Best 55" LED local dimming TV now that Samsung 8500 is impossible to find? - Page 3

Passing on the 8500 for lack of 3D and that's a *problem* ...hmmmm.. o...kay!!

That's good.. more for us!!

not sure why it's hard to believe. I would agree if the PQ of the c series was way below but in the daylight, the c8000/7000 actually have more pop. Now in the complete dark setting, I agree the 8500 wins that by why not get a amazing pic AND 3d?

not following. but i guess it's always up to the individual. For example, your buddies come over and they hear you bought a new samsung tv. Then you say well it actually isn't a 3d model but a 2009 model b/c in an all dark setting with no lights on, the blacks are darker. Riiiiight.

I flat-out don't care about 3D right now. And I'm certainly not willing to make a major sacrifice in PQ to acquire it. Respectfully, show us some pictures of the very noticeable flashlights on your C8000 after it arrives, and then try to convince us to buy one. Even if I did want 3D, why would I choose a Samsung? Everything I've heard seems to indicated that 3D is best on the Panasonic plasmas. And there will soon be direct back-lit LED LCDs that also offer 3D, so we don't need to choose between the two.

Interesting.. so you're gonna buy $150/pair glasses for all your buddies so they can enjoy 3D on the C8000 ? Or, is it going to be a ' BYOG ' kinda deal.. ? Or, a lottery or first come first serve basis ?

I can only imagine the excitement buying 5-10 3D glasses for a party [ assuming most people have ~ 5 - 10 adults/friends over for a party, at the least ]

That'll be one geeky looking party!!

I don't feel at all bad about buying my 8500 and not waiting for 3D. Despite all the hoopla, 3D is still a gimick, not very different from what was around for s short while in theaters in the 1950s. As long as you have to buy and wear some very strange looking $100 glasses, it will be one of those features you use once, go "Wow" a few times, and put away. If 3D sticks this time, I will be very surprised, as the requirement for special glasses should kill it.

Seems like a lot of you guys have not actually experienced the 3d effect that Samsung offers. Forget the instore demos – b/c god knows the people at BB don’t set those things up right. I can tell you from experience that the effect is great (real 3d) and the 2d to 3d makes playing videogames that much better. I am wearing the glasses everytime I play the 360 and that alone makes the 3d worth it to me.
As for why Samsung – are you kidding me? A panny plasm (in my opinion) is way too dull. I’m all about pop guys and a lot of you sound like you appreciate professional calibrated sets which use movie mode and “accurate” colors. I hate that setup. Absolutely despise it. I want my picture to be alive and not be dull. Therefore, plasma’s are out the door.
I can tell you that if my c8000 has flashlights it’s being returned and I’ll sit back and wait to see what else Samsung has later in the year. I will not put up with flashlights but I can assure you all that if you take a c8000 and b8500 and watch them in a bright environment, the 8000 will have the same pic if not better. It’s the blacks which don’t compare but the difference is not major as someone stated. With the addition of 3d, it’s a no brainer.

Then I guess it's going to be returned, because it will definitely have them.

No need to be a jerk about it just b/c you're second guessing yourself about your purchase. I'm just giving my opinion on these things - not wishing you bad luck. Anyway, the pinpoint dimming should have fixed this issue. The amazon review mentions the same. On the main C8000 thread, someone took a picture of something he calls waterfall effect but others have not reported it (who have the tv) and again, pictures are useless as my C7000 in a pic was black as night meanwhile, it had flashlights.h

Yes if 3D is important to you the new models are the way to go. However, the best 3D is done by panasonic and they have rising black issues. With the samsung sets you have horrible back light issues and worse 3D. So, what are your choices?

I'm not trying to "be a jerk about it," I just think it's naive to think the C8000 won't have major uniformity problems because:

1. Every edge-lit Samsung does
2. The aforementioned photos, in which it looks terrible
3. The HD Guru review (or lack thereof)

And BTW, I'm not second-guessing a purchase, because I haven't made one yet.

Does 3D not bring about any lag to gaming?

I'm laughing at you folks who are saying 3d is a fad. I believe at least 1 person here has already said (or maybe in another thread) that 3d has been around since the 50's, so how is it a fad? The fact is, the reason 3d never came to suburbia is because of the limitations of the sets. ESPN, you know "The Juggernaut", is launching 3d this year and will even televise football, soccer, basketball, etc. in 3d! THIS YEAR! If any of you folks love sports, then you are going to miss out if you are planning to buy a set this year and it's not at least capable of displaying 3d content. It's not like you are giving up quality... Even if you don't buy the high priced glasses or 3d Blu Ray yet, just wait... The prices will come down by NFL time...

Most folks who frequent this site and ones like it are on the fringe when it comes to technology. So why would you deny yourself something that in a year or two will become standard? If you are not in the market for a set right now, I understand. I wouldn't buy a set just to get the 3d experience. But if you are shelling out $2.5K+ dollars on a television, why wouldn't you want 3d? And no, it's NOT like 240hz. In other words, it's not a gimmick. It looks great on the Samsung AND the Panasonic. I'm sure it will look great on the Sony and Toshiba. When Sharp comes around, it will look great on their sets, as well...

The standard?
What makes you think the 3D technology of today, will be "the standard" in 2 years?

Why do you think 3D has never become "the standard?" in big screen theaters?

Because a lot of people don't like giving up clarity and sharpness for an effect that leaves the impression you are viewing something through a dark veil or sunglasses. Because a lot of people think it SUCKS as a 2 or 3 hour effect, and a lot of people have never liked it and never will. What is happening is they are taking the suckage and adapting it for home use. (and YES, I have experienced it).

Let's face it; those little Bluetooth gizmos that slip on your ear might be cool, but they are not the "standard" way most people communicate on cell phones for a reason; many people simply don't like wearing the stupid device on their ear!

well put - my point EXACTLY.

all technologies are somewhat a gimmick. Who ever though Blu rays or HD in general will ever take off (?). Everything takes time, First sets for the HD Ready TVs sucked and broadcasting sucked even more.... first generation blu rays players were nothing but buggy and expensive and also blu rays disc didn't had the performance quality that we see now. Why should 3D be any exception? It might take some time just like anything new, i don't understand why is it hard to believe.

I find it understanding that most of your posts are nothing but perhaps a hatred toward the Samsung 2010 TV models. We already know where you stand with your position on that.



by the way i looked over panasonic 3D display and i actually prefer 3D display on Samsung better and I prefer Samsung 3D better than Sony 3D. Consumer reports can say what they want! I'm the ONE buying the TV and NOT them! It all comes down to what your eyes sees best. You do have a valid about flash light, but will it bother everyone? It's a subjective matter.

I did. Because it actually looked better.
Things like additional sharpness and clarity always strike me as an improvement, not a gimmick.

I see what you are getting at, honestly I do. But to some of us, the effect being displayed today doesn't really look better. Oh, it's okay, I mean once you get past the problem of the darker image and the glasses on your nose, it looks "cute" and "cool," and you know... same as it always did in our ViewMasters back when we were about 5 years old... only it's moving.

what he is saying. 3D is the next big thing.... You will see more movies released in 3D blu ray and in movie theater and some channels will be broadcasting in 3D for example this coming June, ESPN is one. At one point you might feel that while you switching channels on your cable/satellite service you might see 3D in between and you couldn't play it because your TV is not 3D, you might not feel that right away or anytime soon but again if you upgrade your TV you will find out it will have 3D capabilities anyway.

I keep reiterating the point because people on this thread just keep disillusioning themselves into thinking that some how these edge lit led tvs have some magic that will make the pq be comparable to a fully array backlit led tvs. If you read my posts all I stated were facts. You can state it is subjective all you want to but the truth of the matter is I've only stated facts in order to help other make intelligent choices.

If a person's main need is 3D and can't stand plasmas then will I say they made a wrong choice going with a 2010 samsung? Of course not! However, I would want those people to know the problems related to these sets. In the post you quoted me on my first sentence is for people to get a 2010 set if 3D is important to you. I'm sorry if you think trying to educate people is wrong.

Gimmick? I guess that makes my second eye a spare....

Trust me, Buying a TV is always a subjective matter. im sure people are aware of the problems with flash lights and the cloudiness. Some folks will always buy certain brand regardless with what you tell them. i know for fact some folks will only buy Sony TVs and never ever give their attention to any other brand. The idea also, some folks have certain tolerance, so the flash lights we discuss about may not be entirely bothersome you know. So whats bad to you may not be bad to others. The whole thing is entirely subjective, same thing with how folks love Plasma and how some folks love LCD/LED.

I would agree with statement that if 3d isn't important (or thiness) than your best bet is the 8500. The only caveot to that is if you're a gamer as the lag is supposedly terrible, forcing you to game mode which worsens the pq. From experience the c7000 lag wasn't ba at all and based on user tests tr c8000 seems to be even better

Yes, I agree buying a TV and picking the one YOU want is subjective.However, I'm not here to sell anyone a tv, nor do I out right say you should by this tv. I just state facts, so people can understand the tech or go look at issues and decide what best suits them. I'm on this forum to stay up to date on new and upcoming AV tech. I don't see how saying everything is subjective is helping anyone make a smart decision.

Yep. Some people know about the problem, buy the TV anyway, return it, and effectively raise prices for everyone else. And then they do it again.

I would also add the LG LHX to the list. The picture quality on that set is great & it's wireless. It also offers a nice design..

Using your logic, Toyota's price point for their vehicles should have doubled by now.... Not sure how product returns cause price increases. Most SMART companies THAT GET IT build a margin for returns into their P&L.... If there are an unnecessarily high amount of returns, the company usually TRIES TO FIND OUT WHY and fix the problem. Because if they don't, the educated consumers will look elsewhere for their goods and services.... In other words, THE COMPANY LOSES MARKET SHARE. The competition fills the sweet spot. Just ask Sony about that...

+1... I don't even want to see it in the theater any more.
The last thing I saw in 3D was Avatar, and after that I thought I would give it one more chance; we saw the 3D version of CLASH OF THE TITANS today, and it cured me; I have made up my mind; that is the last 3D movie I am ever paying to see; the effect of the glasses, the darkened screen and blurry picture still simply sucks (like it always has) and it's just too distracting for me. I can't wait to see the movie again on Blu-Ray, I think I will enjoy it a lot more.

You are totally missing the point. People have different type of rooms where they put their TV, some able to watch their LED TV in a viewing angle without having to worry about their picture quality being watched out! Some doesn't care too much about Dark level and some really cares about it too much! I for example love bright environment and love the pop in Samsung TVs, I don't care too much about Dark levels... Everyone is different, some have different desires! and for 3D some wouldn't be tilting their head to watch 3D from an angle, it will be non existing problem for some folks. The so called facts doesn't apply for everyone unless you know their conditions of their rooms and whether they are LED/Plasma fans. It Is VERY TRUE that Flash lights and cloudiness exist, it is a fact but it remains subjective whether it is annoying for some folks or not. As i mention in the other thread, i visited a friend that happens to have 6500 Samsung LED TV and i did notice both flash lights and cloudiness and they're visible. To me (?), they are not that big of deal... because in bright scenes, they're are hardly there and picture quality is just amazing, pop picture and clarity are just wonderful but I could imagine both flash lights and cloudiness can really annoy some folks and they may never buy the TV just because of that, but that doesn't speak for everyone and this is way it is very subjective to people whether the problem is serious to them or not.





To make long story short, if someone asking you for your help which TV to pick, you may want to know whether he/she loves bright images or dark ones and know hows the room condition where TV is going to go, THIS is how you can help/educate people to make a smart decision. Some may have rooms that their viewing angle is going to be bad with how/might have their TV setup. It boils down to picture quality and room condition.

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