AVS Exclusive: How to watch The 2010 Masters in 3D online! - Page 3

I got a lot of lag and blurriness, which in 3D looked like ghosting and reduced the overall resolution. I love gaming in 3D but this wasn't doing it for me, but it's probably due to my internet connection. Though it is supposed to be "Xfinity" (ha Comcast!), it's probably just not fast enough. I'll try again tomorrow or would be interested if sample clips are available for download instead of streaming.

I only get one eye (the left?) using Stereographic playerat this time on my PC but got side by side squezed images from COX to my 2D HDTV when the content was live.`

In the main menu, go to View -> Viewing Method and make sure it's not set to Monoscopic.

I see what I did wrong. I was confused about what to paste for the URL. I looked all over the page but still missed it until now.

Now it's just a matter of my slow 1.5 mbps bandwidth. Switching ISP's Friday. 16 mbps woohoo.

Thank you for your post.
I have the viewing method set to Analgyph - Color Cyan-Red which works fine with other 3D content.

Ken, got my setup working (P1130 CRT, 8400GS, 2.13 C2D, Nvidia 3d Vision). The effect on the long shots was very impressive. Close shots, kind of flat. The stream was fluid on my system which was relatively surprising considering my graphics card is one of the lowest supported.

My questions: How do I get the CRT to output the refresh rates/resolutions it's capable of? I tried doing a custom resolution in the Nvidia Control Panel and even if it test successfully it's doesn't stick (or stay in the menu under custom) and always reverts back to the native resolution at 85hz. With the default settings I have a little flicker, but not nearly as much as expected.

What other optimizations would you recommend? All of my settings are default at this point.

3D Vision works with older Samsung DLPs? Is this only via the stream or is it possible to use the Comcast feed?

Getting this far wouldn't have been possible without Ken and the others who have helped on this great forum. Thanks!

(EDIT) One last thing, is Tiger going to be the featured pairing for the afternoon tomorrow on masters.com? Thanks!

Thanks Ken. I will try this tomorrow.

Ken, thanks. I was referring to the featured pairing channel streaming on masters.com. They are doing the second nine of Weir's group in the morning and was hoping they would pick up Tiger for the afternoon. Thanks!

Ha ha...well after all my efforts to watch something, some clips are now available to download here...

http://3dvision-blog.com/

Here's my experience with only a 2.2Mb connection. I could capture the raw stream with VLC but it kept cutting off after about 15Mb which amounted to a few seconds of video time. The idea was that I was going to download the stream first and then watch it on my other, faster and 3D compatible system. I ended up with about 30 clips of a few seconds long that were lagging and jerky. Stereoscopic Player wouldn't open them for some reason (they must have gotten (Ye olde' English) corrupted during the download) so I had to open them all in Windows Media Player and screen capture them. I could then watch them in Stereoscopic Player in page flip mode. The 3D looked nice, especially the depth of field looking over the lake, but by the time I'd done the screen grabs etc the resolution and quality was quite low and so it wasn't a very detailed picture...certainly not HD.
I think the 3D will be a great addition within the context of the drama of this tournament and other future 3D events. Just looking at a 3D scene though, nice as it is, does get a bit pointless after a while unless it is used to enrich the drama of either a sport or movie.

I'm going to have a look at one of these videos. After my difficulties, I think I'll just watch our HD coverage and try and download 3D video that has been successfully captured and uploaded on the net.

As a 3D and Golf fan though, it's all quite exciting.

Gae

Is it conceivable that someone was able to capture the HD 3D stream via their Comcast cable box so we could compare video qualities? My primary concern was that there were so many compression artifacts in the webstream that it significantly reduced the 3D effectiveness. From what I've heard, the Comcast cable stream looked great.

I did not have any artifacts in my streaming. It looked great.

I am in the US in North Carolina. We have fiber optics Internet. That might be helping me out. Looks great on my Samsung DLP LED.

Ken,
Did you ever find out from IBM if they had thought to provide a way to record the Masters.com/3D stream?

Ken, tried your suggestions regarding the resolution. Could not get it above 85hz no matter what I tried. Not sure what I'm doing wrong since the monitor supports much higher. At it's current setting there is flicker, but it's not that bad. Any additional suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

As for the 3d effect, some angles were better than others and hopefully throughout the week they will tweak them. Villegas' bunker shot on 18 was probably the best 3d shot of the day. Angles on 12 were lacking. I was left wondering why some of the broadcast angles were not used for the 3d cameras specifically the huge wide panoramic view of 12. When the shots involved the depth of a hole or elevation changes, the technology shined.

The stream started off sluggish, but became smooth 15-30 minutes in as it did on Wednesday. On the whole, very enjoyable.

I was able to watch this today on my "old school" 3D Samsung plasma, and it actually worked. Stereoscopic Player is really cool from the standpoint of being able to convert stuff to different formats. My biggest problem was alot of ghosting. I'm not sure what part of the process is to blame. It could be my Samsung plasma. I've read a discussion on the mtbs3D forums regarding my plasma, and how it tends to have a serious problem with ghosting. I didn't really experience any of that in my time playing Avatar the game in 3D via the Xbox 360.

I'm not sure what I need to adjust to try to make it look better. I'll have to figure something out.

My basic impression is that there were certain scenes of the golf that did look really impressive. Some of the camera shots. Some of them, I would almost "Ooh and Ahhh..." after seeing it. At one point, I got on the phone and called up a friend and left a message on the answering machine boasting about how I was watching Tiger Woods in 3D right now, and how cool it was. Still, there were alot of camera angles that didn't really have that 3D pop. Or there was blurriness and ghosting. Overall, I would say that it's pretty cool in general, but I wasn't too blown away by the experience. A couple of the camera angles were truly impressive, but I think the camera crew needs to look at this as a learning experience. I'd love to see some NFL football in 3D, or NBA basketball, or even some Major League Baseball. Something thats more up my alley sports wise. Golf isn't my go-to sport for TV watching.

+1. I thought the same exact thing. From a technical standpoint, the 3D was fine. From an artistic standpoint, somewhat uninspired. There needs to be a mix of foreground, background, and screen plane elements in a 3D shot to make it interesting and to give viewers sufficient depth cues. A lot of what I saw were long shots that seemed almost completely flat.

Composing a shot for 3D is completely different than composing one for 2D. There is definitely going to be a learning curve for camera operators, producers, technicians, and everyone else creatively involved in 3D TV.


But I did enjoy it, and I don't mean to diminish the historic significance of being able to watch live HD 3D footage via a web feed. Wow!

It's your tv. These old school "3D ready" plasmas are in no way in the same league as the new generation of 3DTVs, or even any of the old school DLP RPTVs.

My suspicion is that Samsung added 3D "readiness" to these plasmas simply by repurposing the mechanisms from their DLP RPTVs and made absolutely no efforts to address the phosphor decay rates that give these sets huge ghosting issues. It was probably just a simple way for them to add another selling point for these sets.

All the folks who complain about ghosting on the new sets should see one of these!

Ken, I've done some googling and reading, the problem appears to be with Windows 7. Apparently Windows 7 limits resolutions with EID. The solutions I've found involve making a new monitor driver through a series of steps and removing this limitation (although it might brick my monitor) or removing the #12 pin from the VGA cables. I'm not keen on either, but am leaning towards modifying the driver.

Exactly. Although I take my hat off to this whole Masters 3D project it's limited in it's effectiveness (from the shots that I've seen) because
1)The 3D cameras have taken a back seat and don't really seem to be involved with the action
2)The mentality of the cameramen is still a 2D one. Setting up a 3D shot is an art form in itself. You need to have a "keen" eye for what works and what doesn't. A high angle shot looking across the deoth of field plane doesn't really add much but one that includes a definite foreground, middle and background, preferably containing the drama and action of that moment, is the most effective setting.

It's all still a learning curve I guess.

Gae

Anybody getting lag still?

I have an 8Mbps connection through comcast and got about 5 seconds of good feed then it starts to lag like crazy.

8 should be enough right?

From my Win7 64 bit laptop I was able to use either VGA or HDMI to my 55" 1080p LCD. To get the full resoluition 1920x1080 in extended desktop mode I had to disable using my laptop's 1366x768 screen using the fn and f4 key. The Anaglyph PQ Stereoscopic Player output using cardboard B/R glases is not the greatest but I have had no ghosts.