How long will you wait for a particular 3D T.V.?

LOL!

First I said March 2011. Then I said Black Friday. my current thinking is by the end of August.

I really want to see the 58" Panasonic and see what the price difference is versus the 65". IMO, Panasonic's offerring are a year ahead of the other 3DTV CEMs.

So maybe by the end of July.

Just read my sig.

That 65" Toshiba Cell 3DTV is going to be EXPENSIVE. And I don't believe LCD is capable of showing 3D as well as PDP.

Old saying . . .

"If all you have is a hammer - everything starts to look like a nail."

I hope I have the will power to wait for a serious number of 3D Blu-ray titles to become available before I jump in. Since I prefer Dish to DirecTV, I don't have D*'s 3D channels to lure me in this summer. Meanwhile, it's going to be fun checking out the new 3D models as they hit the market in the next few months.

Another thing keeping me in check is the screen sizes. I won't be satisfied until I get a 3D front projector, but I think a large (65") plasma in a bedroom might be really nice. I might end up getting one of those this summer, while waiting for the 3D projectors closer to the end of the year, or even next year. I doubt seriously I'll be able to hold out until 2011 before I get some sort of 3D set.

For the most part I'll be waiting until theres a steady stream of content(gaming included). At the very least Ill wait until 2nd gen 3DTVs come out, I dont quite wanna be the guinea pig.

Here are my hard requirements before I will purchase any 3D system. These requirements are not negotiable and all must be met before I purchase anything:

-1080p DLP projector supporting DLP Link active shutter glasses
-Black Diamond II motorized screen (not released yet so I can't get anything until this comes out)
-XpanD X104 DLP Link glasses
-HDMI powered splitter that supports splitting HDMI signal into HDMI 1.4 for projector and into 1.3 for Onkyo TX-SR707.

What is your planned souce and format of the 3D content you plan on sending to the PJ?

Nothing announced.


OK


XpanD just updated their website. They will be available January 2011


Just get a Panasonic BDT300 or BDT350 (has DLNA) 3D BD player. Then when they announce a 1.4 powered splitter, and I am sure they will, that's all you need.

NVIDIA 3D Vision from PC and Arcsoft Total Media Theatre for Blu-ray

I already have a PS3 and Arcsoft Total Media Theatre 3 for Blu-ray playback. I prefer the Arcsoft solution due to the Bitstreaming capabilities so I don't want to get another Blu-ray player considering I built my PC as a base for being able to do everything.

It's disappointing that the glasses will not be released until next year. Since a 1080p projector and hopefully the screen will be out before then it seems that the glasses are going to be the peripheral that holds me back.

What resolution and format do you plan on using from Nvidia 3D vision to the front projector over what interface?

If Panasonic can do it, I am sure one of the top Switcher/Splitter/Dist. Amp companies can also.


Something special about the X104 series that the X102's can't be used?

We don't know how TI is going to handle FullHD 3D. Any assumptions today are IMO, too early. Just going to a 1080P DLP 3D FPTV over todays 720P units doesn't get you FullHD 3D.

HDMI with 1080p for everything. I didn't get Quad SLI so I could do 720p . This also means the projector needs to be 3D Vision compatible (like the HD66) and not just HDMI 1.4 3D since that maxes at 720p for gaming...

I plan on purchasing at least 8 pairs of glasses so I want to be able to bring them to my friend's houses. I highly doubt anyone else I know would be getting DLP Link systems so supporting IR (and Bluetooth for Vizio sets) is kind of a must imo.

If TI doesn't create a Full 1080p DLP chip (not checkerboard like current RPTVs) then they are going to lose a TON of marketshare in the near future.

Pete,
To get full 1080p for each eye for 3D you would need to transmit in 2 frames per buffer in packed buffer format whcih has a resolution of 1920x2205 and not 1920x1080 which is done by the output from the Full 3d BLu-ray players for TVs that accept them using HDMI 1.4.
The most you can get with 1080p over HDMI is 1/2 resolution content using checkerboard or side-by-side format.

I think you would need the new Nvidia Vision 3D-TV for what you want to accomplish, see:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/n...for-3d-vision/

3DTV Play only supports 720p for anything higher than 48Hz (24 per eye, BD 3D spec).

What I'm looking for is 1080p @120Hz which is what the Nvidia 3D Vision system does for the LCD monitors. This is only needed for gaming since Blu-ray I can just use 3DTV Play.

Just in case you don't know, the X104 glasses have been rumored to sell for $250 a pair.


They may have to go with twin DLP chips for FullHD 3D. But then again, the switching speed of the DLP MMD may be fast enough for single DLP chip FullHD 3D

But with 3DTV you need a front projector that will accept the 1920x2205 resolution buffers over an HDMI 1.4 interface and then can display the full 1080p content on a screen using a projection method and supporting glased that will enable to see the left and right eye 1080p content at 60fps so as not to have flicker just as the new 3D plasmas can or at 120fps as the new 240HZ LCD 3D HDTV can. So far ony the dual projector and lens IMAX system or the dual projector single lens Real3D digital thetre projcectors can and they use polarized simultaneous display of the content of both eyes and polarized glases to view it.

The LG CF3D is a single lens, dual LCOS engine, Full HD per eye projector that uses polarization.

Very interesting and at an interesting price.
It mentions that it displays "Full HD 1080p, XR-3D, Real Cinema" content. Do you know how a user would convert Full HD 3D blu-ray disk content to this format?

They showed it in operation using a prototype LG 3D BD player at CES.

Unpacks the 3D BD frame, then sends L eye to one LCOS engine and R eye to the other.

There still have not been any anoucements that I am aware of a Front Projector that will accept and display full 1920x1080@60Hz for each eye and no just accept 960x1080@60Hz for each eye and upscale it to 1920x1080@60HZ for each eye such as the 3D DLP TVs that use checkerboard format.

I am prepared to wait as long as it takes until the software (movies and games) is sufficient enough to quell what I forsee as a weekly need by me to get something new, AND until larger screens are sub $3k at retail...

Probably not long, given that criteria, but again, as long as it takes!

$250 a pair sucks! I'd settle for X102s if the X104s cost that much (assuming I can get them in black... Since you want the least ambient light for 3D I don't understand why all XpanD glasses aren't black to begin with.


I'm aware that there haven't been any announcements for projectors up to my specifications. It still doesn't change the fact that they are my requirements and no company will be getting my money until they are met

You can - assuming that when they say "they are back in stock," they mean all colors:

http://www.xpandcinema.com/products/...dX102-home.pdf

The X104's will be universal for IR, DLP-Link and BlueTooth and the frame is made out of titanium for light weight and long lasting durability.

You can also go with the Bit Cauldron DLP-Link glasses. They are black and will be available "2nd half of 2010." See my BUYERS GUIDE sticky for all the info and links. Made quite a splash at CES for those that saw them.

What we need DLP Cinema for the home, see:

http://www.dlp.com/cinema/

Goodnesss knows what it would cost but at least the home and the theatres would be uisnng the same technology.

Thanks for the info regarding the X104s. I'll probably end up buying 2 or 3 X104s and 3-5 X102s for my system whenever I purchase it lol. I kind of wish XpanD made rechargeable glasses instead of replaceable battery ones though.

They claim 250 hours for the battery and the battery is cheap when you buy them in quantity.

Battery dies - just replace it - takes 30 seconds. Rechargable dies, wait for it to recharge.

250 hours is fine then for some reason I thought it was 40 lol.

Rechargeables never die though since after I use them I just plug them in. I won't be using them nonstop for more than 6 hours ever though haha.

Sure they do. I've used rechargeable AAs and AAAs for years. The life span, in my experience, is never what the manufacturer claims. Of course, the glasses may wear out before it becomes a problem, but rechargeables have their own drawbacks (dying just when you need them, long recharging times).

The AA and AAA batteries you refer to are based on NiMH technology. NiMH has a relatively fast discharge time when they are not used compared to Li-Ion batteries which hold their charge for weeks or months. If you constantly have the glasses plugged in when they are not in use they will not be discharged when you go to use them.

Modern Li-Ion batteries have a 500-1000 charge lifecycle. For glasses rated at 100 hours per charge this would mean 50,000-100,000 hours of use before the glasses die. This is 5-11 years of constant use before you run into trouble.

Around April 23rd. PN63C8000.

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