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post #781 of 862
2/17/13 at 8:22pm
Just got everything set up on our new 650. I ended up doing what was suggested and set up the SmartHub interface as a different activity. We'll see how it goes. I'm sure I'll probably tweek it a little bit.

EDIT: After messing around with it for a few minutes, I think it's easier to control the SmartHub functions by just selecting "TV" through the "Devices" function. The problem I've run into is that switching activities to the SmartHub is fine, but once you select "Watch TV" again it keeps the SmartHub up on the TV. At that point you have to go back into "Devices", select "TV", hit "Exit" and then switch back to the "Watch TV" activity. I'll see what happens if you add the "Exit" button in on the "Watch TV" macros.

EDIT AGAIN: Looks like you can't add in a function to the macros, maybe I'm wrong? Is it possible to add into the "Watch TV" macros for the remote to key "Exit" on the TV controls while switching everything over?
Edited by bhpizza - 2/17/13 at 8:58pm
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post #782 of 862
2/17/13 at 11:31pm
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Just got everything set up on our new 650. I ended up doing what was suggested and set up the SmartHub interface as a different activity. We'll see how it goes. I'm sure I'll probably tweek it a little bit.

EDIT: After messing around with it for a few minutes, I think it's easier to control the SmartHub functions by just selecting "TV" through the "Devices" function. The problem I've run into is that switching activities to the SmartHub is fine, but once you select "Watch TV" again it keeps the SmartHub up on the TV. At that point you have to go back into "Devices", select "TV", hit "Exit" and then switch back to the "Watch TV" activity. I'll see what happens if you add the "Exit" button in on the "Watch TV" macros.

EDIT AGAIN: Looks like you can't add in a function to the macros, maybe I'm wrong? Is it possible to add into the "Watch TV" macros for the remote to key "Exit" on the TV controls while switching everything over?

On the Samsung TV Device, add all the keys. It looks like you need the colored keys for ABCD, so put SmartHub, Exit_SmartHub and anything else that doesn't have a real key on the little LCD display.

 

Then, on the Watch TV Activity, just add those keys to the display. Even if the Comcast-STB is mostly in control for this Activity, you can still add required Samsung buttons to the little LCD display.

 

If that doesn't work out, you will have to make SmartHub a separate Activity. You select an un-used Input and you will just get a Blue-Screen. Press buttons to enter and leave SmartHub. Yes, once you have that working, you can force custom sequences or build custom macros.

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post #783 of 862
2/18/13 at 4:36am
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.....Another button is the "Tools" button. This button goes to commonly used functions on the TV like Video/Audio modes and, more importantly, the sleep function that we use every night since it is a bedroom TV.
After using the "sleep" function the remote will be out of sync with state of the TV, so you will need to get it back into sync when you next use the system.
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post #784 of 862
2/18/13 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by bhpizza View Post

Just got everything set up on our new 650. I ended up doing what was suggested and set up the SmartHub interface as a different activity. We'll see how it goes. I'm sure I'll probably tweek it a little bit.

EDIT: After messing around with it for a few minutes, I think it's easier to control the SmartHub functions by just selecting "TV" through the "Devices" function. The problem I've run into is that switching activities to the SmartHub is fine, but once you select "Watch TV" again it keeps the SmartHub up on the TV. At that point you have to go back into "Devices", select "TV", hit "Exit" and then switch back to the "Watch TV" activity. I'll see what happens if you add the "Exit" button in on the "Watch TV" macros.

EDIT AGAIN: Looks like you can't add in a function to the macros, maybe I'm wrong? Is it possible to add into the "Watch TV" macros for the remote to key "Exit" on the TV controls while switching everything over?
Suggestion to simply add smarthub functions to watch tv activity is best. But to simply return to current activity from device mode without re-running activity is to press Activities or Devices button twice.

You can add any commands you want to the activity macros using the 7.7 software, but not myharmony. This is one of the many reasons myharmony should be avoided.
Edited by mdavej - 2/18/13 at 9:55am
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post #785 of 862
2/18/13 at 8:34am
Where do you get the 7.7 software? Can you set up power on delays in that software.
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post #786 of 862
2/18/13 at 11:30am
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Where do you get the 7.7 software?

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/3806?osid=14&bit=64

 

Title: Harmony Remote
Software Version: 7.7.0
Post Date: 1/19/2010
Platform: Windows 7
File Size: Approximately 54 Mb

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post #787 of 862
2/18/13 at 12:22pm
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So am I understanding this correctly that there is no way to hit the watch TV button, which will make the TV and receiver come on instantly, then set a delay (5 seconds or so) and then the cable box come on? The reason being, my receiver doesn't like to be turned on after the cable box is already sending a signal. Thanks.

Not sure where you got the understanding from. RTFM? Page 21 and 22. There's delays in the software online as well as built into the remote itself, personally I found that HDMI-CEC doesn't always cooperate...
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post #788 of 862
2/18/13 at 2:26pm
I didn't get a manual with my remote. I ordered it from an online retailer and it appears to be refurbished, but that is a conversation for another day. RTFM? Read The F****** Manual? Haha I appreciate the candidness. I tried to do it through my harmony, but it would only put he delay at the end. Maybe I need to delete the whole activity and then start over and put the delays in the first time?
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post #789 of 862
2/18/13 at 3:16pm
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I didn't get a manual with my remote. I ordered it from an online retailer and it appears to be refurbished, but that is a conversation for another day. RTFM? Read The F****** Manual? Haha I appreciate the candidness. I tried to do it through my harmony, but it would only put he delay at the end. Maybe I need to delete the whole activity and then start over and put the delays in the first time?

Oh, I should have put a smiley face after the RTFM? Here...smile.gif It's easily downloaded...http://www.logitech.com/assets/44635/3/harmony650-user-guide.pdf

I've had various results with my setting of delays. I was successful for a while until I swapped my 650 and 600 between systems and then couldn't get it back for some reason so I just turned off the HDMI-CEC in the tv; I figured it was the HDMI-CEC screwing with it so I just turned that off on the tv (tv wanted to dominate my avr) so no more delay needed.
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post #790 of 862
2/18/13 at 4:20pm
What am I missing? I didn't want to be an ass and say I had read the manual front to back (which I had), but I don't see anything in the manual about power on delays.
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post #791 of 862
2/18/13 at 4:24pm
Matter of fact, I have it printed and hole punched and in a 3 ring binder with the 100 pg. manual from my new receiver : )
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post #792 of 862
2/18/13 at 5:00pm
There appears to be two versions of the manual for the 650. One for use with the software and one for myharmony.

Select each one here http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/articles/7571

Both state ver 1.0 the cover images are different as well as some of the info inside.

So basically make sure you RTRFM : ) lol
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post #793 of 862
2/18/13 at 5:06pm
Its the one for use with the software. Not myharmony
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post #794 of 862
2/18/13 at 5:38pm
Alright guys. This is some sick joke or something. Both of those user guides, regardless of which program you say you used to set up your remote, are the same. I deleted the whole activity thinking it would let me put the delays in there on initial setup, but you can't. After I set it up I went to where you can put in delays and there is no way to move the delay between the power on commands. I'm not illiterate, but I am totally lost on this. There are delays in the remote, by holding down the help button, but it is my understanding again that these have nothing to do with when a device is powered on after you select the watch TV activity. I ordered the power on sequence by making the receiver come on first, but that isn't enough time to let the receiver power up and get ready for the handshake. Can someone come to my house and set up these delays for me so I don't have to keep unplugging my receiver : )
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post #795 of 862
2/18/13 at 5:39pm
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Its the one for use with the software. Not myharmony

I swear I read them both.
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post #796 of 862
2/18/13 at 5:47pm
Maybe I should just download 7.7 and give it a shot. Unless someone can explain to me how to delay the power on on the cable box, while my receiver boots up.
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post #797 of 862
2/18/13 at 6:00pm
For me, i didnt use any of the preset buttons. (Watch tv, watch movie, etc.) when I set mine up. I ignored them and set up my own activities under the star button. For me, sometimes i watch tv with surround and sometimes without surround. I know a couple months ago I used myharmony to make changes to in which order the devices turned on. By just clicking on the device from the list and moving it up or down. There was also a delay setting you could adjust. I dont recall the exact procedure. I just played around with it. It all seems to work fine. Maybe try and set up a new activity and see if that work. You can name each activity. Good luck, just trying to help.....
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post #798 of 862
2/18/13 at 6:26pm
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What am I missing? I didn't want to be an ass and say I had read the manual front to back (which I had), but I don't see anything in the manual about power on delays.

Sorry, there's two versions and I linked the wrong one; there's a user guide and a manual This one http://images.harmonyremote.com/EasyZapper/Downloads/UserManual/Harmony650/enu/Harmony650_UserManual.pdf

go to page 21/22...
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post #799 of 862
2/18/13 at 6:27pm
I definitely appreciate the help. I know right where you are talking about. I go there, and when you hit "add delay" and it makes it procedure #4. It won't let me move it up in the process for some reason. It seems like it should be so easy.
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post #800 of 862
2/18/13 at 6:28pm
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Maybe I should just download 7.7 and give it a shot. Unless someone can explain to me how to delay the power on on the cable box, while my receiver boots up.

Definitely use the download
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post #801 of 862
2/18/13 at 6:42pm
I seem to recall that when I was messing with it. It would allow me to grab it and move it. Sometimes it wouldn't place it where I wanted it. I just kept messing with it and puff it finally placed it where I wanted. I think I might have paused in the position where I wanted it.
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post #802 of 862
2/18/13 at 6:50pm
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I definitely appreciate the help. I know right where you are talking about. I go there, and when you hit "add delay" and it makes it procedure #4. It won't let me move it up in the process for some reason. It seems like it should be so easy.

Software is kinda clunky, just be patient and experiment a bit. It's still far easier than many other ways of using a single remote like trying to match codes or extended remote learning sessions. Also use google search, it can get you to specific solutions fairly well.
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post #803 of 862
2/18/13 at 7:16pm
Ok. After reading over and over and over again, I think I need to adjust the input delay which is defined as:

Input Delay
The Input Delay is the amount of time that the remote takes when switching between inputs. Many devices need a certain amount of time before changing to the next input in the input list.

The "input list" is the components list and there order of powering on. Correct?

I thought it was this:

nter-Device Delay
The Inter-Device Delay is the amount of time between commands for different devices when you start an Activity. The Inter-Device Delay is also the time between the next sequence of commands that are sent to other devices within an Activity.

But I changed all the setting on all the devices to two seconds and it didn't change anything. All the components fired up immediately.
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post #804 of 862
2/18/13 at 7:24pm
Ok guys. Thanks for the help. I'm not not scared of just pushing buttons. It's just that everything has been so easy thus far, this has been the only road block I have hit. And honestly, the remote shouldn't be the one compensating. The receiver should be able to handle the signal as is. Thanks again. I'll keep playing with it.
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post #805 of 862
2/19/13 at 7:21pm
Your welcome. I'll be having fun myself in a couple days. I picked up a new blu ray player. So i will be programing that into the mix soon.
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post #806 of 862
2/19/13 at 9:25pm
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Maybe I should just download 7.7 and give it a shot.

Did my link above not work?

 

Definitely, use the Windows v7.7.x software that you install on your computer. That's all I've ever used. It does more than MyHarmony online only stuff.

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post #807 of 862
2/20/13 at 6:16am
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Did my link above not work?

Definitely, use the Windows v7.7.x software that you install on your computer. That's all I've ever used. It does more than MyHarmony online only stuff.

I havent gotten that far tesla. My apple tv and dvd players came in yesterday, so I was playing with those, and I was still trying to use the myharmony to move the delay and was just hoping I was doing something wrong. But I am going to download that software tonight and give that a shot. Thanks for the link and I will let you guys know how it goes.
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post #808 of 862
2/20/13 at 7:19am
FWIW I can't really complain about using the MyHarmony -pretty easy to use.
I did use the software for a bit and ended up going back to the MyHarmony.
Edited by Bri in Mtl - 2/20/13 at 11:00am
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post #809 of 862
2/20/13 at 8:06am
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FWIW I can't really complain about using the MyHarmony -pretty easy to use.
I did using the software for a bit and ended up going back to the MyHarmony.
MyHarmony looks nice and is easy to use, but it's missing so much functionality it's pretty useless to me:

- no sequences
- no way to adjust backlight time
- ability to adjust delays/repeats is very limited
- no way to import pronto hex
- no way to add more steps to the start/end of activity macros
- no way to reorder activities
- no way to rename devices

The list goes on.

Don't get me wrong, the 7.7 software also sucks in a big way. So to fix it, they removed half the functionality and made it look prettier. But if I'm paying good money for a remote, I expect the software to be fully functional. The sad thing is I (and probably many others) told them about all these problems during the beta of myharmony and their response was that those features would never be added back. Why even have a beta if you won't listen to any feedback?

Anyway, they're now reaping what they sewed. Maybe the new owners will actually listen to their customers.
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post #810 of 862
2/20/13 at 12:46pm
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Anyway, they're now reaping what they sewed. Maybe the new owners will actually listen to their customers.

I certainly hope so too. Or else I will just buy refurbished Harmony remotes to be able to use the features they used to offer.
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