Uni Directional Subwoofer Cables - Page 5

This coming from someone who makes it up as he goes along. I used to have a friend when I was a kid who would constantly BS. As I got old, so did he.

Well since you included me in your post, I will respond. I don't bash cable. It's a piece of wire so that would be silly. I bash the "people" who seem to suggest that there are audible SQ differences between different brands of any well constructed cable. Big difference.

You only think I'm making it up because you don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about....too many big technical words for you.

You, however, keep plodding along, thinking we're your customers...we're not, we're actually educated.

http://www.audioholics.com/education...-you-snake-oil

Let the "president" promote his products:
http://www.jpslabs.com/Reviews2/milan2.htm

Did anyone catch a subliminal message?
"This fine cable was curled up in the see-through plastic box like a snake, when it came rolling to me in Prague.... Joe Skubinski recommends 20 hours for the cable to get aquatinted with the connection to its new audio environment, which is quite short burn-in time."

Joe I asked you again to post numbers and actual test results specs of your home made Wallet Drainer series of home made cables. Again you ignore the request and i know why. You have absolutely no idea what I am asking for.

Some very basic electronics for you available in a format you can understand from radio Shack. Wires are NOT polarized. Electrolytic caps and diodes are polarized. A wire will conduct electricity in either direction and DOES as audio is alternating current.

Twisted pairs are used for BALANCED connections where neither the phase nor the return are ground referenced and as such, no shield is required for the sine wave audio signal. The purpose of the shield is is drain any spurious noise/hum from being induced onto either of the wires in the pair.

As I showed, you do not have any comprehension of the audio systems you are attempting to sell silly and totally uninformed claims and misconceptions about audio cabling. ZILCH.

Now unless you post in your next response the requested data, you will have proven conclusively that you have no such information and no way to produce it. I can get you the data on any and every commercially manufactured cable you want.

Everyone here can see right through your reptilian based saturated fat reduction. PROVE ME WRONG JOE.

Y'all might want to Google Alumiloy and see what the stuff is actually designed and used for.

Hey Joe, how about posting a pic of your production line and manufacturing facility?

We would all love to see "your" facilities.

(PS we will understand if there is a sign in the background that says Sub Gum Yuk Wire and Happy Nu Yeer Noys Makkers, inc. or similar)

Did Joe recommend an icebreaker social for the cables and equipment to get acquainted? Cocktails? or maybe a fun fame of Twister?

I have a better one. How about a good game of TRUTH or DARE?

No, but if any one of those can go on for 20 hours, he really is onto something.

Quite the contrary, Joe. It seems pretty universal that those who tout fancy cables with magic properties actually know very little about them, while the knowledgeable ones are properly skeptical of outlandish claims.

Anyone who recommends "burn-in time" for a cable should not call himself or herself an engineer.

Ol Jim S of Wallet Drainer cable fame has deigned to return to provide any info on his stuff. Wonder why. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Maybe it takes time to Photoshop a Belden production line pic with his logo.

Here is a link on shielding effectiveness per type of cable construction. If the price is close, you may want to pick the one with better shielding capability.


Not necessarily. There are some forums that will give you the opposite such as the one that's called some kind of Asylum.


You may have just burnt the bridge to him.

BALANCED ULTRA CONDUCTOR 2

Balanced version of the RCA UltraConductor 2. Updated cable with new Alumiloy conductors and refreshed design. UltraConductor 2 are excellent lower cost cables for systems preferring balanced connections. Excellent balance and clarity from low to high frequencies without brightness. Longer lengths are no problem and noise free with no loss of detail. Excellent for those who need balanced cables at reasonable pricing and want to be very happy with their component selections. Smaller, very flexible shielded cable, larger in conductor size than most any other brand of balanced cable for excellent signal transfer.

You guys are way to harsh on Joe, his website is absolutely fascinating. Unless I am misreading it he is achieving balanced audio over RCA cables with his magical Alumiloy conductor. He is doing the same for AES/EBU balanced audio cables which also appear to show RCA connectors. Most of this cable I have seen is rated at 110 ohms so it might be coaxial cable? Once again balanced. Hmmm, I think I am dazzled by the pretty cables and just do not understand such genius at work.

There is also an optical cable, it seems to me this is called toslink, that has the following definition...



UltraConductor Optical Digital

They were designed to easily exceed any high-definition video specs well into the future, as well as faithfully transfer a digital signal from your DVD or any digital source to your processor.

It goes on to talk about the option of RCA or BNC connectors. Is there an LED transmission of video now, and can you use RCA and BNC connectors for it? I imagine it has directional arrows so you can see which way the light travels through the copper wire.
It is late and I am tired, this will probably all make sense in the morning.

From Palladin:
"You guys are way to harsh on Joe, his website is absolutely fascinating. Unless I am misreading it he is achieving balanced audio over RCA cables with his magical Alumiloy conductor. He is doing the same for AES/EBU balanced audio cables which also appear to show RCA connectors. Most of this cable I have seen is rated at 110 ohms so it might be coaxial cable?"

You REALLY need to understand the technology in play here. RCA connectors and balanced signals are an oxymoron. Balanced audio requires 2 conductors WITH NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER with ground. Period.

RCA cables ARE hi-Z and UNBALANCED. This is not changeable by good ol Joe. He is NOT on the cusp of anything new technically and as I suggested earlier, Google "Alumiloy" and see what it is used for and how it is joined to other metals.

Just because someone tells you he has technology at his fingertips that NO ONE else has does NOT make it so.

I do find Joe's site fascinating and extremely amusing. If you read it all, there is absolutely ZERO FACTUAL provable technology, test results, etc. ZILCH.

Did you notice after he was called out to provide these numbers and results he beat a hasty retreat?

Now go to Belden, Canare, Hirose, West Penn, Carol, Mogami, Gepco, American, or any other legit cable manufacturer or distributor and they readily provide these results so professionals can decide on cable types for a given purpose. Every one of these manufacturers will send free samples for you own analysis with no restrictions or codicils. You can run your own tests, do breakdown analysis, mechanical tests whatever you want.

Every time those of us who actually KNOW these materials and press the snake oil brood for details and facts they run and hide and /or deride anyone who wants specific answers.

Being swayed to buy uber expensive cables without documentation is the same as buying a used car and believing what the salesman told you about it never being wrecked without having it actually checked.

Several of us here make our living designing components, mega buck systems, servicing them or installing them and we KNOW what is fact and what is hype.

If these guys actually had the same type of data as the real manufacturers do, why do they NEVER publish it? All you ever see is hyperbole and vacuous claims of sonic nirvana, etc. Same holds true for video cables.

Cables are NOT active components. They are about as passive as it is possible to be. If a system has all the clarity and depth etc, they claim, the truth is that quality comes from the source media, the preamp, the power amp, the speakers and the room acoustics. THAT is what matters.

Giz, I think Paladin was joking in his post.

"Giz, I think Paladin was joking in his post."

It's been a long day and after so many attempts by the snake oil crowd to sell the BS you just get a little insensitive sometimes to sarcasm.

Hopefully JS and from the other similar thread, Mr High End Audio will both takes their silliness elsewhere.

I can't wait to see tomorrows's postings by these guys. They do provide some degree of amusement in the complete absence of any degree of technical experience let alone accuracy and facts.

I was joking of course, after visiting the website I found it hard to be serious about it.

I am still trying to figure out balanced RCA cables and the balanced circuits that might accept said cables.

Personally I use Belden, Canare, West Penn, Mogami, etc. Aluminoy, I do not know.

Back in the olden days, composite video distribution amps often had an isolated BNC on the input and a jumper that allowed the shield to be lifted from ground at the DA input. The input to the next stage is differential. This is an example of using a differential amplifier with an unbalanced source.

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Anytime you're in Buffalo, NY Giz you are welcome to stop by for some real Buffalo wings and a good bear.



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As in any industry there lies a certain percentage of kooks, and audio certainly has it's share. However, that does not excuse the childish behavior and bashing that occurs here toward companies and real people who you know little about.
A few guys LIVE here and that could be looked upon as a bit questionable. The word hypocrite comes to mind- Place that current way of life under magnification- I'm certain it's as flawed as the specs they seek.

I agree that there are products being improperly promoted out there which make us all look bad, and I also work toward rectifying that, but not by defaming and bashing (-negative) on open forum, but rather by attempting to show the purveyors of such an alternate path (+positive). The former requires only immaturity, the later wisdom.



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Good luck man, and far be it for me to do anything but be positive about pursuing your dreams. You will find however when the rent is due every month, the wife is on your ass, your car is overdue for replacing, and the kids need new clothes for school, that you'll need to stop making Cables for Humanity and actually make a real living.



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There is something really wrong with you. Has your doctor ever recommended a good multivitamin.
I have a life and family outside of responding to stupidity. I'm still here and as popular as ever within this little audio niche.

Do you really think you're that scary? I'm way more crazier than you man.

Slow week, Joe?

I don't know that I said it was BS. What I do know is that even though I have some Monster Cables, Interlink 400s, it doesn't matter which way I have them connected. Neither way produces hum nor is there a SQ difference.

In addition I have some other brands of cables, from Acoustic Research to cables with no name on them. Only the Monsters have directional arrows on them so it would be safe to assume that they are the only directionally designed cables. Funny thing is, the other cables don't introduce hum or any other negative attributes into my system.

So, even though directionally designed cables exist, what the hell are they for? What magical problem exists that they correct? How come I have never met anyone who has had to resort to using them to solve this magical problem? How come no one else on AVS has apparently either?

I can relate to your comment. But if you can find time to challange people why can't you seem to find the time to respond with any actual data to support your challanges. So perhaps you can see how it might "appear" to some that you are dodging a bit.



And this is just too funny. Sorta like one witch doctor, touting their brand of mysticism as being, somehow, more believable because they only kill the chickens rather than drink their blood afterwards.

I visited your web site and BS by any other name is still BS.

No man, actually I have lots of stuff to do, so I have no clue what I'm doing here.

Later...

Like I said, you'll find out when you're the one paying all the bills. As for income, we all have to make a living dude, so lay off me with that income is a motivator thing. I'd rather be sitting in Southern California with Giz sucking on a mai tai on the beach arguing about specs! The only thing money does for me is pay the bills.

Great to hear you take good care of your customers, so do I. You're confusing customer care with retail prices, although may times in retail loss of profit typically erodes customer care.

I must say though that our customers are great- I mean really good people to work with! Which makes this thing they call life easy enough to bear.

I have to get to work... Later... Joe

Specs Joe, you were asked to provide specs and AGAIN you try in vain to deflect.

From Joe: "I'm way more crazier than you man."

Truer words were NEVER spoken Joe.

I declare it official: Joe cannot provide any specs for any cable product he hawks because he HAS NONE AND CANNOT PROVIDE ANY.

PROVE ME WRONG JOE!!

It would be OK if you just admitted you sell this silliness to those with no experience and absolutely zero tech savvy and are just out to make a buck.

I am curious how many hundreds of thousands of feet of alumiloy you have custom drawn for your cables. If you make power cables, please assure us that they have been UL tested and listed.

Finally, it's good of you to admit it