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post #211 of 703
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Originally Posted by CoasterMatt View Post

Well, the Ultra 10 got here this week- and I am VERY happy with it so far.

It blends in nicely with my RB35/RC35 (I set them to SMALL and the crossover to 60hz)

I can't wait to see what my wife thinks of it, when she gets back from her mini-vacation.

awesome. mine should be here tuesday.

what volume did you set the sub to?

what about phase? did you leave it at 0 or 180?
post #212 of 703
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Originally Posted by IsaacHayes View Post

Does anyone have a close up photo of the cone? I is it woven or paper in appearance? I can't tell from the photos on the site if the back side of the cone is pulp or not. It could be a pulp+fiber reinforced. I have to admit I like a rubber surround + poly or metal cone myself as far as looks, but I know that performance and the sub lasting are not dictated by one type of material, but rather the quality of how that material is put together and implemented.

Here are some close up pics. I think you are probably right that it is paper blended with the para-aramid fiber.
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post #213 of 703
It's a nice looking cone that's for sure. The traditional black cone with round dust cap is growing on me. Just seems as though HT should have that "look" over the modern inverted dust cap. I know, I'm weird!
post #214 of 703
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

awesome. mine should be here tuesday.

what volume did you set the sub to?

what about phase? did you leave it at 0 or 180?

Just a note, I think the phase on these can be set anywhere between 0 to 180, you're not limited to one or the other.
post #215 of 703
I don't understand variable phase.... I used to always swap the + and - to the speaker to change the phase 180*... So how does a knob do it that is variable ???
post #216 of 703
How well would a pair of Ultra Sub 12's preform?

Im also considering a Rythmik F15, A5-350, PB12 and Epik Empire, but im intrigued by going the dual subs route
post #217 of 703
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Originally Posted by Gib View Post

Here are some close up pics. I think you are probably right that it is paper blended with the para-aramid fiber.

It better be, since that's what they're advertising it as.
post #218 of 703
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Originally Posted by IsaacHayes View Post

I don't understand variable phase.... I used to always swap the + and - to the speaker to change the phase 180*... So how does a knob do it that is variable ???

I don't know the technical aspects but Rythmik, SVS, and I'm sure others have variable phase adjustment as well. I think it gives you more flexibility in tuning the sub, especially if you have more than one.
post #219 of 703
If I am going to run a cable under my baseboard and possibly routed into the wall, from the front of the living room (where receiver is) to the rear (where I may want to put the subwoofer) What should I run? Regular RCA? If so at the end near the subwoofer, would I be better off with an RCA Splitter, or an RCA to XLR adapter such as this one?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Or would I be better off running an XLR cable from near the receiver wall to the rear wall?

Currently my Receiver is only RCA so I would use an adapter to go RCA output -> Wallplate XLR, then from the other wallpalte (XLR) to the sub. I want to make sure my cable runs are future proof as much as possible.

Thanks, and the 12 should be here wednesday. I hope Fedex doesn't break it.
post #220 of 703
I currently have two MFW-15s (I know...) in a room of about 5000 cu. ft. I've gone through several amps and one driver, but I haven't had any problems in almost a year. In fact, they perform very well, but I'm a little worried about their long-term successful operation.

How much of a downgrade do you think two Ultra 12s would be?
post #221 of 703
Justin, the XLR is a different voltage spec, and ballanced/etc. I'd just go with RCA. Maybe coaxial/shielded, have to look into that part more... Not sure if you could use RG6 or not for that purpose..

Might want to look into running normal speaker wire too (make sure to use shielded rca cable though if you do) in case of surround expansion (7.2 etc)
post #222 of 703
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Originally Posted by IsaacHayes View Post

Justin, the XLR is a different voltage spec, and ballanced/etc. I'd just go with RCA. Maybe coaxial/shielded, have to look into that part more... Not sure if you could use RG6 or not for that purpose..

Might want to look into running normal speaker wire too (make sure to use shielded rca cable though if you do) in case of surround expansion (7.2 etc)

Isaac,

The way my room is laid out the couch is against the back wall already so there is little point in 7.1. In fact the rear speakers will likely be next to the people on the couch rather than behind the couch (because there is no place to put them). I could mount them to the back wall but then they would stick out over the couch occupants head so I figure trying to get them as close to the rear wall as possible and angling them slightly towards the occupants is as good as it will get.

I guess I will go with the Cl2 rated RG6 RCA cable then. But I am still wondering if I should be using the RCA splitter or RCA-> balanced input (xls?) adapter when connecting to the sub from the wall plate. I do plan on running my speaker wire at the same time. Probably 16ga CL2 rated stuff to make the install easier. Were you suggesting that I run an extra 16ga wire to the subwoofer hookup plate in case I want to add another non powered sub? The more wires I add the harder it is going to be to do a Wall Baseboard install.
post #223 of 703
No I meant run speaker wire for surrounds if you haven't already done so at that time. If you have subwire RCA cable close to where you want subs, you can always Y off of that for multiple subs... Or Y off at the receiver for a sub up front etc. My surrounds can't go on the side of the couch, as it would be in the pathway/hallway (I'll have to get pics). Well the other side would be fine but there is an end table there. Instead I'll have them behind the couch. So I will have 5.1 setup, but the surrounds won't be on the sides, but on the rear. Should be good enough since my L & R fronts will be separated pretty far apart. (I want it that way as too close to the center and I feel it all sounds like it's coming from the front).

Subwoofer position is really an art it seems since so many rooms are different. And as far as cubic feet, here is my experiment. I moved my busted Image Dynamics IDQ v.2 15" (only one VC works, and only part of the time, thx to a friend) from my living room into the office and damn it's loud there. That's a sealed 15" with about 200w RMS tops going to it from an old car amp powered from an old PC power supply. In the living room it is barely audible. I mean you can hear it, but it just does not have the presence or impact. Of course this is not a SPL sub, but a SQ sub, and it's busted up, without much watts going to it. But still that gives me a reference that I will need some serious sub output to fill my living room with serious impact and excitement (which is going to be a theater room really, no WAF to hold me back).
post #224 of 703
Wanted to say thanks to those in this thread for all of the input. I just placed an order with Emo for a 10" Ultra on their $269 special. I had been looking at a Bic F12 & would have chosen it at the $156 price that was shown yesterday by Amazon, but I wasn't quick enough & that sub is now north of $200. This seems like a better deal at the $269 price point than the F12 is at $218, at least for my needs of 50/50 HT vs. music. Can't wait to try it out, unfortunately that will be a few weeks since I'm moving in 2 weekends.

For those that want in on this sale, you need to move quickly. I called & asked how much longer the sale would be going & he said that it ends on July 15 (this Thursday).
post #225 of 703
I purchased two Ultra 12's recently. Only one is hooked up right now under an end table. I'm afraid to hook up the second one because it will be more exposed to my 22 month old son. He would likely tear into the cover, so I'm waiting until he's a bit older.

Let me tell you that even with one Ultra 12, the sound is simply great. I watched "Iron Man" and "The Hurt Locker"...the LFE is just awesome!

Musically the Ultra 12 sounds just a tad boomy, but I have not really played around with the sub placement or dialed it in completely. Lars Ulrich's speed drumming hasn't sounded better since my Infinity SSW-212 was in action.

I can say unequivocally that this sub is worth $359 and then some. Just one Ultra 12 sounds better than the Definitive Technology Supercube 2 that it replaced that cost twice as much.

I may even put together a HT setup in my bedroom where the second Ultra 12 may be used.

For those of you on the fence, pull the trigger!
post #226 of 703
Why is it soo hard to choose a sub?? My head feels like it might just explode from the constant researching...This ultra 12 at its current price has really been getting a lot of attention...To me it seems like it just wouldn't be much better than the BIC PL-200 but i have no clue either since I have the newby Onkyo sub, lol. My budget is not really of concern more than the value for the $$...I have an opportunity to purchase a used HSU vtf-3 MK3 for less than 600...I know i should purchase the best in my budget and that HSU sub is, but will I be just as happy with the Ultra 12?? I need a little more advice...
post #227 of 703
So was thr BIC deal a much better value? I mean $150 for a similar sub is less than 1/2 what I paid for the Emotiva 12. Is the Emotiva 12 really that much better?

Starting the have buyers remorse and I don't even have it in hand yet.
post #228 of 703
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Originally Posted by Justintoxicated View Post

So was thr BIC deal a much better value? I mean $150 for a similar sub is less than 1/2 what I paid for the Emotiva 12. Is the Emotiva 12 really that much better?

Starting the have buyers remorse and I don't even have it in hand yet.

I can't speak to that since I haven't listened to either. The Bic F12 isn't priced at that point any longer, since that seemed to be a very short-lived deal yesterday at $156. It's currently at $218 through Amazon, & based on that I don't think that I'd have buyer's remorse in getting the Emotiva. For myself, I purchased the Ultra 10" & at only $51 more than the F12 is currently priced, I felt that based on what I've read about both subs that the Ultra would be worth spending the extra $51 on. I'm coming from a ported Infinity 10", so I didn't feel the need to move to a 12". Based on what I've read, the 10 should come within a hair of playing as low as the F12, & it may just do it cleaner, particularly with music sources.

As far as value for a 12" sub goes though, perception is reality & it's one reason why the debate continues to rage in these forums.
post #229 of 703
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Originally Posted by Justintoxicated View Post

If I am going to run a cable under my baseboard and possibly routed into the wall, from the front of the living room (where receiver is) to the rear (where I may want to put the subwoofer) What should I run? Regular RCA? If so at the end near the subwoofer, would I be better off with an RCA Splitter, or an RCA to XLR adapter such as this one?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Or would I be better off running an XLR cable from near the receiver wall to the rear wall?

Currently my Receiver is only RCA so I would use an adapter to go RCA output -> Wallplate XLR, then from the other wallpalte (XLR) to the sub. I want to make sure my cable runs are future proof as much as possible.

Thanks, and the 12 should be here wednesday. I hope Fedex doesn't break it.

I wouldnt run the cable until you know that that would be the best sounding placement for that sub.
post #230 of 703
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Originally Posted by quattroatl View Post

I purchased two Ultra 12's recently. Only one is hooked up right now under an end table. I'm afraid to hook up the second one because it will be more exposed to my 22 month old son. He would likely tear into the cover, so I'm waiting until he's a bit older.

Let me tell you that even with one Ultra 12, the sound is simply great. I watched "Iron Man" and "The Hurt Locker"...the LFE is just awesome!

Musically the Ultra 12 sounds just a tad boomy, but I have not really played around with the sub placement or dialed it in completely. Lars Ulrich's speed drumming hasn't sounded better since my Infinity SSW-212 was in action.

I can say unequivocally that this sub is worth $359 and then some. Just one Ultra 12 sounds better than the Definitive Technology Supercube 2 that it replaced that cost twice as much.

I may even put together a HT setup in my bedroom where the second Ultra 12 may be used.

For those of you on the fence, pull the trigger!

Just curious on the above comment. One of my other options I had in mind was one of these (and a Martin Logan Abyss). You used to have a Def Tec SC2? Does the Ultra 12 go lower and appear to have a "cleaner" sound? I have read the SC series don't go as low as advertised and musically aren't that precise sometimes. I think for this price it's too hard to pass up though.
post #231 of 703
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Originally Posted by dbsears87 View Post

Just curious on the above comment. One of my other options I had in mind was one of these (and a Martin Logan Abyss). You used to have a Def Tec SC2? Does the Ultra 12 go lower and appear to have a "cleaner" sound? I have read the SC series don't go as low as advertised and musically aren't that precise sometimes. I think for this price it's too hard to pass up though.

The Ultra 12 definitely goes lower than the Supercube 2. The main reason I got rid if the SC2 was that there was almost no low end effects in movies. Also, musically no matter how much I played around with the settings, it sounded really boomy and inaccurate. Both subs were in the same location as far as placement is concerned.

I tried out the Martin Logan Dynamo 500, DT Supercube 2, and the Emotiva Ultra 12. The ML Dynamo sounded better musically than the SC2 but just did not fill my large den with vaulted ceilings. The SC2 was louder but who cares if you can hear something louder but inaccurate and loose. The Ultra 12 gives me a nice all-around sub for both music and HT.

Actually, the best sounding sub I have experience with is my dead Infinity SSW-212. I can't bring myself to toss it out because the drivers are practically new. I think that these were known for having bad amps.
post #232 of 703
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Originally Posted by warlord260 View Post

I wouldnt run the cable until you know that that would be the best sounding placement for that sub.

Yea, I'm going to buy a 50 foot CL2 rated cable and play around with it, if it ends up where I think it will, the cable will be long enough to run in the wall.
post #233 of 703
The BIC F12 is great for the money for an entry sub (beats all the other entry subs in that price range, especially if you got it for $156 when it was selling for that), but the Ultra many steps above this. The Ultra will be a lot better for music and has 300w RMS (double the F12). Now the F12 is ported, so you may get a lot of output for your money but if you listen to music you'd be happier with the Ultra for sure. And what people are saying the Ultra has good output for being a sealed woofer.

If you have the money, the Ultra is worth getting over the F12 (or even the PL-200) while the sale is going on for sure. Unless you just want lots of output for cheap, in that case maybe several F12's, H100's, etc for movies only would be better... ?
post #234 of 703
Another thing to consider is the warranty... I know that the Emotiva has a 5 year fully transferable warranty; that's a big deal for me and quite long in the electronics world.

EDIT: Just looked up the F12; 5 years so it's a moot point...
post #235 of 703
Mine should be here Thursday. Looking forward to checking it out. Thanks to everyone for all the informative posts.
post #236 of 703
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Originally Posted by IsaacHayes View Post

The BIC F12 is great for the money for an entry sub (beats all the other entry subs in that price range, especially if you got it for $156 when it was selling for that), but the Ultra many steps above this. The Ultra will be a lot better for music and has 300w RMS (double the F12). Now the F12 is ported, so you may get a lot of output for your money but if you listen to music you'd be happier with the Ultra for sure. And what people are saying the Ultra has good output for being a sealed woofer.

If you have the money, the Ultra is worth getting over the F12 (or even the PL-200) while the sale is going on for sure. Unless you just want lots of output for cheap, in that case maybe several F12's, H100's, etc for movies only would be better... ?

This kind of information is very helpful in me making my decision...It kind of puts a little more definition behind the phrase "you get what you pay for". So are you concluding that the pl-200 would be no match for the Ultra 12 in music? And in HT which one would be better, or is it just too close to call? I am not looking to break windows in my house or anything, but I do want a sub with a decent amount of headroom that will give me that movie theater experience...can either sub get fairly close or should I just fork out a couple hundred more for an HSU vtf-2 or 3?

Okay sorry for the questions, but this emotiva sell ends soon. I am going to try and make my decision today...
post #237 of 703
Yeah, BIC is very good with warranty as well. I've read they've been really good to customers with backing up their products. I'll be going with BIC main speakers FWIW.

Yes the PL-200 won't be near as good for music. The Ultra will be a lot less "muddy" and more "repsonsive". I've heard that the PL-200 is "ok" with music though, so it won't be horrible, but it won't sound as accurate for sure. (I don't mean the PL-200 sounds like it's crap). Part of that is just the nature of sealed vs ported boxes, but depends a lot on the driver as well. The PL-200 should be louder in HT being ported and only 50w less than the ultra 12 (assuming both rate the RMS correctly). Both should dig down deep for HT. I'd have to look up the HSU subs I'm not too familiar with them. Ported gains you quite a bit in output. It depends how much music you listen to, and what type I suppose. If you are a bass-head and listen to a lot of rap/etc then the PL-200 would probably be fine. If you listen to other types and want snappy bass then sealed Ultra would be better.

I know I'm on the fence too. I really want to have one of the Ultra's, and was originally going to get 2 12"s but was told my room was too big. So then I have decided to go custom, but I still want something in the mean time. I'm trying to debate if I should just get an Ultra 10 or 12 to give me SOMETHING in the mean time until I can build a ported 15" setup myself. I saw that F12 for $156 but was too late. I don't want to spend a ton if the sub will later be moved to bedroom duty or something. So now back to the Ultras, I'm thinking just one, and like 12's, but that's $100 more. Argh.
post #238 of 703
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Originally Posted by IsaacHayes View Post

Yeah, BIC is very good with warranty as well. I've read they've been really good to customers with backing up their products. I'll be going with BIC main speakers FWIW.

Yes the PL-200 won't be near as good for music. The Ultra will be a lot less "muddy" and more "repsonsive". I've heard that the PL-200 is "ok" with music though, so it won't be horrible, but it won't sound as accurate for sure. (I don't mean the PL-200 sounds like it's crap). Part of that is just the nature of sealed vs ported boxes, but depends a lot on the driver as well. The PL-200 should be louder in HT being ported and only 50w less than the ultra 12 (assuming both rate the RMS correctly). Both should dig down deep for HT. I'd have to look up the HSU subs I'm not too familiar with them. Ported gains you quite a bit in output. It depends how much music you listen to, and what type I suppose. If you are a bass-head and listen to a lot of rap/etc then the PL-200 would probably be fine. If you listen to other types and want snappy bass then sealed Ultra would be better.

I know I'm on the fence too. I really want to have one of the Ultra's, and was originally going to get 2 12"s but was told my room was too big. So then I have decided to go custom, but I still want something in the mean time. I'm trying to debate if I should just get an Ultra 10 or 12 to give me SOMETHING in the mean time until I can build a ported 15" setup myself. I saw that F12 for $156 but was too late. I don't want to spend a ton if the sub will later be moved to bedroom duty or something. So now back to the Ultras, I'm thinking just one, and like 12's, but that's $100 more. Argh.

How big is your room? Mine is about 22x14 8 foot ceiling but it opens into the kitchen and dining room and hallway. I get my sub today so I'll have to set it up and give it a listen before the sale ends tomorrow. Don't forget you can always sell the sub, although that can me a hassle.

The only "HT" sub I can compare it with is my logitech x5500 sub when is a ported 10. It does not sound great but it's pretty good for a computer speaker. I guess I can compare it to my 2 sealed TC1000 10's in my truck, but they have a 1200 watt RMS amp hooked to them in a very small space. I hardly ever turn them up, they are too loud. They do deliver nice clean sealed bass. Pretty accurate for the low frequencies they can deliver. They actually double or tripple in output with the windows rolled down when playing super low frequencies, you can't really hear the super low frequencies but they sure do shake the truck.

I guess I have had my share of car audio sub-woofers so at least I have something to compare with. If the emotiva sub is designed anything like my AA Assassin then I will be happy, it is a very good woofer for the money, I just don't have a box to put it in.

You know Isaac, if you get the right front speakers you can probably go without a sub for a while. My Polk M70's will deliver enough bass to shake things (not like a woofer but they get very low for towers). I'm sure there are others that could get you by too. Of course they left me craving more.

edit: Looks like it won't be here until tomorrow now. So I don't know if I will get it this week at all, but theres a chance someone will be able to sign for it tomorrow. If I end up having to take off work then that kinda kills the "deal".
post #239 of 703
Yeah selling is a hassle, I have a ton of stuff I was "going to" sell still sitting around from the move. I guess it will give me time to go through it and now I have boxes...

Room is ~20x15 with tall vaulted ceilings (at least 12' in the center if not more) and open to the kitchen & dining room & hallway. Yeah I noticed some bass frequencies get louder with the windows down or cracked in my car. Has to be due to reflections cancelling things out or letting the air pressure breath sort of like a ported sub.

I'll have BIC Acoustech PL89 L/R and the matching center and surrounds, those have 8" woofers so they should be pretty good with bass. (rated to 25hz). That will be a total of six 8" woofers, the surrounds are 6.5" with 5x7 passive radiators and only go to 40hz.

Let me know on how the sub sounds in your room. Sounds like ours are similar but mine is bigger due to the ceilings.
post #240 of 703
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Originally Posted by IsaacHayes View Post

Yeah selling is a hassle, I have a ton of stuff I was "going to" sell still sitting around from the move. I guess it will give me time to go through it and now I have boxes...

Room is ~20x15 with tall vaulted ceilings (at least 12' in the center if not more) and open to the kitchen & dining room & hallway. Yeah I noticed some bass frequencies get louder with the windows down or cracked in my car. Has to be due to reflections cancelling things out or letting the air pressure breath sort of like a ported sub.

I'll have BIC Acoustech PL89 L/R and the matching center and surrounds, those have 8" woofers so they should be pretty good with bass. (rated to 25hz). That will be a total of six 8" woofers, the surrounds are 6.5" with 5x7 passive radiators and only go to 40hz.

Let me know on how the sub sounds in your room. Sounds like ours are similar but mine is bigger due to the ceilings.

I'm pretty sure the 12 is going to do the trick, but I guess it depends how loud you like things and how close your neighbors are. Mine are pretty far away, and I still worry I turn it up too loud when working on the other rooms of the house. But I am assuming this will be louder than my logitech which is a ported 10"
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