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post #151 of 330
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

I used ControlCAL.

Same here - and PIO50 in Factory, FST returns S91 or "50 Pioneer model (for Europe and General)" per the manual.
post #152 of 330
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Originally Posted by powertoold View Post

I would think someone who used KuroControl would also see PIO50 in the Factory Menu

PIO50_A is NA, PIO50_J is Japan, and PIO50 is Euro/General.
post #153 of 330
At least via KuroControl, mine shows up as S91 as well. Before the change, it showed up as S95 per the logs. I don't have access to a SM remote, but I think it's fairly safe to assume that it does indeed show up as PIO50 there. SM definitely came up on the screen during the change process so it definitely does have access to it and performing the operation and not just somehow tricking the panel into thinking it's PIO50 while keeping it FS95. I don't know what else the patch is supposed to be doing, but on the surface of things it seems to be doing the same thing.

Also, ISFcc modes properly show up in KuroReader once activated (you could probably activate via KuroReader actually once you have it FS91). The one thing KuroReader doesn't give you is the 9-point gamma control, but the ISFcc modes are properly detected as activated in it after they've been enabled in KuroControl. I have no idea what functional difference the patch has (other than backing up old settings), but it does seem to be doing the same or very similar and realistically anyone who bought a KRP also bought an extended warranty on it. My warranty provider if the KRP ever has anything go wrong with it isn't going to care if there are isfcc modes or not (or for that matter have any clue whether they were there already or enabled after the fact). What they will care about is if there's something wrong with the panel or underlying electronics.

What are your panels showing up as under KuroReader on the service info tab?
post #154 of 330
jdbimmer are you confirming that with the ControlCal patch the panel's service menu and FST are reporting that it's a Euro model?
post #155 of 330
Yes, that's what he's saying.
post #156 of 330
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Originally Posted by jdbimmer View Post

PIO50_A is ...

No more typing when I'm tired. I retconned my post and added some Elite sauce.
post #157 of 330
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Originally Posted by jdbimmer View Post

Same here - and PIO50 in Factory, FST returns S91 or "50 Pioneer model (for Europe and General)" per the manual.

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Originally Posted by jdbimmer View Post

PIO50_A is NA, PIO50_J is Japan, and PIO50 is Euro/General.

Wow - Thanks jdbimmer! This really explained everything, made things crystal clear what ControlCAL does.
post #158 of 330
Thanks xsiv4ce for your hard work and your broadmind to give it to us free.

I have a question.

I have skipped this step 8 during the process, and went to step 9 directly.

8. Make adjustments to your settings and the 9 point gamma.
- I am using the raw values in the up/down controls and most of they are different depending on whether or not you are in ISF mode.. In ISF mode, for most of the settings, the value 128 means zero.. In the non ISF modes, for most of them zero is mapped to 30 - this is just the way the TV works and I decided not to hide it - but maybe if I continue working on this I will change it later..

Does this .xml file has all the settings mentioned in the step 8?

In these ISF settings, how will, the film mode work, what frequency 72 hz or 60 hz it selects(advance, smooth, standard mode)?



Thanks,
sam
post #159 of 330
Thread Starter 
I uploaded a new version of the program which adds serial port control (it will not work with IFS modes yet though)..
also some other changes:

fixed gamma setting
added code to sync calibrator info text box
change default OSD state to ON after connecting
added intelligent mode setting
post #160 of 330
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SAM1233 View Post

Thanks xsiv4ce for your hard work and your broadmind to give it to us free.

I have a question.

I have skipped this step 8 during the process, and went to step 9 directly.

8. Make adjustments to your settings and the 9 point gamma.
- I am using the raw values in the up/down controls and most of they are different depending on whether or not you are in ISF mode.. In ISF mode, for most of the settings, the value 128 means zero.. In the non ISF modes, for most of them zero is mapped to 30 - this is just the way the TV works and I decided not to hide it - but maybe if I continue working on this I will change it later..

Does this .xml file has all the settings mentioned in the step 8?

In these ISF settings, how will, the film mode work, what frequency 72 hz or 60 hz it selects(advance, smooth, standard mode)?



Thanks,
sam


yes the xml file should have all of the settings that the program got from the session except for "intelligent mode" which I missed the first time around and just added in a new version of the program..

I think the film mode works the same way in ISF modes as it does in the other modes, but maybe someone else here knows better.
post #161 of 330
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Originally Posted by SAM1233 View Post

In these ISF settings, how will, the film mode work ...


All the picture controls have the same functions in ISFccc modes but they can only be changed during ISFccc configuration. All the picture controls are locked when you exit ISFccc setup mode.
post #162 of 330
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

All the picture controls have the same functions in ISFccc modes but they can only be changed during ISFccc configuration. All the picture controls are locked when you exit ISFccc setup mode.

Thanks, but how does it choose whether it is Advance mode or standard mode, would it auto detect based on the content(for bluray 24p, 72 hz, dvd standard etc., ), since ISF mode is locked.
post #163 of 330
My understanding is Advanced mode should do that automatically on its own.
post #164 of 330
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Originally Posted by SAM1233 View Post

Thanks, but how does it choose whether it is Advance mode or standard mode, would it auto detect based on the content(for bluray 24p, 72 hz, dvd standard etc., ), since ISF mode is locked.

The TV doesn't choose the Film Mode based on content, you choose it while configuring ISF settings through KuroControl. So if you set ISFDay Film Mode to Standard, everything shown on ISFDay will fall under Standard's parameters. Once KuroControl is exited, very little about the ISF modes can be changed through the normal TV menu.
post #165 of 330
i see the settings in the xml file:

0

Does it mean film mode is 0 all the time irrespective of the content. If we want to change, again, we have to connect kurocontrol and change the mode and exit isf?

So for bluray 24p contents, we have to go to this isf settings by kurocontrol and change it every time.(if we switch back between different contents)

Sorry for my dumb question.
post #166 of 330
Advanced only enables features as needed so you can safely leave it enabled all the time.
post #167 of 330
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Originally Posted by dlplover View Post

Advanced only enables features as needed so you can safely leave it enabled all the time.

Some have found advanced causes some undesireable results with other than 1080 24p resolutions. I believe standard will engage 72hz when recieving 1080 24p and not cause any undesireable effects with other resolutions.

Barry
post #168 of 330
0 means film mode off.

So would 1 for standard, give better results? I dont know whether it is reference setting.
post #169 of 330
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Originally Posted by SAM1233 View Post

0 is standard mode?

Since you're working at the control command level:

PUCS00 -- PURE CINEMA: OFF
PUCS01 -- PURE CINEMA: STANDARD
PUCS02 -- PURE CINEMA: ADVANCE
PUCS03 -- PURE CINEMA: SMOOTH

presumably fileMode:0 is PUC:0. The Integrator's manual has the commands and the Owner's manual hints at what the Pure Cinema modes do. PUC modes are also mentioned in the KRP FAQ.

Some people like easily selected choices. They are commonly implemented by using all three/four digital inputs and all three ISFccc modes. That gives you 9/12 different ISFccc setups. Of course if you can't readily switch your source among your Kuro inputs you're at a bit of a disadvantage.

By the way I suggest STANDARD but some folks recommend ADVANCE.
post #170 of 330
The current refresh rate can be read from the display by sending QPW from the KuroControl command box. You will see something similar to the following text in the status box:

QPW60VS1111352450850050050050016161602*10**00

Characters 4 through 7 (60VS above) indicate the refresh rate and video or PC mode. Possible values are:
50VS - 50Hz video (PAL)
60VS - 60Hz video
72VS - 72Hz video
60PS - 60Hz (input configured for PC)

Depending on your source and Pure Cinema setting, the results should agree with the measured readings here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3624
post #171 of 330
Thanks all for your responses.

Do I need to redo the steps with xsiv4ce's latest software, since the settings for intelligent mode is not there.(I had already did with his earlier kurocontrol)

isf-Auto depends on the intelligent mode?
post #172 of 330
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SAM1233 View Post

Thanks all for your responses.

Do I need to redo the steps with xsiv4ce's latest software, since the settings for intelligent mode is not there.(I had already did with his earlier kurocontrol)

isf-Auto depends on the intelligent mode?

no you don't need to redo it unless you want to enable intelligent mode - it should be off now..
post #173 of 330
This is a great piece of software. I have used it on a Euro 600M- it works great. We have no calibration service where I live- so diy is the way to go and Kurocontrol works great. Thank you to xsiv4ce for putting it together and then making it available.

Stephen
post #174 of 330
How to set sharpness to -15, using kurocontrol

In XML file i tried both 128 and 113, both set only to 0(read back using kuro reader, which says sharpness as zero)


Could you pls help me.

thanks
post #175 of 330
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Originally Posted by SAM1233 View Post

How to set sharpness to -15, using kurocontrol

In XML file i tried both 128 and 113, both set only to 0(read back using kuro reader, which says sharpness as zero)


Could you pls help me.

thanks

I had some trouble with this also. I found that using the Up and Down arrows works the best for Sharpness. Once I manually input something in the Sharpness field (e.g. 113), it doesn't seem to work (for me at least).

Also, make sure you're in "Start ISF" mode. I think 128 is only "0" in ISF mode.
post #176 of 330
Hi,

I'm french user and i have a kuro 5090H (european version) ; i'm testing this soft (network test) but i have the 4201 port problem "target machine..actively refused".
It seems no IP control ... Same problem with Kuroreader 2.0


Thx for help
post #177 of 330
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Originally Posted by xsiv4ce View Post

I uploaded a new version of the program which adds serial port control (it will not work with IFS modes yet though)..
also some other changes:

fixed gamma setting
added code to sync calibrator info text box
change default OSD state to ON after connecting
added intelligent mode setting

This is a neat program, thanks for sharing.
Could you please post a link to the new version?
Can someone also post a link to the service manual of the 500M/600M?
post #178 of 330
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Originally Posted by krp-500m View Post

Can someone also post a link to the service manual of the 500M/600M?

The link is in the first post.

Pioneer service manuals are not free. They can be purchased at the usual sources.
post #179 of 330
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

The link is in the first post.

Thank you, I missed the detail that the attachment was updated, should have read more carefully.

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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Pioneer service manuals are not free. They can be purchased at the usual sources.

Thanks again, I did not know that.
When I have some time, I intend to write a similar utility for Mac OS X and the manual would be helpful. But xsiv4ce's Program does display the command for each control and that should be plenty for a start -- assuming of course I have xsiv4ce's permission.
post #180 of 330
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by galthor View Post

Hi,

I'm french user and i have a kuro 5090H (european version) ; i'm testing this soft (network test) but i have the 4201 port problem "target machine..actively refused".
It seems no IP control ... Same problem with Kuroreader 2.0


Thx for help

I don't know what the specs are for this model, but does the 5090H support IP control? can you ping it? maybe it connects on a different port?
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