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post #31 of 209
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Originally Posted by ct335d View Post

hd_newbie, my apologies. I feel silly. I confuesed you with another member - Nascar_984, unfortunately. I will edit my post above to remove things I should not have said.

Yes, indeed we had our debate in the thread you are referencing and it was settled. No need to bring it back, you are correct. Bottom line was - Krell Evolution 707 processor has superior sonics, but does not alter HDMI video (which for me is just fine, as my source produces video signal I don't want altered) and I am not sure how good the upconverter of lower resolution video is on this unit (I don't really care about that either, as I feed the processor with hi-res. video).

no worries. i removed my post
post #32 of 209
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Originally Posted by Joelc View Post

I have to disagree with the above perspective because while the 707 may not scale blu-ray there is still a lot that can be done to improve the display of the signal and this is where an outboard video processor such as the RadianceXE shines because it add gamma control, grayscale control, and gamut control far beyond those of any AVR that I have seen so, unless you have this capability elsewhere in your chain do not think that just because the video is running through the Krell as it is as good as it can be because the truth is, it likely is not...

That's a good point. And as some others have said, if you truly want top notch video processing, you won't find it in ANY Pre/Pro. Also, if I get an Evo 555 I don't want any processor touching the video. That's where it will mate perfectly with a 707. In addition, video technology progresses so much more quickly than audio technology, so I find I'm better off just getting a new projector every couple of years than worrying about a video scaler.
post #33 of 209
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Originally Posted by ct335d View Post

hd_newbie, my apologies. I feel silly. I confuesed you with another member - Nascar_984, unfortunately. I will edit my post above to remove things I should not have said.

by the way, if you are curious abour Nascar_984, check with Steve. they are very good friends. in fact nascar sometimes posts in other forums using Steve's name

they are that close!
post #34 of 209
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Originally Posted by tjk3030 View Post

Not a bad looking piece of gear, but what is the big, ugly knob on the front for?

That's the docking interface for Robby.... SJ
post #35 of 209
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Originally Posted by tjk3030 View Post

Not a bad looking piece of gear, but what is the big, ugly knob on the front for?

It is the distributor cap. Take it with you when you travel and no one else can use the Krell.
post #36 of 209
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Originally Posted by Boonyarat View Post

I cannot tell you how many times it better than CBIII but after I use EVO707 with my system WILSON SASHA W/P , WATCH SERIES 2 CENTER & SURROUND, KRELL EVO 600 & 2X EVO302, 1X MARK 334, PIONEER LX91,........, I cannot go back to CBIII again.

Impressive! Both the Krell and your entire system.
post #37 of 209
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Originally Posted by hd_newbie View Post

by the way, if you are curious abour Nascar_984, check with Steve. they are very good friends. in fact nascar sometimes posts in other forums using Steve's name

they are that close!

Funny. I wasn't even aware of Nascar_984 becaue I pretty much only read the $20K forum. Doug, how long have you been posting under that pseudonym also? You really need a shrink! How many computers and IP addresses do you have? When are you going to bring back ValhallaPC the tweaker extraordinaire persona to enlighten us? You remind me of the Showtime show "The United States of Tara" with the multiple personalities, her in real tv life, you on the web!
post #38 of 209
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Originally Posted by spearl8 View Post

I have had my 707 for about a year and a half now and it is an incredible piece. It's connected to Evo 600s in CAST and an EVO 403 for surround. The 707 is fed by blu-ray, cable tv, and an Evo 505. Krell has provided superb support upgrading my unit several times no questions asked. I recently received the Room Correction firmware update and it is very impressive. There are absolutely no comparisons between Krell ARES and Audyssey. Krell designed the ARES completely in house even though licensing Audyssey would have been MUCH easier. The microphone supplied with Receivers and Preamps that use Audyssey are cheap and made of plastic. The supplied microphone and balanced mic cable for the 707 are professional grade. Before my 707 I tinkered with the Integra 9.8 and I found the room correction to take too much away from the sound of my Wilson speakers. The Krell ARES is much for configurable and leaves the natural characteristics of my speakers intact, all while dialing in the EQ just right. If you have a high-end system and are hesitant about room correction, you should definitely check out the Krell ARES.
As for the 707 overall: the sound, video, and build quality are incredible. I highly recommend the product. You will not be disappointed.

I was looking for some pictures of the Krell gear. I found some but there were many other very nice pictures so I'll post the link to all of them. http://www.bm.rs/CES-2010.html
post #39 of 209
Thanks for sharing, Bulldogger.
post #40 of 209
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Originally Posted by Bulldogger View Post

I was looking for some pictures of the Krell gear. I found some but there were many other very nice pictures so I'll post the link to all of them. http://www.bm.rs/CES-2010.html

Thanks for posting the link. Very nice pictures.
post #41 of 209
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Originally Posted by ceenhad View Post

The system was not connected using CAST cables as there is a external DSP/crossover in use. Speakers are all from Wisdom Audio.

I have been thinking a lot about this lately. The trouble with anything in high end AV is often what your own reference point is. I have been lucky enough to work with a large number of the reference products over the past few years and I am always surprised by the differences between them. For your average person though hearing the latest Onkyo or Denon processor is audio nirvana - not because they are cloth eared but because they don't know how something could sound. This is also true for high end video - if someone else talks to me about JVC 990s then I'll scream

I really believe that most people can easily appreciate the difference between components if they get to hear them.

For example the Denon A1 processor is one of the worst sounding pieces of garbage I ever had the misfortune to listen to but you will find the internet filled with reviews praising it's quality. You just need to put pretty much any other "high end" processor against it to realise how bad it is.

The Krell is certainly not a bad sounding piece but it just didn't meet my expectations of what a device of that price can do. For example HD decoding apart I liked the ML502 better and it is certainly a lot easier to work with. Just as an example and I would be happy to discuss many more combinations.

It is also important to note that I haven't heard everything that is avilable either of course! One of the things I would love to get my hands on is the new Tact unit. Would be very interested how it stacked up against the ADA Rhapsody plus Trinnov DSP.

This is an interesting topic but probably ideal for a new thread? I will be happy to share my own thoughts.

Neil,
Thank you for your response and thoughts. Personally speaking, I am always keen to hear your thoughts on products because of your knowledge and experience with many boutique brands and their respective products.

I hope to read user reports and official reviews of the Cinema Rhapsody Mach IVB in the near future. It certainly looks like a stellar product. The one thing I have noticed so far from first hand reviews [Suite 7.1 HD] has been barely any complaints with regards to HDMI handshaking whereas this thing has been problematic for quite a few other manufacturers. It seems to be a very well engineered SSP and solid from the word go which is fantastic. There's not the slightest hint of the product being rushed to market while it was incomplete.

These are all positive points for ADA. Kudos to Richard.
post #42 of 209
More info on the recent Krell SSP upgrade:

http://www.avguide.com/article/krell...d?src=Playback
post #43 of 209
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

More info on the recent Krell SSP upgrade:

http://www.avguide.com/article/krell...d?src=Playback

I upgraded the sofware on my 707 to this newest version last week. The ARES seems to work very well.
post #44 of 209
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Originally Posted by ct335d View Post

I upgraded the sofware on my 707 to this newest version last week. The ARES seems to work very well.

Are you update firmware by yourself or done by supplier ? Today I try to update my EVO707 but not success . I received the zip file " krell software update utility install " and follow instruction manual but cannot found " krell update software data - " .kuf " . I am not sure this will be another zip file that I should received from krell or not.
post #45 of 209
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Originally Posted by Boonyarat View Post

Are you update firmware by yourself or done by supplier ? Today I try to update my EVO707 but not success . I received the zip file " krell software update utility install " and follow instruction manual but cannot found " krell update software data - " .kuf " . I am not sure this will be another zip file that I should received from krell or not.

Feel free to send me a PM and I'll try to help you with the update.
post #46 of 209
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Originally Posted by Boonyarat View Post

Are you update firmware by yourself or done by supplier ? Today I try to update my EVO707 but not success . I received the zip file " krell software update utility install " and follow instruction manual but cannot found " krell update software data - " .kuf " . I am not sure this will be another zip file that I should received from krell or not.

Hi Boony.

I've got the same confusing instruction myself.
I've got a RS232 -> USB issue, but hopes to have it solved by tomorrow.
But I hate to see the USB-enigma solved, and then headbanging into another problem. Please feel free to PM me if/when you're successful!
PS Have you tried emailing Peter McKay at Krell?

Cheers!
post #47 of 209
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Originally Posted by jackx View Post

Hi Boony.

I've got the same confusing instruction myself.
I've got a RS232 -> USB issue, but hopes to have it solved by tomorrow.
But I hate to see the USB-enigma solved, and then headbanging into another problem. Please feel free to PM me if/when you're successful!
PS Have you tried emailing Peter McKay at Krell?

Cheers!

Hi jackx,

Yesterday I just got 2 of .kuf files from ct335d and KRELL by Bill Mckiegan . I am now only can success install one .kuf update version 7.1 file but cannot for other Video main .kuf file . Bill told me that might be USB-RS232 issue ,so I have to buy the other cable to try again.
post #48 of 209
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Originally Posted by Boonyarat View Post

Hi jackx,

Yesterday I just got 2 of .kuf files from ct335d and KRELL by Bill Mckiegan . I am now only can success install one .kuf update version 7.1 file but cannot for other Video main .kuf file . Bill told me that might be USB-RS232 issue, so I have to buy the other cable to try again.

With regards to the 2 .cuf files, they are both dl'able from the ftp-site provided to you by Krell. Go have a thorough look in the Krell Evolution 707 Firmware Update Files folder.

My own comp is VISTA 64, and the install didn't fly at all. I then hooked the 707 to my wife's old win2k, and it all went smoothly.
When it comes to USB -> RS232 issues, make sure you have selected the correct port for the RS232 converter. This can be easily altered to suit your needs in "Device manager". I had to change it from port 14 to 2, and then it was solved instantly (the 707 will only listen to COM1 - COM4).

Cheers, and happy listening!

JackX
post #49 of 209
The quality/compatibility of the usb adapter may also be an issue. This keyspan adapter has been highly reliable: http://www.amazon.com/Keyspan-Speed-...1167479&sr=8-1
post #50 of 209
Hello,

How come the Anthem Statement D2v with ARC is not cited here?
Is it just because it costs a fraction of what is cited in this thread or because it cannot fairly be compared to those?
I am not being cynical at all, I can assure you.
I am just curious to know how it compares, not only from the specs point of view but also from actual people hearing both classes and sharing their point of view.
I for myself cannot do the comparison as I do not have access to the 10K$+ devices.

Thank you
post #51 of 209
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Originally Posted by jackx View Post

With regards to the 2 .cuf files, they are both dl'able from the ftp-site provided to you by Krell. Go have a thorough look in the Krell Evolution 707 Firmware Update Files folder.

My own comp is VISTA 64, and the install didn't fly at all. I then hooked the 707 to my wife's old win2k, and it all went smoothly.
When it comes to USB -> RS232 issues, make sure you have selected the correct port for the RS232 converter. This can be easily altered to suit your needs in "Device manager". I had to change it from port 14 to 2, and then it was solved instantly (the 707 will only listen to COM1 - COM4).

Cheers, and happy listening!

JackX

Just finish set up EVO707 , now it work fine and sound much better than my previous CB III .
post #52 of 209
Now that's a piece of equipment!
post #53 of 209
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Originally Posted by SJHT View Post

Now that's a piece of equipment!

I am sure that IT'S NOT JUST A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT if you are in this gear.
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post #55 of 209
Hi Boonyarat. Glad to hear your 707 is working fine!

Below is an image of my Finite Pagode Master Reference rack with all of its 'inhabitants'

On top you'll find Hanss T-60 TT with 2 arms (Thales w/Lyra Titan i - and SME V Gold w/EMT 5), hooked up to Ypsilon Stepup & Ypsilon VPS 100 RIAA)

Next is Krell EVO 505 CD/SACD to the left, right is Marantz UD9004 BR (to be ditched when my EVO 555 BR arrives, hopefully some time this autumn )

Then, to the left is the Ypsilon VPS100 - to the right 707

Bottom: Nordost Thor


My theater/listening room:

Krell LAT 1 and LAT 2 (rear) Lat C (center) Resolution LFE
Krell EVO 600's and EVO 403.
Room treated with various diffusors and absorbers.

Everything is linked together with the new and amazing cable brand Zensati. They even provide CAST cables; I used to have Krell's own MMF CAST, but Zensati outrunned them hands down in direct comparison in my home.



--

Rear side.


Cheers!

JackX
post #56 of 209
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Originally Posted by jackx View Post

Hi Boonyarat. Glad to hear your 707 is working fine!

Below is an image of my Finite Pagode Master Reference rack with all of its 'inhabitants'

jackx, both you and Boony have a sweet Krell setup. Rock on!
post #57 of 209
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Originally Posted by jackx View Post

Hi Boonyarat. Glad to hear your 707 is working fine!

Hi Jackx , many thanks. Your system is very impressive . At this moment I believed that EVO 707 is the best pre-processor & stereo preamplifier combine in one housing.

post #58 of 209
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

jackx, both you and Boony have a sweet Krell setup. Rock on!

Thanks Waboman.
post #59 of 209
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Originally Posted by spearl8 View Post

I have had my 707 for about a year and a half now and it is an incredible piece. It's connected to Evo 600s in CAST and an EVO 403 for surround. The 707 is fed by blu-ray, cable tv, and an Evo 505. Krell has provided superb support upgrading my unit several times no questions asked. I recently received the Room Correction firmware update and it is very impressive. There are absolutely no comparisons between Krell ARES and Audyssey. Krell designed the ARES completely in house even though licensing Audyssey would have been MUCH easier. The microphone supplied with Receivers and Preamps that use Audyssey are cheap and made of plastic. The supplied microphone and balanced mic cable for the 707 are professional grade. Before my 707 I tinkered with the Integra 9.8 and I found the room correction to take too much away from the sound of my Wilson speakers. The Krell ARES is much for configurable and leaves the natural characteristics of my speakers intact, all while dialing in the EQ just right. If you have a high-end system and are hesitant about room correction, you should definitely check out the Krell ARES.
As for the 707 overall: the sound, video, and build quality are incredible. I highly recommend the product. You will not be disappointed.

I also have a Krell 707. I completely agree with this appraisal. The sound is spectacular for music and movies. Early on there were a few problems with HDMI handshake issues, but that has been resolved. It is a great piece of equipment.
post #60 of 209
Ok. Great. So i will ask my question again, is there someone here that had the chance to compare Krell/Ares vs. Anthem/ARC?

Thanks
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