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post #61 of 703
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

I've been very happy with my Ultra 12. Its better than I thought it would be. I got sick of waiting for SVS, and for a 12 inch sealed under $500 this is a really good sub. Much better than its price may indicate. Don't take the lack of replies as evidence the sub isn't a good one.

Well, i just want to make sure that they really go as deep as they advertise. The whole reason for me buying a new small enclosure sub is because my sub in the bedroom just isnt going low enough for me. No need in wasting $350 if it only does 30Hz instead of the rated 25, ya know?
post #62 of 703
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool View Post

If you don't like it then just send it back at their expense. I'm pretty sure that's their guarantee. I know it's kind of a pain to re-box it and ship it, but what else have you got to lose?

Besides $50 in shipping and time? Nothing.
post #63 of 703
I think Emotiva pays for return shipping which is the reason I took the plunge. I just got my Ultra 12 but haven't gotten a chance to measure it yet. Probably won't until tomorrow.

So far I have been surprised by how low the sub seems to go. I would be surprised if it wasn't reaching 22Hz while only being down ~3dB but again, I haven't made a measurement with REW yet. I watched Serenity and was thrilled with the extension I was getting over my last sub.

To be fair my old sub was a hand-me-down 10" Sherwood from the late 90s. The Emotiva has more power and is in the same size box. My old sub only went down to 30Hz while being down by 6dB so the fact I am hearing (and definitely feeling) bass extension I've never had before is encouraging.

I haven't been able to listen to any music yet either but hopefully I will be able to soon. The room the sub occupies is around 12ft x 10ft and is about 9ft from the main listening position.

The build quality is very nice and so are all of the options on the back of the amp. Volume knob, crossover knob, crossover bypass switch, 3-way power switch, 0-360 phase knob, balanced and unbalanced inputs etc.
post #64 of 703
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Originally Posted by jaeelarr View Post

Well, i just want to make sure that they really go as deep as they advertise. The whole reason for me buying a new small enclosure sub is because my sub in the bedroom just isnt going low enough for me. No need in wasting $350 if it only does 30Hz instead of the rated 25, ya know?

Specs say 22 hz, and it seems like that's accurate. My old sub spec'd at 24 hz (paradigm) and this one goes lower.
post #65 of 703
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Specs say 22 hz, and it seems like that's accurate. My old sub spec'd at 24 hz (paradigm) and this one goes lower.

I was referring to the Ultra 10.
post #66 of 703
everyone wants in on the subwoofer market these days it appears... What is the general consensus on these subs so far?
post #67 of 703
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Originally Posted by gtsum2 View Post

everyone wants in on the subwoofer market these days it appears... What is the general consensus on these subs so far?

People seemed to be pleased with them as far as I can tell.

However, it would be nice to see some actual technical results.
post #68 of 703
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Specs say 22 hz, and it seems like that's accurate. My old sub spec'd at 24 hz (paradigm) and this one goes lower.

You're really trying to tell me you can hear a discernible difference in 2 total Hz? Really? Interesting. Im not calling you a liar, but without a side by side, that is a difficult thing to do. Just sayin.
post #69 of 703
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Originally Posted by jaeelarr View Post

You're really trying to tell me you can hear a discernible difference in 2 total Hz? Really? Interesting. Im not calling you a liar, but without a side by side, that is a difficult thing to do. Just sayin.

Good point, I was just trying to put out some input since nobody seems to have these subs. I'm not a techie so I have no idea how to explain it. I said earlier I compared it with a Paradigm ported 10" sub, a Velodyne 12" sealed, and a JL F113. It bested the paradigm and velodyne in my opinion in extension. I know because it shook my room and the other 2 didn't (where you can feel it as opposed to hearing distortion). I don't know if that is 2 hz or not, but based off the specs that is one of the differences so that's why I said I heard the difference. I guess it could have been something else, but it sure seemed like extension to me. I'm not trying to make any definitive statements....just trying to help. If anyone lives in San Diego you can come over and listen yourself.
post #70 of 703
I was waiting on the SVS SB12-NSD....I decided I wanted to replace my 10" ported paradigm with a sealed 12" right about the time they discontinued the SB12-plus. I just got sick of waiting....SVS was updating their website like every couple months (when they said they'd have info by the end of the week over and over) and I just got a bad vibe. I liked the specs, but honestly they're pretty close. I'm very happy with the Emotiva Ultra 12, and can't imagine the SVS being better or better enough to make me regret the purchase. It being $200 less is just icing on the cake....
post #71 of 703
Let us know how you like it.
post #72 of 703
Right on mookie b....appreciate the input!
post #73 of 703
Hi All,

I have been following this thread for a while because I too am interested in the Ultra 12 sub from Emotiva but I have not read a lot of reviews about this sub just like some of the other members here. My question is - with the introductory offer of $499 with free shipping ending next week would you just go ahead and order this sub as I also was waiting for the new sealed 12" sub from SVS but they won't be available till August 1st so they say.
I also have an opportunity to purchase an Velodyne DEQ-15R at a great price. I know the Velodyne is a 15" woofer and it's not sealed but I have heard the sealed subs are more accurate and tight. (besides the Velodyne has a bigger woofer so it has to be better...right?)
My listening preference is about 30% music and 70% blu-ray movies and my room size is 13x17 with a vaulted ceiling.
I would like to know what you guys think and suggest I purchase.

Thanks for your guys help...

p.s. FYI...I like to feel the chest thumping bass when I watch movies that have a lot of action and special effects but I also don't want "muddy" bass when listening to music.
post #74 of 703
ok, so I got a brief moment to capture some measurements of my Ultra 12. These were taken with REW and a woefully inadequate radio shack digital SPL meter (my calibrated ECM8000 was delayed).

The first graph is nearfield (~1m) with the signal straight to the sub. The second is the signal run through my Onkyo 707 with a quick boost to the 25Hz range in the manual equalizer and measured from the main listening position. I didn't have time to integrate the sub with Audyssey but it looks promising. The crossover was set to bypass and the volume knob ~1/3 volume.

I cannot, in good conscience, recommend this sub to those in an appartment not located on the ground floor. Our living room is above the basement and during the low end of the sweep the floor was vibrating horribly.

The bass is tight and didn't seem to linger in any given frequency so it seems very responsive. It didn't seem to struggle during the sweeps, music or movies. My critical listen has been limited though. I was worried by the lack of reviews "meaning something" now I just realize there are probably plenty of people like me buying them and unable to put it through is paces because of the wife and kids factor. The pros get to have all of the fun!

I can't attest to this sub's performance compared to others listed here so far. I can only say I am extremely happy for the performance I am getting at the price point and in the fairly small footprint it comes in.
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post #75 of 703
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Originally Posted by matthevil View Post

ok, so I got a brief moment to capture some measurements of my Ultra 12. These were taken with REW and a woefully inadequate radio shack digital SPL meter (my calibrated ECM8000 was delayed).

The first graph is nearfield (~1m) with the signal straight to the sub. The second is the signal run through my Onkyo 707 with a quick boost to the 25Hz range in the manual equalizer and measured from the main listening position. I didn't have time to integrate the sub with Audyssey but it looks promising. The crossover was set to bypass and the volume knob ~1/3 volume.

I cannot, in good conscience, recommend this sub to those in an appartment not located on the ground floor. Our living room is above the basement and during the low end of the sweep the floor was vibrating horribly.

The bass is tight and didn't seem to linger in any given frequency so it seems very responsive. It didn't seem to struggle during the sweeps, music or movies. My critical listen has been limited though. I was worried by the lack of reviews "meaning something" now I just realize there are probably plenty of people like me buying them and unable to put it through is paces because of the wife and kids factor. The pros get to have all of the fun!

I can't attest to this sub's performance compared to others listed here so far. I can only say I am extremely happy for the performance I am getting at the price point and in the fairly small footprint it comes in.

Right on, Matt....you may have just persuaded me enough to pick one up!
post #76 of 703
I'm thinking about one of these as well... Just looking for something decent enough as my first sub without breaking the bank.
post #77 of 703
There is an Emotiva Ultra sub sale announced.
http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=subwoofeers&action=display&thread=11815

Also, if you already purchased you get a refund.
I called and they are mailing me a check for my prior Ultra 10 purchase.

Mike
post #78 of 703
damn, this sale sure is tempting...

considering 2 Ultra Sub 12 vs 1 epik empire... hmmmm
post #79 of 703
Are there any reviews (not "first looks") of the Emotiva Ultra 12 Sub out there? I can't find anything substantive beyond a few (useful) impressions in this tread.
post #80 of 703
Big sale on the Ultra subs this weekend!

http://emotiva.com/
post #81 of 703
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

There is an Emotiva Ultra sub sale announced.
http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=subwoofeers&action=display&thread=11815

Also, if you already purchased you get a refund.
I called and they are mailing me a check for my prior Ultra 10 purchase.

Mike

Obviously you missed the post 2 above yours.
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool View Post

Big sale on the Ultra subs this weekend!

http://emotiva.com/
post #82 of 703
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Originally Posted by gtsum2 View Post

everyone wants in on the subwoofer market these days it appears... What is the general consensus on these subs so far?

I honestly think the reception on these is "so so". I mean, it it what it is, a budget minded subwoofer for those who don't want to spend alot of money.


And personally, the people in the market for these subs probably don't have alot of experience with a good quality sub, nor do they want to spend the money on one.

RIght now they have a "sale" on em for $299/$399 with free shipping and an extra $50 off if you buy a pair. IMO this is the price they should be sold at regularly. These subs like all their "built in china" products are dirt cheap to produce and even when they have high percentage sales on em, they are still making a killing.


Even at the sale price, for someone looking into an Emo sub, I would also highly consider an eD offering as well. ED subs offer a pretty darn good bang for the buck, use pretty good drivers and good sturdy enclosures even on their lower priced offerings. THe only thing I dont like with eD is the plate amps they include with em.
post #83 of 703
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Originally Posted by matthevil View Post

ok, so I got a brief moment to capture some measurements of my Ultra 12. These were taken with REW and a woefully inadequate radio shack digital SPL meter (my calibrated ECM8000 was delayed).

The first graph is nearfield (~1m) with the signal straight to the sub. The second is the signal run through my Onkyo 707 with a quick boost to the 25Hz range in the manual equalizer and measured from the main listening position. I didn't have time to integrate the sub with Audyssey but it looks promising. The crossover was set to bypass and the volume knob ~1/3 volume.

I cannot, in good conscience, recommend this sub to those in an appartment not located on the ground floor. Our living room is above the basement and during the low end of the sweep the floor was vibrating horribly.

The bass is tight and didn't seem to linger in any given frequency so it seems very responsive. It didn't seem to struggle during the sweeps, music or movies. My critical listen has been limited though. I was worried by the lack of reviews "meaning something" now I just realize there are probably plenty of people like me buying them and unable to put it through is paces because of the wife and kids factor. The pros get to have all of the fun!

I can't attest to this sub's performance compared to others listed here so far. I can only say I am extremely happy for the performance I am getting at the price point and in the fairly small footprint it comes in.

THat sub really wont give you much extension beyond 25-30hz on its own, if your just running one, find a corner to place it in to help accentuate room gain. And you shouldn't be jacking the 25hz frequency slider on the Onkyo either. Remember, for every 3db boost you need to double the power, jacking the low frequency on a subwoofer is a goodway to clip the amp and overdrive the sub real easy. The Ultra plate amp doesnt have much headroom to begin with. If you want better low frequency extension, buy a larger sub or get a second Ultra 12. If you just want to smooth the sub out, then try different placement areas in the room first to see where you get the smoothest responses and then use the sub EQ on the Onkyo to tame out the bumps ONLY(in other words reduce the sliders at the frequency adjustments). You should never add more than 1-2db of boost, your better off making cuts to smooth things out.
post #84 of 703
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

Do you know what a DTS-10 is?

Yeah, it's a huge sub that won't fit in everyone's room...including mine And besides, it's not like you're never going to buy another sub again! Sometimes we just buy things to play with and resell a year or two down the road.

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Originally Posted by jaeelarr View Post

Well, i just want to make sure that they really go as deep as they advertise. The whole reason for me buying a new small enclosure sub is because my sub in the bedroom just isnt going low enough for me. No need in wasting $350 if it only does 30Hz instead of the rated 25, ya know?

It's not so much "how low can it go", because with a nice mic setup nearfield, I can show you a 3" mid giving a response down to 15hz. But is at a useful output level? No. Instead, specify, 25hz @ 100db or whatever.
post #85 of 703
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Originally Posted by ntrain6943 View Post

I These subs like all their "built in china" products are dirt cheap to produce and even when they have high percentage sales on em, they are still making a killing.


Even Thiel's top of the line speakers are made in China. The Chinese will build to whatever quality is required. Most of the speaker industry farms out to China, not just Emotiva.
post #86 of 703
What to buy?

Need some advice. Want to take of advantage of the current promotion and was considering either 2 10 or 1 12 for a condo setting open room layout which includes living room, dining, and kitchen total of 3800 cubic ft area for 50/50 music + movie. Any suggestion here?? TIA!
post #87 of 703
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Originally Posted by d_m1010 View Post

Even Thiel's top of the line speakers are made in China. The Chinese will build to whatever quality is required. Most of the speaker industry farms out to China, not just Emotiva.

Thiel is overpriced garbage in my book. Sold em for years. Too many other good brands make better sounding, better built products for less.

But regardless, your right, many do farm products out to china to be built. THen when you add in advertising, distributor costs, retail markup, sales commision etc. you have effectively overpaid 10x or higher the products worth.
post #88 of 703
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Originally Posted by ntrain6943 View Post

Thiel is overpriced garbage in my book. Sold em for years. Too many other good brands make better sounding, better built products for less.

But regardless, your right, many do farm products out to china to be built. THen when you add in advertising, distributor costs, retail markup, sales commision etc. you have effectively overpaid 10x or higher the products worth.

You're absolutely correct. That's why I only buy ID now. Emotiva and SVS.
post #89 of 703
Damn... The deal is indeed tempting for an Ultra 12. Hurts the wallet a bit though, since I was planning to put money down on a PJ next week too. Is the sale only for memorial day weekend, or will it last a couple weeks?

I have a fairly small (2100 cu.ft, 15x14x10) listening room that shares one wall with the other half of a duplex. I'm not looking for something overly powerful, but still has decent response and a small footprint. This would be my first (real) subwoofer, so if it's something far from what I should be looking at, please let me know. It would be paired up with a set of Dali Ikon 2s.


EDIT: Well, I pulled the trigger. Couldn't really pass up on the deal, and it seems to be what I'm looking for in general. Can't wait to get it all set up with the rest of my (under construction) HT.
post #90 of 703
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Originally Posted by Im2sexy View Post

Obviously you missed the post 2 above yours.

Excuse me Mr. Internet police.
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