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post #31 of 65
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Originally Posted by Sam1234 View Post

EDIT: Theres a wall then LCD/Computer against that and we sit in that area when were watching TV etc.. the rest is just open space.

You have to factor in all open space when buying a sub pal. I'm not trying to discourage you, I'm trying to educate you so that you aren't buying a product that wont work for you.
post #32 of 65
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Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

You have to factor in all open space when buying a sub pal. I'm not trying to discourage you, I'm trying to educate you so that you aren't buying a product that wont work for you.

No please do let me know cause I never knew that. So basically even if we sit in a 15x15 area it dont matter? I would think that the closer we are to the woofer the more we well feel/hear it?
post #33 of 65
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No please do let me know cause I never knew that. So basically even if we sit in a 15x15 area it dont matter? I would think that the closer we are to the woofer the more we well feel/hear it?

With all that open space you're pushing a lot more air than you would if you had just a closed 15 x 15 room. With subwoofer frequencies you have to take in account how much open space and the shape of the room. You are going to lose a lot of detal and the bass will just sound weak at best.
post #34 of 65
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Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

With all that open space you're pushing a lot more air than you would if you had just a closed 15 x 15 room. With subwoofer frequencies you have to take in account how much open space and the shape of the room. You are going to lose a lot of detal and the bass will just sound weak at best.

Well in this case I guess I well get a BIC PL-200. Would adding another one in the future make a difference?
post #35 of 65
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Well in this case I guess I well get a BIC PL-200. Would adding another one in the future make a difference?

Yes another one will make a difference. Out of all the subs you are looking at the PL-200 is the best bet for your space though it still is going to sound weak in that space of yours. As long as you have realistic expectations then I think you'll be happy with it.
post #36 of 65
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Yes another one will make a difference. Out of all the subs you are looking at the PL-200 is the best bet for your space though it still is going to sound weak in that space of yours. As long as you have realistic expectations then I think you'll be happy with it.

You would not believe me if i told you the first and only system I ever had with a subwoofer is a Logitech Z2300.
post #37 of 65
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You would not believe me if i told you the first and only system I ever had with a subwoofer is a Logitech Z2300.

You gotta start somewhere man. Unless a person is made of money most people start of with a HTIB system. it isn't until later that they upgrade their system one piece at a time.
post #38 of 65
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You gotta start somewhere man. Unless a person is made of money most people start of with a HTIB system. it isn't until later that they upgrade their system one piece at a time.

Agree, Thank very much for the help.
post #39 of 65
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You gotta start somewhere man. Unless a person is made of money most people start of with a HTIB system. it isn't until later that they upgrade their system one piece at a time.

Another question kinda of stupid but what would you consider to be the best subwoofer ever?
post #40 of 65
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Another question kinda of stupid but what would you consider to be the best subwoofer ever?

I don't know much about subs and the advice I gave you tonight is stuff I have learned on various forums, so it would be impossible for me and maybe anyone to answer that question. You could ask 20 people and get 20 different answers.
post #41 of 65
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Another question kinda of stupid but what would you consider to be the best subwoofer ever?

Start researching subs at $1,000 and up so you can begin to fathom the question you are asking here.
post #42 of 65
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Its $85 more.. The Bic F12 is $185 and the BIC PL-200 $270

Is this thread not about the VK-12? Which is not the F12. My mistake I do see where you bring up the F12 now though. Sort of changed subs there all of a sudden.
post #43 of 65
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Is this thread not about the VK-12? Which is not the F12. My mistake I do see where you bring up the F12 now though. Sort of changed subs there all of a sudden.

Well my original Buy was going to be a BIC F12 now im trying to justify the $95 more for the BIC PL200.. Do you think there is a actually difference in the amount of bass this is going to put out? I was going to put this in the basement Now I decided to put it in a room it is 12ft X 6ft.
post #44 of 65
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Originally Posted by dacdd View Post

Hey quad, was curious if you always had 2? I mean did you start with 1 pl-200 and go to 2. I am just wondering if theres a big difference adding a second one, I am really on the fence about buying another one or just sticking with one

i started off with the intention of buying 2. i personally did not think that 1 PL-200 sub would adaquately fill a 27x15x11 room. i mean, as good as it is, its still only a 250W RMS sub. instead of having one powerful sub offset i chose to have 2 slightly less powerful subs to balance out the room. i prefer to have all seats to have as close to the same listening quality i have when i watch a movie.

imo, if i were to choose a single sub for my room i would go with a 15" driver and at least 500W RMS. unfortunately those subs cost way more than they should.

as for 2 subs vs 1, thats easy enough. i just popped in a bass test CD and comparing the bass between the 2 is pretty apparent. the 2 sub setup is much louder vs 1 sub. the lows arent any deeper or clearer or anything like that, just reinforced. im sure someone here will pick apart this post but basically the difference from my point of view between the 1 vs 2 sub question is this: 2 subs is always better than 1 provided you can A. afford it, B. have room, C. can get it past the significant other.
post #45 of 65
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Originally Posted by Mighty_Quad4 View Post

i started off with the intention of buying 2. i personally did not think that 1 PL-200 sub would adaquately fill a 27x15x11 room. i mean, as good as it is, its still only a 250W RMS sub. instead of having one powerful sub offset i chose to have 2 slightly less powerful subs to balance out the room. i prefer to have all seats to have as close to the same listening quality i have when i watch a movie.

imo, if i were to choose a single sub for my room i would go with a 15" driver and at least 500W RMS. unfortunately those subs cost way more than they should.

ROFL.. So if I put a PL 200 in a 12x6 room its going to sound good then?
post #46 of 65
apparently not to you.

went back and read a post or 2 back. i cant tell if youre trying to be sarcastic or not. if you are then it sounds like youve made up your mind already. if not, then the sentence didnt carry over well in text as it may have in person.

to answer the question. yes, a PL-200 would easily fill a room that small. pretty much any sub in a space that small would be overkill, which is just right.
post #47 of 65
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Another question kinda of stupid but what would you consider to be the best subwoofer ever?

there is no best subwoofer ever.

there are good subs, there are expensive subs and cheap subs. somewhere in there is a sub that will fit your epxectations. thats as close to a perfect sub as you can get.
post #48 of 65
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apparently not to you.

went back and read a post or 2 back. i cant tell if youre trying to be sarcastic or not. if you are then it sounds like youve made up your mind already. if not, then the sentence didnt carry over well in text as it may have in person.

to answer the question. yes, a PL-200 would easily fill a room that small. pretty much any sub in a space that small would be overkill, which is just right.

Im not being sarcastic at all I have a huge basement the house its self sits on top 4600sf.. My parents home.. But in the basement we have 2 rooms and one of them I am thinking of putting the TV in there and starting on my first system. First I was going to put the TV in the family room area in the basement but.. Now I am starting to see how all this works I think that room would be perfect its long 12-14ft long and 6ft wide so its perfect for a little home theater in there and big sound.
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PL-200>VK-12 probably (uncertain), PL-200>F12, most likely yes in a pretty noticeable way. Worth the money to me, yes. To you? Maybe not.
post #51 of 65
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Originally Posted by Sam1234 View Post

Im not being sarcastic at all I have a huge basement the house its self sits on top 4600sf.. My parents home.. But in the basement we have 2 rooms and one of them I am thinking of putting the TV in there and starting on my first system. First I was going to put the TV in the family room area in the basement but.. Now I am starting to see how all this works I think that room would be perfect its long 12-14ft long and 6ft wide so its perfect for a little home theater in there and big sound.

i see. a PL-200 would be extremely loud in a room that size. it should play low as well. dont forget to sub crawl when you get it.
post #52 of 65
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Originally Posted by Mighty_Quad4 View Post

i see. a PL-200 would be extremely loud in a room that size. it should play low as well. dont forget to sub crawl when you get it.

Well do another thing I just read about I never new.. Anything else you recommend this being my first time ever buying a real subwoofer?
post #53 of 65
its easy to get extremely technical so before you take any of my advice, remember than im just an avg guy like anyone else. also, read the FAQs at the top of this forum. if you have already read it and are confused, dont worry. some if it is pretty brainy.

for "avg Joe" i recommend placing your sub in the seat that you plan on sitting in as close to ear level as practical. then, play whatever music you have that has DEEP [ ie below 30hz ] bass. there are CDs and DVDs that you can use for this. anyways, the idea is to crawl around the room on your hands n knees with your head about the level of the speaker and find the loudest sound. these spaces with typically be near corners but not always. FYI, theres a DVD test CD in the DIY speaker section that you can burn if youre handy with the computer.

after you have found the spot thats "the loudest", determine if you like that type of sound for your music or movies and either leave it there or find a new spot thats less loud.

the other reason you do a sub crawl is to attempt to lessen sound waves canceling each other out as the travel around the room. its hard to get rid of them all so just focus on whats important to you and place it where its best for you.
post #54 of 65
The VK-12 seems to be the same as the PL-200 in specs only that it has the plain BIC name instead of the Acoustech label.

Anyways, I was going with only one PL-200 for my room that is roughly 25L x 16W x 11H Feet. Do you guys think I need two subs to fill the room? I will be driving some Polk Monitor 70's for Front as well.

dja2k
post #55 of 65
I have seen the VK-12 selling for $245 online, which still places it pretty close to the PL-200 in price.
post #56 of 65
Today, I received a reply to an email I had sent to BIC America about the PL-200 versus the VK-12. You can see that looking at the specs that they are extemely close. The PL-200 has a slightly better frequency range but is also about $20 more. The BIC engineer who replied said that these two subs are so close in performance that a final decision should be made only on price and the cosmetics of the individual cabinets. I was also told that the VK-12 Kevlar driver versus the poly injected driver on the PL-200 was not a deciding factor and that both products were extremely good performers. I also called BIC to ask some other questions about different speakers and I was told that acousticsounddesign has the exclusive rights to sell the PL-200. Acousticsounddesign sells on Ebay and their website.
post #57 of 65
Ordered the PL 200 based on the comments and ratings. Really dont mind the $85 price jump as long as the quality is there.
post #58 of 65
I watched How to Train Your Dragon with my pl200 and wow! Going to watch cloverfield this weekend. From the moment it starts there is low bass so I can't wait. I think it was well worth it.
post #59 of 65
I have replaced my 12 inch, 150W RMS, Sonance "The Sub" because after 3.5 years, it blew. I hooked up and tested my 12 inch, 250W RMS, PL-200 and WOW!!!!!! This thing rocks!!!!! When I first got my Sonance sub, I remember testing the sub with Star Wars III at the beginning. I did the same with this sub. I can't get over the amount of sound this thing puts out. My wife said that dishes in our kitchen were shaking (Our kitchen is downstairs below the 12 X 15 X 8 theater room). I have the sub firing through a cut out in the wall from inside a small equipment room. The equipment room is about 5 X 6 X 8. With the sub up near full power, my ears were hurting/uncomfortable inside the equipment room. This sub moves a lot of air. With the door closed, it was even rattling the door. I never got this kind of sound from my more expensive Sonance sub. I pushed this sub far and loud and never heard a hint of any issues like cracking. 25%-40% power is all I plan on using, except when I want to impress friends. I always thought my Sonance sub was nice, but I'd rate this sub much, much higher. This is my first BIC purchase, so the next big question is longevity. I'm hoping for a very long life. My Sonance "The Sub" retailed for $1200 and could be found for the $650 range new. Sonance offers a lifetime warranty, but I did not purchase it from a dealer, but from Ebay. The PL-200 has an 8 year warranty, but was only $270 shipped and it blows away the Sonance sub.
If you are in the market for a new or improved sub, buy the PL-200. You won't regret it. ...........I wish I was getting commisions on sales. I plan on telling everyone how good this sub is.
post #60 of 65
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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post
I have replaced my 12 inch, 150W RMS, Sonance "The Sub" because after 3.5 years, it blew. I hooked up and tested my 12 inch, 250W RMS, PL-200 and WOW!!!!!! This thing rocks!!!!! When I first got my Sonance sub, I remember testing the sub with Star Wars III at the beginning. I did the same with this sub. I can't get over the amount of sound this thing puts out. My wife said that dishes in our kitchen were shaking (Our kitchen is downstairs below the 12 X 15 X 8 theater room). I have the sub firing through a cut out in the wall from inside a small equipment room. The equipment room is about 5 X 6 X 8. With the sub up near full power, my ears were hurting/uncomfortable inside the equipment room. This sub moves a lot of air. With the door closed, it was even rattling the door. I never got this kind of sound from my more expensive Sonance sub. I pushed this sub far and loud and never heard a hint of any issues like cracking. 25%-40% power is all I plan on using, except when I want to impress friends. I always thought my Sonance sub was nice, but I'd rate this sub much, much higher. This is my first BIC purchase, so the next big question is longevity. I'm hoping for a very long life. My Sonance "The Sub" retailed for $1200 and could be found for the $650 range new. Sonance offers a lifetime warranty, but I did not purchase it from a dealer, but from Ebay. The PL-200 has an 8 year warranty, but was only $270 shipped and it blows away the Sonance sub.
If you are in the market for a new or improved sub, buy the PL-200. You won't regret it. ...........I wish I was getting commisions on sales. I plan on telling everyone how good this sub is.
thanks mr jeffrey jones BSME for your post. this really is a closer to all my doubts because i already ordered the PL200 yesterday. i really wanted the klipsch sub-12 after hearing it from bestbuy but it is just too expensive for me. thanks a lot man! and thanks for everybody's posts about the BIC PL200. now, im looking forward to getting it on my mail. so EXCITED!!!
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