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post #1111 of 1485
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Originally Posted by bcc View Post

Does anyone know if the proprietary dvi->hdmi dongle is still needed to pass audio out that port with radeon hd 77xx models? HIS sells this dongle but only describes the dongle for "ATI Radeon HD 6000, HD 5800, HD 5700, HD 4800, HD 4600, HD 4300, HD 3800, HD 3600 & HD 3400 models"

I'm hoping that with the new Discrete Digital Multi-Point Audio (DDMA) support, AMD has cleaned up this requirement in their driver.

This dongle is for 6*** and lower series of radeon.
No need for 7*** series.
post #1112 of 1485
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Originally Posted by ricabullah View Post

This dongle is for 6*** and lower series of radeon.
No need for 7*** series.

Great. But even the cost reduced 74xx/75xx/76xx models which are supposed to just be renumbered 6 series? Probably a moot point since those OEM models don't seem to be available for separate purchase.
post #1113 of 1485
I have dual 560ti cpus and pdvd12 hooked up to a Denon 1.3hdmi avr and an Epson 5010 1.4a hdmi PJ. I can get the audio bitstreamed to the avr while the video plays fine in BR3D on the PJ - but the audio is not in-sync... anyone with this problem? I've turned off the audio sync in the Denon but no help... I've adjusted the audio delay in the Denon w/wo audio sync on.... none of that helped.... I have had no sync issues when using a panny or oppo br3d player for the same purpose as the htpc....
post #1114 of 1485
your on sli so that will give u syn issue when one is going to pj and one to avr.can you just use one card and put one to pj and one to avr.
post #1115 of 1485
I want to watch the NBC 3D olympics on my HD66. Can use the following?

Feed the NBC 3D signal to my HTPC with a HD AverTV video capture card
then output to HD66 via AMD 6450 and watch with my DLP 3D glasses??

Otherwise what could be a cheap solution? (avoid Optoma 3D-XL)

Thanks for any help
post #1116 of 1485
I wound up upgrading to a radeon 6450 to get hardware accelerated 3d playback. However, I've found that hardware acceleration doesn't work unless I turn off "Enforce Smooth Video Playback" (ESVP) in the catalyst video settings. This is true for both powerdvd 12 & tmt 5. I tried most of the catalyst drivers - version 11.4 thru 12.4 - same problem.
When ESVP is on (which is the default), both players report that DXVA hardware acceleration is off.
Both the TMT and cyberlink forums have users beating their heads against the wall over 3d playback with no real answers from the vendors, and I suspect this is their real problem. With the catalyst driver not defaulting to a working setting for 3d it's no wonder.

I suspect I wouldn't have had this problem with a higher end radeon such as the 6570 or 7750, but I was really going for the low TDP.
post #1117 of 1485
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Originally Posted by bcc View Post

I wound up upgrading to a radeon 6450 to get hardware accelerated 3d playback. However, I've found that hardware acceleration doesn't work unless I turn off "Enforce Smooth Video Playback" (ESVP) in the catalyst video settings. This is true for both powerdvd 12 & tmt 5. I tried most of the catalyst drivers - version 11.4 thru 12.4 - same problem.
When ESVP is on (which is the default), both players report that DXVA hardware acceleration is off.
Both the TMT and cyberlink forums have users beating their heads against the wall over 3d playback with no real answers from the vendors, and I suspect this is their real problem. With the catalyst driver not defaulting to a working setting for 3d it's no wonder.

I suspect I wouldn't have had this problem with a higher end radeon such as the 6570 or 7750, but I was really going for the low TDP.

I had the same problem with a 6550 embedded with the AMD quad core and I also had the same problem with the stand alone 6450. I upgraded my HTPC because of this one issue.. I stumbled on it and couldn't believe that I upgraded the MB, the processor from an Athlon 4850e and a 6450 just to get the 3D working.. all the time it being that one option being checked.

Man.. I hope others don't have to go through the same frustration.. CHECK THE ESVP!!
post #1118 of 1485
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Originally Posted by RBurnthorn View Post

Man.. I hope others don't have to go through the same frustration.. CHECK THE ESVP!!

I feel better knowing I'm not the only one and that I only wasted time trying to bisect the problem across different catalyst versions This info should be in post #1.

If it is by design that ESVP should be turned off for 3d, then IMO the players should trigger this change automatically just like they are able to change the refresh rate from 60hz to 24hz for 3d playback.
post #1119 of 1485
I recently got excited and bought an Intel G850 which formed the basis of a new HTPC:
(I got the G850 + MB for $94 which I think it incredible).

I have the Acer H5360 which is a 3D Vision compatible projector only capable of receiving 3D in frame sequential format at 120Hz.

The Intel Software lets me enable 720p120 and the projector confirms it's in that mode. Using Stereoscopic Player I can enable Software Pageflipping and hey presto I have working 3D, but the performance is poor, and the screen randomly judders left and right occasionally.

PowerDVD 12 Ultra lists Frame Sequential as a selectable 3D mode, but when I attempt to enable it I get an error saying it can't be switched on and that I should check my output options.

Has anyone in my positon achieved success? I do have a spare GT240 that I don't want to use as it ruins my vision of a clean minimalistic system.

As an aside I want to mention that despite the specs implying there is no quicksync on the G850, I can use it to hardware accelerate decode with the LAV video filter.
post #1120 of 1485
Trying to get 3d video to play from my HTPC (using GTX460) to Toshiba 55L6200U.

I went through the process of setting up the 3d stereoscopic player with no problems and saw the test image in 3d (1080p24hz and 720p60hz). Then, I downloaded a test video from 3dtv.at, but I can't seem to get it to play in either their stereoscopic player or PDVD free trial. Depending on what settings I used in stereoscopic player, I could only see the image in one eye, or see both images side-by-side, or on top of eachother, but can't seem to get it to play properly. Any tips?
post #1121 of 1485
johndeere19. Have you tried nvidia's native 3d vision player (a rebranded version of stereoscopic player). I'm not sure if it works with 3dtv play. I'm assuming you are using 3dtv play rather than nvidia 3d vision.

However, I looked up your TV model and it seems that it supports manually 3D mode selection. If you are playing downloaded files then these are usually in Half SBS format. You can play these in any player and manually put your TV in the correct 3D mode. From your manual.

Press the QUICK button. Select 3D Settings, and then press the OK button.
2 Press the (Up/Down arrow) buttons to select 3D Format Select, and then press the OK button.
3 Press the (Left /Right arrow) buttons to select Side by Side or Top and Bottom.
post #1122 of 1485
Just adding this in case anyone has the same type setup as me.

I have a PC/HTPC with a gtx 470 for gaming but it doesnt bitstream so I wanted to use my onboard intel HD4000 gpu (i5-3570) for bitstreaming and 3d output to my tv in another room. Im outputting 3d isos and mkvs. Using TMT5 it wasnt working properly until i made my tv the PRIMARY display. You can do this in windows 7 control panel. Once I did this everything autodetected properly and now my 3d rips and mkvs display properly. If I kept my main monitor and gtx470 as the main display everything got output in the generic 2d>3d mode which is not nearly as good. Just a fyi. I have yet to get my receiver incorporated into the mix but will as soon as it gets here from onkyo.

Im using...intel gpu drivers and TMT5..... other hacks or fixes or special settings.
post #1123 of 1485
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Originally Posted by cablebandit3 View Post

Just adding this in case anyone has the same type setup as me.
I have a PC/HTPC with a gtx 470 for gaming but it doesnt bitstream so I wanted to use my onboard intel HD4000 gpu (i5-3570) for bitstreaming and 3d output to my tv in another room. Im outputting 3d isos and mkvs. Using TMT5 it wasnt working properly until i made my tv the PRIMARY display. You can do this in windows 7 control panel. Once I did this everything autodetected properly and now my 3d rips and mkvs display properly. If I kept my main monitor and gtx470 as the main display everything got output in the generic 2d>3d mode which is not nearly as good. Just a fyi. I have yet to get my receiver incorporated into the mix but will as soon as it gets here from onkyo.
Im using...intel gpu drivers and TMT5..... other hacks or fixes or special settings.

Beware the Onkyos. I had to use a Panasonic display driver instead of the generic pnp driver that windows 7 installed or my TMT5 or anyother program wouldn't output 3D. So in your case you will probably need to install the driver from your TV in place of the Generic PnP driver that it will use. Just use Monitor Asset Manager to create an .info file and then use that as your driver. That's worked for me.
post #1124 of 1485
thanks that may be a BIG help. Ive already got an inf file for my LG plasma just in case. Im hoping with the onkyo (tx-nr3009) being hdmi 1.4 that everything will go smoothly but we will see. It actually ships today so I hope i have it all working by thursday possibly
post #1125 of 1485
For some reason even though it's 1.4, they just didn't program the EDID with the 3D information. They have all the other stuff in there just fine but it doesn't report 3D capabilities like you will see in your LG. But at least you know how to fix the issue instead of spending countless hours banging your head trying to figure out where in the chain could be the problem.rolleyes.gif
post #1126 of 1485
Ok, so im very new to this. I have read a lot trying to figure this out by myself... but i think is time to ask

I have my PC GPU (GTX 570) connected through HDMI to my HT 3D ready Onkyo S5400, which is then connected to my 3D Samsung TV (LN55C750) via HDMI.

The PC is also connected to my Monitor through DVI, so i have dual monitor

Ive never had any problem with this components, i got Powerdvd 12 Ultra and tried to play a BD 3D, i extended the display and selected the TV as the main display.

Powerdvd recognize my TV, and even when i click the option to enable 3D, the tv screen flickers and changes to 1080p 24p, but nothing happens...... no 3D... the movie is display in regular 2D

I dont have Nvidia 3D TvPlay and i have read that i dont need it to play 3D BD, only for 3D games.

What can i do?

Any help will be really appreciated.

Thank you very much
post #1127 of 1485
Have you tried disabling the second monitor?
post #1128 of 1485
Yes, you should disconnect the second display. I think you'd probably have trouble even if both sets were 3D and you cloned the same desktop to each, but I doubt you'll ever get it to work with an extended desktop. I use PowerDVD to watch 3D on two different computers - one with an nVidia 520 card, and one with the built-in graphics of an Intel i3 CPU (no discrete graphics card). Both work perfectly, and neither needs any other software to play 3D. They also play 3D iso files from my server.
post #1129 of 1485
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

Have you tried disabling the second monitor?

Yes, already tried that before posting here, i read somewhere that might cause trouble..... so i tried first with extended display, then, by disabling my monitor... same result

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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Yes, you should disconnect the second display. I think you'd probably have trouble even if both sets were 3D and you cloned the same desktop to each, but I doubt you'll ever get it to work with an extended desktop. I use PowerDVD to watch 3D on two different computers - one with an nVidia 520 card, and one with the built-in graphics of an Intel i3 CPU (no discrete graphics card). Both work perfectly, and neither needs any other software to play 3D. They also play 3D iso files from my server.


No luck, already tried that, does Powerdvd 12 has the 3D Plugin?? i have read about this "3d plugin" but i have never actually download or install something like this, i thought maybe Powerdvd had it already...... could this be the problem??
post #1130 of 1485
Did you activate 3D in the nVidia control panel?

Also, you might try a different HDMI input on the Onkyo.

Or try powering up your gear in a different order. Sometimes I have to power down my Denon 3D receiver, or something in the HDMI chain reports that it's not "compliant." HDMI is an ugly mess.

You don't need any other software to get PowerDVD 12 to play 3D movies. I recently downloaded the latest nVidia drivers from their web site and did the full install. The nVidia 520 card in my HTPC works fine without anything else. So do the Intel graphics drivers for my Core i3 HTPC. I get perfect playback.
post #1131 of 1485
In summary to what others have stated:

1. Disconnect the DVI output to the second monitor.
2. Make sure you enable 3D in the nVidia Control Center.
3. Power up in this order, with a few seconds in between: TV, Onkyo, HTPC.
post #1132 of 1485
Hi i hope someone can clear this up for me. I'm trying to play 3D Bluray ISO using total media theater 5 or powerdvd 10. I have the gt430 which can passthrough 3d stream. The problem is, my projector benQ w710st is a 720p 3d ready dlp projector and it cannot support hdmi 1,4 directly, it needs something like a optoma 3d-xl converter to convert it to hdmi 1.3 signal. Simple put:

1) Do I really have to get the 3d-xl which will cost me for $230 if I want to play 3d bluray iso from my htpc using total media theater or powerdvd 10?
2) Can hdmi 1.3 support 3d htpc playback? If yes then i would be super glad because my projector cannot accept hdmi 1.4 frown.gif
post #1133 of 1485
You're almost there. You have a 3D-ready projector, TMT5, and nVidia GT430. The only thing you're missing with this setup is the nVidia 3D Vision setup which will enable the 3D system for nVidia's drivers. The setup kit comes with the USB IR-sync emitter and a pair of glasses. Expect to pay about half of what you were looking at for the Optoma 3DXL.

If you only want one pair of glasses, then you're set at this point. If you want more, then you can choose to buy more nVidia glasses for @ $80/ea or you can also try DLP-link glasses which can be had for less than half that amount. Once you plug in the nVidia emitter, the drivers are "unlocked" and you can choose to use either the nVidia system or DLP-link through the PJ.
post #1134 of 1485
Has anyone ran into the problem of powerdvd 12 saying your display isn't compaitible with nvidia 3d vision? Powerdvd 11 however works fine. Using an optoma hd66 with a gtx460?
post #1135 of 1485
Can anyone help me uninstall the 3dtv play activation utilty? I did the trial but it does nothing for me since I only watch 3d blu rays and I don't need this software for that. Anyways, every time I restart my comuter, the utility comes on and asks me if I want to enter an activation code or uninstall. If I click uninstall, my computer asks for permission etc..., but nothing happens. If I try to uninstall in the uninstall programs panel, it also does nothing. I just don't want this annoyance... Help? Thanks
post #1136 of 1485
Have you tried uninstalling it through Windows (Add/Remove Programs)?
post #1137 of 1485
here are my system specs to get that out of the way:
INtel core i-5 2500k
8gb ddr3@1800
auzentech meridian 7.1 soundcard
AMD 6950 2gb
Viewsonic pjd6221 projector @120hz
THX certified desktop speakers but going to use an older Sony reciever ( after some black friday sales to get some klipsch speakers)
I use this rig for gaming and watching blu-rays on my projector but it only has vga. I am using Anydvd HD for hdcp removal so I could use my projector and so I am trying to figure out what would be
my best solution for doing 3d blu ray viewing. Blu-ray programs wont do 3d with my projector because either I dont have an nvidia gpu or
that the projector doesnt have hdmi. SO here are my options as far as I can see:

1) I sell my old gpu to offset the costs of an nvidia 670 (might as well go big). A 670 costs about $360

2)Sell my projector to offset the costs of getting an optoma gt750e game time projector. It runs for about 700-800

3)Buy an hdcp removal device that supports 3d output/splitting that might spoof the pc into thinking its an hdmi 1.4. A good one is about 400 but I have seen some as low as about 150-200.

4) viewsonics suggestion to use their 3d scaler box but I think its like optomas in that it only outputs through hdmi, though not a 100% certain but since I got a vga only projector it would mean I may still need a splitter

5) Get an older cheap nvidia card in my full length pic-e 4x slot and use that for 3d. I am noting that I would have to buy an nvision kit, which adds a few hundred to the equation it seems.

6) try to find a software that can work arounf such as stereoscopic player that can force frame sequential output but it is only effective with 3d blurays, otherwise its 2d-3d conversion makes for choppy frame rates since it is software based, and I am guessing my system cant keep up or its just poorly coded. Either way thats like another 80+ bucks

ANyone have nay suggestions on the route I choose? I would like to not spend a whole lot as I plan to buy rather nice speakers in the near future. I am also considering not doing 3d at all if its too much trouble and just go for a decent native 1080p projector, but it would have to have a low latency since I would use it for gaming periodically.
post #1138 of 1485
I really need some help I plan on buying one of these two tonight

http://www.microcenter.com/product/380989/SX2855-UB22P_Desktop_Computer_Refurbished
Intel Core i3-2100
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit)
4GB DDR3 RAM
1TB Hard Drive
16x DVDRW SuperMulti Drive
Multi-in-1 Digital Media Card Reader
Intel HD Graphics 2000
10/100/1000 Network

or

http://www.microcenter.com/product/389579/Aspire_X1_AX1430G-UW30P_Desktop_Computer_Refurbished
AMD E-450 Dual-Core Processor
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit)
4GB DDR3-1333 SDRAM
1TB 5,400RPM Hard Drive
DVDRW Drive
Multi-in-1 Media Card Reader
AMD Radeon HD6320
10/100/1000 Network

I want to be able to do 3d playback and run windows 7 media center. Let me know if either one will give me fluid hd and true dts sound and 3d capable.
I am on a strict budget and these are both referb with license for under $250 and I can't afford to spend any more than that right now. I would also like to try xbmc on it

I will also be ok with buying a $50 - $75 video card down the road if it will make it all work fine.

Thanks for your help
post #1139 of 1485
@ bigemike: I think either setup will work for your purposes, but I'd go with the core i3 myself. The HD2000 graphics on the i3 should be more than enough for 3D 1080p/24 playback. Keep in mind that you'll need to add a blu-ray player (~$50) if you want to run 3D discs.
post #1140 of 1485
I am just setting up my htpc for 3d. I just got a Benq w7000 and so tried it out with Sammy's Adventure. The 3D was amazing using True Depth 3d DLP-Link glasses, however, the sound was not able to keep up, so I seem to have performance problems. My HTPC is a Gigabyte GA-880GA motherboard with an AMD Athlon II X2 250 dual core processor with 4GB RAM running windows 7 64 bit, and for 3D I added the HIS Silence AMD Radeon HD 6450 graphics card with 2GB. Have a SeaSonic X750 Gold power supply and an Antec Sonata Elite case and a Lite-on 4x Blu-ray read only drive. The HD6450 card is connected via HDMI 1.4 to a Denon AVR2313 and from there through a Darbee to the Benq. I was using Corel WinDVD Pro 11. At first I couldn't get the 3D to work, but then from earlier posts on this forum tried turning off the Enforce Smooth Video Playback (ESVP) in the catalyst video settings. Before turning off the ESVP the Windows experience score is only 3.6 due to the HD6450 which scoreed only 3.6. Afterwards it increased to 4.1. The graphics renders fine, it is just the audio that is both out of sync (slightly delayed) and just stops every few seconds for a fraction of a second, then starts again, just as if it can't quite keep up. What do you think my problem is? I just got the HD6450 because it is fanless and perfect for the HTPC and the temp inside the case is running around 45 C so it is not too hot. Anyway I can still return the HIS Silence H645H2G if another card would be better in this setup, or I could upgrade the processor. I also set the card up to run 1080p 60hz, maybe that is too fast, I guess I can try scaling that back. As you can see, I am posting to get some advice as to where my problem is. Thanks.
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