oppo's built in scaler to upconvert the sat box signal to 1080p. For now I have to manually call up the Oppo input menu and select the HDMI input.

Is there a way to program the 670 to automatically send a signal to the Oppo to activate its HDMI input?....
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