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Stores get new PN50C7000 SAMSUNG PLASMA 3D today - Anyone seen one ???

post #1 of 78
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The new PN50C7000 should be arriving in stores today and be on sale tomorrow Friday April 2.

It is an upgrade to the 2009 PN50B650 and 850/860 with 3D.

Has anyone seen one?

How does it compare to the UN55C7000?

Any issues with it?

Ghosting?

Objectionable buzz or hum?

Black levels?

Would you buy one?
post #2 of 78
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Originally Posted by jgcec View Post

The new PN50C7000 should be arriving in stores today and be on sale tomorrow Friday April 2.

It is an upgrade to the 2009 PN50B650 and 850/860 with 3D.

Has anyone seen one?

How does it compare to the UN55C7000?

Any issues with it?

Ghosting?

Objectionable buzz or hum?

Black levels?

Would you buy one?

I believe it was reported on another thread that today is when the smaller Samsung (50 instead of 55 inch) in its now plasma form will become available for order as opposesd to being in stores. Then too maybe its current availability is an April Fool's joke. lol (Seriously though certainly look forward to any reportings on how this unit compares with its equal sized Panasonic plasma 3D TV.)
post #3 of 78
As of about 2pm yesterday, March 31st, the PN50C7000 was available for order at the Sears store in Fresno CA where I work. I had a customer interested in the UN55C7000 but not interested in the price. She then fell in love with the PN50B850 which is in short supply. Just for fun I looked up the PN50C7000 to see if it was available and though it was not in stock at the time it did show up as available for order to the store with an earliest pickup date of April 6th. The price difference between it and the UN55C7000 is enough to pay for the 3D bd player and 6 pair of glasses (8 if the free starter pack is available with the plasma--didn't research that).

We get shipments of tvs on tuesdays and thursdays, so there's a slim chance the PN50C7000 arrived today, but it's my day off so I can't verify. If not today I'd say there's a good chance of a store stock unit arriving next Tuesday.

We currently have in stock several pair of the replaceable battery glasses and a couple of the starter packs along with one UN46C7000. We have one of the latter on display, as far away from the UN55C7000 as possible.
post #4 of 78
Sammy's PN50C8000 is also available but on Amazon, and has more features than the C7000.
post #5 of 78
According to this site, the 50" 3D PDP ships today:

http://www.3d-display-info.com/samsung-pnc8000
post #6 of 78
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Originally Posted by sam1289 View Post

Sammy's PN50C8000 is also available but on Amazon, and has more features than the C7000.

What are the differences between the two? On Amazon, the price difference is only 67 bucks?
post #7 of 78
I think the differences are that you have access to the calibratiion of the picture settings on the c8000 and the motion judder canceller feature.

However sammys c8000 3D plasma has noticable buzzing sound and has visible ghostings when watching 3DBluray monsters vs aliens. These ghostings were also found to be on thier 3D led sets, 7000/8000.
post #8 of 78
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Originally Posted by sam1289 View Post

I think the differences are that you have access to the calibratiion of the picture settings on the c8000 and the motion judder canceller feature.

However sammys c8000 3D plasma has noticable buzzing sound and has visible ghostings when watching 3DBluray monsters vs aliens. These ghostings were also found to be on thier 3D led sets, 7000/8000.

If the sammy 8000 you refer to is from the Consumer Reports test, then it was not plasma. Both of the Samsung 3D sets tested against the Panasonic Plasma by Consumer Reports were LCD sets. I believe the jury is still out on whether the problems identified on the Samsung LCDs carry over to the apparently yet to become available in stores Samsung 3D Plasma. (Of course if you are referring to some other test a link would be welcome.)
post #9 of 78
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Originally Posted by NorthTV View Post

If the sammy 8000 you refer to is from the Consumer Reports test, then it was not plasma. Both of the Samsung 3D sets tested against the Panasonic Plasma by Consumer Reports were LCD sets. I believe the jury is still out on whether the problems identified on the Samsung LCDs carry over to the apparently yet to become available in stores Samsung 3D Plasma. (Of course if you are referring to some other test a link would be welcome.)


I am referring to the c8000 3D plasma, one of the guys here have this set and is informing us on its performance so far.

see link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...214088&page=25
post #10 of 78
To me samsung really need to improve on thier 3d tech, panny is the one with the best quality at the mo
post #11 of 78
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Originally Posted by sam1289 View Post

To me samsung really need to improve on thier 3d tech, panny is the one with the best quality at the mo


This seems to have been the consensus from those who were at CES in January though of course many of the competing models were prototypes so there continues to be wishful thinking that the final products that we have not seen yet might equal or better Panasonic. Personally, I am really curious how the LG Full 3D Full LED (lol) will compare when it arrives later this month.

To me the biggest drawback for LCd is ghosting and angle of view.
post #12 of 78
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Originally Posted by sam1289 View Post

I am referring to the c8000 3D plasma, one of the guys here have this set and is informing us on its performance so far.

see link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...214088&page=25

I think the jury is still out as to whether or not the Samsung plasma shows any "ghosting" with 3D material. The owner of the unit hasn't tried any settings yet and couldn't even say if the BD player and T.V. were both set to 3D mode!
post #13 of 78
I have the PDP 50" 7000, no ghosting on the 2D to 3D I've watched. Haven't hooked up "Monsters VS Aliens" yet.
post #14 of 78
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post

I have the PDP 50" 7000, no ghosting on the 2D to 3D I've watched. Haven't hooked Monsters VS Aliens yet.

Hello matey i just asked about ghosting on this tv in another thread :P would you be able to post your thoughts when you have watched your 3d blu ray and let us know if there are any crosstalk problems? cheers.
post #15 of 78
Will do.
post #16 of 78
Well I've gotten my wife and adult son's opinion- thumbs down, not worth it, gives them eyestrain after a while. Wife says the 3D is barely more than our present set and I have to agree. This is on 2D to 3D. We have the rest of the month to make up our minds but it doesn't look good , no pun intended.
post #17 of 78
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post

Well I've gotten my wife and adult son's opinion- thumbs down, not worth it, gives them eyestrain after a while. Wife says the 3D is barely more than our present set and I have to agree. This is on 2D to 3D. We have the rest of the month to make up our minds but it doesn't look good , no pun intended.

I've never seen this TV in person, so I can't really say one way or the other, but I definitely wouldn't judge the thing on it's 2D to 3D conversion performance. The idea of 2D to 3D conversion, is pretty much a joke to begin with, and I think that it would be best to view that kind of feature as something that you most likely will NEVER use, but maybe just once in awhile the effect will work for specific content. I would imagine that watching 2D TV or Movie content would be quite painful. If you're a gamer you might want to try something like Gears of War 2 on the Xbox 360. I remember hearing at CES that somebody was using Gears of War 2 on a 2D to 3D conversion, and the results were pretty impressive.

In other words, I think the 2D to 3D function is probably something that only gamers would use, and even then, most likely 90 percent of the time it would be a bad idea to use it even for that. Maybe 10 percent of the time there is a certain game that looks impressive because the game engine the game is using for whatever reason works well with the conversion algorithm.

The bottom line is that you need to watch some REAL, true 3D content. Watch the Monsters vs. Aliens movie and also the Masters, and then report back.
post #18 of 78
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Originally Posted by sam1289 View Post

To me samsung really need to improve on thier 3d tech, panny is the one with the best quality at the mo

So, I'm interested in hearing where you were able to see a side by side demonstration between the the Panasonic Plasma 3D and the Samsung Plasma 3D sets, and what was it that set the Panasonic apart as being the one with the best quality?
post #19 of 78
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post

Well I've gotten my wife and adult son's opinion- thumbs down, not worth it, gives them eyestrain after a while. Wife says the 3D is barely more than our present set and I have to agree. This is on 2D to 3D. We have the rest of the month to make up our minds but it doesn't look good , no pun intended.

I wasn't that impressed with the 2D to 3D conversion, but as far as I'm concerned it's simply a bonus that might fun to try out, and if it works on some things fine, if not.. no big deal.

Funny though, I've read other accounts of folks having very good results with the Samsung 2D to 3D conversion. I think it's very dependent on the source material.

It's to bad that your wife and adult son's first 3D TV experience was based on that rather than with a real 3D movie. The difference is night and day!

I've got a feeling once they see the real thing they will have a new appreciation for this exciting new technology.
post #20 of 78
Unfortunately not enough 3D material at this time to justify it. Maybe if I needed a new TV but I don't.
post #21 of 78
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post

Unfortunately not enough 3D material at this time to justify it. Maybe if I needed a new TV but I don't.

Can you let us know about the 3d bluray movie monster vs aliens on this tv. Did you experience any ghostings or any flicker with the movie
post #22 of 78
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Originally Posted by Derek Dean View Post

So, I'm interested in hearing where you were able to see a side by side demonstration between the the Panasonic Plasma 3D and the Samsung Plasma 3D sets, and what was it that set the Panasonic apart as being the one with the best quality?

I didnt see a side by side demonstration, i am going on the reviews that i have heard on this site and elsewhere.
post #23 of 78
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Originally Posted by Anthony1 View Post

I've never seen this TV in person, so I can't really say one way or the other, but I definitely wouldn't judge the thing on it's 2D to 3D conversion performance. The idea of 2D to 3D conversion, is pretty much a joke to begin with, and I think that it would be best to view that kind of feature as something that you most likely will NEVER use, but maybe just once in awhile the effect will work for specific content. I would imagine that watching 2D TV or Movie content would be quite painful. If you're a gamer you might want to try something like Gears of War 2 on the Xbox 360. I remember hearing at CES that somebody was using Gears of War 2 on a 2D to 3D conversion, and the results were pretty impressive.

In other words, I think the 2D to 3D function is probably something that only gamers would use, and even then, most likely 90 percent of the time it would be a bad idea to use it even for that. Maybe 10 percent of the time there is a certain game that looks impressive because the game engine the game is using for whatever reason works well with the conversion algorithm.

The bottom line is that you need to watch some REAL, true 3D content. Watch the Monsters vs. Aliens movie and also the Masters, and then report back.

With the 2D to 3D conversion only the animation I tried was disappointing (maybe because it already has lots of depth). Everything else looked very good - Black Hawk Down, Pearl Harbor and Bare Naked Ladies in concert - like looking through a window (literally)! My optometrist has told me I have exceptional depth perception so maybe that's why it looks so good to me - I kind of feel sorry for the rest of you. I wouldn't buy one of these sets without 2D to 3D conversion. Anyway, I'm not the only one who likes the conversion.

http://hdguru.com/samsungs-3d-un55c8...t-review/1440/

For some reason you'll have to go to the right side and click on Samsung 3D.
post #24 of 78
I find the conversion very good, but maybe I'm more sensitive than my wife and son. I like it and if you are a 3D fan than get this TV. You can watch everything in 3D if you want. Definitely improves watching TV. It seems to sharpen up and make the image more realistic. Watching with out it makes the picture look flat on this set. My CRT-RPTV has more depth to the picture for 2D but not as much as this when converting.
post #25 of 78
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post

I find the conversion very good, but maybe I'm more sensitive than my wife and son. I like it and if you are a 3D fan than get this TV. You can watch everything in 3D if you want. Definitely improves watching TV. It seems to sharpen up and make the image more realistic. Watching with out it makes the picture look flat on this set. My CRT-RPTV has more depth to the picture for 2D but not as much as this when converting.

Did you play with the Depth Adjustment?
post #26 of 78
Yes I have, I watch it 4-5, maybe I need to crank it up for them. It goes to 10. I like it to look like real life. The higher numbers become disconcerting for me. I only want to watch 3D on this set now but so far I'm the only one. I wonder how many hours I'm going to get out of the glasses?
post #27 of 78
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post

Yes I have, I watch it 4-5, maybe I need to crank it up for them. It goes to 10. I like it to look like real life. The higher numbers become disconcerting for me. I only want to watch 3D on this set now but so far I'm the only one. I wonder how many hours I'm going to get out of the glasses?

Operating Time: 50 hours

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_3052100...=detailed_info
post #28 of 78
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

With the 2D to 3D conversion only the animation I tried was disappointing (maybe because it already has lots of depth). Everything else looked very good - Black Hawk Down, Pearl Harbor and Bare Naked Ladies in concert - like looking through a window (literally)! My optometrist has told me I have exceptional depth perception so maybe that's why it looks so good to me - I kind of feel sorry for the rest of you. I wouldn't buy one of these sets without 2D to 3D conversion. Anyway, I'm not the only one who likes the conversion.

http://hdguru.com/samsungs-3d-un55c8...t-review/1440/

For some reason you'll have to go to the right side and click on Samsung 3D.

Your link is broken. This one should work.
post #29 of 78
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Your link is broken. This one should work.

Thanks!
post #30 of 78
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Originally Posted by Derek Dean View Post

I wasn't that impressed with the 2D to 3D conversion, but as far as I'm concerned it's simply a bonus that might fun to try out, and if it works on some things fine, if not.. no big deal.

Upgrading 2D to 3D will be like upgrading all signals coming in to 1080P. Was the process complete, yes. When you feed in a bad signal, in the end the signal will still be bad. This will not be top quality as if it was filmed and completed in 3d from the get go, as a 480i film is transfered to 1080P is not top quality in the end with conversion.
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