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post #1 of 21
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Hello,

Will the samsung (SSG-2100) and/or Panasonic (TY-EW3D10U) 3d shutter glasses now available at Best buy work with HD TVs with the "3d Sync Out" connector if you have an IR emitter?

If so, does anyone know the specifications for the "3d Sync Out" interface and what it would take to build an emitter?

Thanks,

Larry
post #2 of 21
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Originally Posted by LarryTru View Post

Hello,

Will the samsung (SSG-2100) and/or Panasonic (TY-EW3D10U) 3d shutter glasses now available at Best buy work with HD TVs with the "3d Sync Out" connector if you have an IR emitter?

If so, does anyone know the specifications for the "3d Sync Out" interface and what it would take to build an emitter?

Thanks,

Larry

What is the make and model number of your TV?
post #3 of 21
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

What is the make and model number of your TV?

Thanks for the reply.

Samsung HL67A750

Larry
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by LarryTru View Post

Thanks for the reply.

Samsung HL67A750

Larry

All you need are these:

http://www.xpandcinema.com/products/glasses/X102-home/

According to what many are saying here who are in the know, your DLP has DLP-Link in it. They will be available from XpanD in about 2 weeks.

Then you have to wait for the Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 3D format converter (rumored to sell for about $100) - should be out in a couple of months - and you are good to go. Can buy a 3D BD player if you want (If you already have a PS3, a free 3D BD firmware upgrade is coming later this year) and if you have either CBL or SAT with a current HD STB, you will be able to get 3D programming (which depends on your carrier).
post #5 of 21
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All you need are these:

http://www.xpandcinema.com/products/glasses/X102-home/

According to what many are saying here who are in the know, your DLP has DLP-Link in it. They will be available from XpanD in about 2 weeks.

Then you have to wait for the Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 3D format converter (rumored to sell for about $100) - should be out in a couple of months - and you are good to go. Can buy a 3D BD player if you want (If you already have a PS3, a free 3D BD firmware upgrade is coming later this year) and if you have either CBL or SAT with a current HD STB, you will be able to get 3D programming (which depends on your carrier).

Thanks, what is the format converter for? I do have a PS3 and am anxious for the 3d firmware update. I was interested in the xpand glasses, but they haven't been available and I'm slow to buy them over the web because I don't know how well they will work for mw. So, when I saw Best Buy is selling the Samsung and Panasonic ones I wanted to try to use them.
post #6 of 21
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Thanks, what is the format converter for?

All the DLP 3D ready RPTV's work using a 3D format called Checkerboard. here is a LINK from TI - the inventor of the DLP MMD chip explaining all about it. There is more than one 3D format. 3D BD will use what is called frame packed 1080x24p. Looks like this (that is a single frame BTW):



And there is another 3D format called Side-by-Side (CBL and SAT) which looks like this only the images are squeezed to retain their 1.78 aspect ratio:



What that converter will do in each case, is to convert the 3D format to Checkerboard, the only 3D format your DLP RPTV can use.

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I do have a PS3 and am anxious for the 3d firmware update.

Sony's 3DTVs are supposed to be released in June in the USA so IMO, the PS3 3D BD upgrade should happen around that time. There will be two upgrades. one for 3D gaming (first) and the other for 3D BD (second)

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I was interested in the xpand glasses, but they haven't been available and I'm slow to buy them over the web because I don't know how well they will work for me.

Yes - they have been out of stock and again, will be back in stock in 2 weeks. I can verify that, I sent them an Email and they responded. You need to call them.

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So, when I saw Best Buy is selling the Samsung and Panasonic ones I wanted to try to use them.

Neither will work because they are propriatary to their new 3DTV's. No emitter sold.
post #7 of 21
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Neither will work because they are propriatary to their new 3DTV's. No emitter sold.

Thankd for all the info. I did call the xpand people. But my current question centers on the new Samsung and Panasonic glasses. Is it only because they do not provide an emitter? Or is there other incompatibilities? I would like to try to build an emitter if someone knows the details on the interface.

Larry
post #8 of 21
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Thankd for all the info. I did call the xpand people. But my current question centers on the new Samsung and Panasonic glasses. Is it only because they do not provide an emitter? Or is there other incompatibilities? I would like to try to build an emitter if someone knows the details on the interface.

Larry

The frequency of the IR emitters is unknown. No idea where you would get that info. The emitter is built into both the new Samsung 3DTVs and the Panasonic 3DTVs.

You can contact these people to inquire when their DLP-Link glasses will ship. They received rave reviews at CES

http://www.bitcauldron.com/products/...es/bc3000.html
post #9 of 21
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...I would like to try to build an emitter if someone knows the details on the interface...Larry

Try this link.
post #10 of 21
Larry,
Is there any reason that the following products won't provide you what you need?


http://www.i-glassesstore.com/dlp3d-wireless-2set.html

You can then get an adapter box when they come out to convert 3D BR playr output to checkerboard to send to your Mits 3D DLP RPTV.

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/dlp3d-wireless-2set.html
post #11 of 21
Larry - what is it about either the Samsung or the Panasonic 3D ASGs that you like, that you don't like with the XpanD ASGs?
post #12 of 21
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Larry - what is it about either the Samsung or the Panasonic 3D ASGs that you like, that you don't like with the XpanD ASGs?

Exactly. I don't want to knock the new Samsung or Panasonic ASGs since I haven't tried them, but XpanD has been in the market of making ASGs for a long time, quality ones at that.
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by taz291819 View Post

Exactly. I don't want to knock the new Samsung or Panasonic ASGs since I haven't tried them, but XpanD has been in the market of making ASGs for a long time, quality ones at that.

This being a new technology fo rme, I prefer to buy form a brick and mortar store so I can return them if it doesn't work as planned. Plus, I just thought it would be cool to build my own emitter if the data is available.
post #14 of 21
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Larry,
Is there any reason that the following products won't provide you what you need?


http://www.i-glassesstore.com/dlp3d-wireless-2set.html

You can then get an adapter box when they come out to convert 3D BR playr output to checkerboard to send to your Mits 3D DLP RPTV.

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/dlp3d-wireless-2set.html

Some time back, I read a review which was not favorable on these particular glasses. I don't have any personal experience either way though.
post #15 of 21
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Try this link.

Excellent! Thank you!
post #16 of 21
Hopefully both the parts and the glases shown in the 7 year old link posted by James are still available since your only othr choice is from the one's you didn't like the reviews of or the DLP-Link glases which do not require an emitter and AFAK can work cocurrently the ones that do.
post #17 of 21
I have the glasses from the links provided. They're ok, but not the best. I'd only recommend them for testing out 3D, not for sitting through an entire film.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Hopefully both the parts and the glases shown in the 7 year old link posted by James are still available since your only othr choice is from the one's you didn't like the reviews of or the DLP-Link glases which do not require an emitter and AFAK can work cocurrently the ones that do.

Actually, my priority it to find some I can buy locally and I thought building an emitter would be fun if I can find the information I need. There are other models coming onto the market soon for me to choose from as well. I was just trying ot leverage the ones that are available locally now.


Thanks,

Larry
post #19 of 21
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Actually, my priority it to find some I can buy locally and I thought building an emitter would be fun if I can find the information I need. There are other models coming onto the market soon for me to choose from as well. I was just trying ot leverage the ones that are available locally now.


Thanks,

Larry

How will you know the correct IR frequency to set the emitter at and are they adjustable as far as frequency?
post #20 of 21
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How will you know the correct IR frequency to set the emitter at and are they adjustable as far as frequency?

I would think you could get an adjustable IR led, just look at universal remotes, such as the Harmony.
post #21 of 21
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How will you know the correct IR frequency to set the emitter at and are they adjustable as far as frequency?

I don't know anything about the signal coming form the TV yet. For all I know it is already modulated at the correct frequency and all that is needed is to drive the LED properly. Of course that may NOT be true. That is why I'm looking for details on the interface.

Someone gave me a link that looks promising, but I haven't had a chance to read it yet.

Larry
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