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post #151 of 325
I'm thinking about buying my first blu-ray player. Should I expect to see a significant improvement in picture quality over an upscaled DVD on the 42PJ350? Since it's 720p, "only" 42 inches, and I sit a little farther away than recommended (about 10 feet or more), I'm wondering whether the improvement will be so small that I should just stick with upscaled DVDs for now.

Thanks!
post #152 of 325
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Originally Posted by conquistador View Post

I'm thinking about buying my first blu-ray player. Should I expect to see a significant improvement in picture quality over an upscaled DVD on the 42PJ350? Since it's 720p, "only" 42 inches, and I sit a little farther away than recommended (about 10 feet or more), I'm wondering whether the improvement will be so small that I should just stick with upscaled DVDs for now.

Thanks!

From about 10 feet, it will be really hard to see an improvement from a DVD to a BD on a 42" display.

BTW, just in case you don't know, when you have a 42" display like these PJ (or the previous PQ and PG series), you will always get the best picture quality by playing a DVD without an upscaling. Use the 576p video mode from the DVD/BD player is the right way to go. You should use the 1080p/24 video mode only for playing BD (or other kind of 1080i/p native video files).

I suggest you to start to buy now BD instead of DVD if you are planning to buy a full-HD display (big) in the future, but only for that.
post #153 of 325
lg is better
post #154 of 325
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Originally Posted by Mauri View Post

Good news for you: I have read a review of the samsung, but I'm not 100% sure it was about the C450. You will find it on the avforums.com reviews section ...

...Another important thing is that it looks like the black level (MML), unfortunately, this year is not so great on samsung(s). Read that review on avforums. On the LGs PJ, in a german forum it has been reported they have the same (more or less) good performances of the PK550, which is about 0.045 cm/mq (average).

Hope that help

Thank You again! You are very helpful!
And yes, you are right! The good picture quality is much more important than the low consumption. So I'd choose the LG instead of Samsung. But! Today the Panasonic TX-P42X20 is in the same price as well!
So What do you think, which the better choice is? LG or Pana?
post #155 of 325
The panasonic X20 is the last one on my list. Video-processing not as good as on samsung and LG. Poor calibration settings available, and poor power saving management. Green ghosting as in the past. Even the black level is not good.. worse than the previous X10 model. So, why buy a panasonic this year?

Read the 42X20 review on flatpanelsHD.com

ps. wait a moment, do some searchs around, and you will find soon some better prices for the LGs. Usually it works in that way
post #156 of 325
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Originally Posted by conquistador View Post

I'm thinking about buying my first blu-ray player. Should I expect to see a significant improvement in picture quality over an upscaled DVD on the 42PJ350? Since it's 720p, "only" 42 inches, and I sit a little farther away than recommended (about 10 feet or more), I'm wondering whether the improvement will be so small that I should just stick with upscaled DVDs for now.

Thanks!

I would consider an investment in a blu ray player. While the difference will not be massive on good transfer dvds, I think you will see a difference even at 10ft. More importantly, the price of a bd player is very affordable these days and you can find a reasonably featured bdp with streaming for under $150 with a little searching.
post #157 of 325
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Originally Posted by C E Jones View Post

Thanks for the very informative comparison, Winston. I'm leaning towards the 350 and you've put to rest my last lingering thoughts of getting a Panasonic. (I'll take a Jetta over a Camry any day ) While you're doing comparisons, do you have any idea how the 350 compares to the 550? I'm trying to decide whether it would be worth spending an extra $200 for the 550. I don't really care about the 1080p as I'm one of those who can't really tell the difference. But I'm wondering whether there are big differences in black levels, color accuracy, and other PQ factors. I'm planning on getting a 50" TV if that matters.

get the 550 if you're going 50"
post #158 of 325
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Originally Posted by comiconline View Post

Sorry if i seem a little lost here, but is the lip sync issue on the 42PJ350 correctable? i read every post in this thread, and it seems like it is, if changed in the service menu. But i'm still a little lost in how to ACCESS that service menu. I'm not really concerned about an input lag, as far as game playing. In fact, it could be a 5 second lag for all i care, so long as the audio/video sync up correctly when watching through HDMI (the only input i use). Any help explaining what to do to someone who's a little daft when it comes to doing this would be greatly appreciated.

Oh, and yes, i do actually own the 42PJ350, and notice the audio/video syn problem through HDMI, and want it corrected. If can't be, i may return it in favor of the Samsung 430, available on Amazon. Thanks.

Paul

give us some more info - what's the source component?
post #159 of 325
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Originally Posted by Darcy1104 View Post

Let me preface my comment by noting that I am not an AVS type videophile; I do not buy a few hundred dollars worth of electronics to measure black levels and I do not calculate the number of pixels my set has so I can sit a specific distance from it.

Last night I spent some time watching my two HDMI sources looking for the problem.

DVD player - no problem whatsoever.

Cable box - on some channels, some of the time, I think I noticed a very subtle effect as you describe.

What I may have noticed is so insignificant I cannot see people describing this as a known problem they believe is common to all LG plasmas. If this were there most of the time and truly noticeable it would drive me nuts. Okay, nuttier than I already am.

And unlike your mom, I can see the difference between Blu-ray and DVD easily and am currently saving up for the Oppo model 80 so I can enjoy that difference.

I hope someone will post how to fix your problem as it must be terribly frustrating to deal with, but trust me, this is not a universal problem with LG plasmas. Good luck.

what are the audio settings on your cable box? turn hdmi cec off
post #160 of 325
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

More importantly, the price of a bd player is very affordable these days and you can find a reasonably featured bdp with streaming for under $150 with a little searching.

I agree with that

Some weeks ago I bought a sony BDP-S370 and I'm very happy with it. A lot of features and a cheap price. Can't see any difference on my 720p LG (PG6000 series) when compared with my old Oppo DVD-971H when playing DVDs. The sony (IMO) is doing a very good deinterlacing, like the Oppo.

I heard around the new cheap samsung(s) are also good. Do you know something about them? Did you test them? Thanks
post #161 of 325
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

get the 550 if you're going 50"

What, other than 1080p, does the 550 have over the 350 at 50"? I've heard the black levels on the 350 are as good as on the 550, and both have 24p. So what's the incentive to go 550? In fact, the 350 may have an edge in SD, and although I have BD I also watch a lot of SD material as well.
post #162 of 325
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Originally Posted by C E Jones View Post

What, other than 1080p, does the 550 have over the 350 at 50"? I've heard the black levels on the 350 are as good as on the 550, and both have 24p. So what's the incentive to go 550? In fact, the 350 may have an edge in SD, and although I have BD I also watch a lot of SD material as well.

FWIW, I've seen the 50PK550 and 50PJ350 side-by-side at Sears, and I could not detect any difference in black level. I could, however, see the difference in resolution from ~7 feet. Nevertheless, I broke down and bought the Zenith Z50PJ240 today. I think it is basically just a rebadge of the 50PJ350, but my local store does not have the Zeniths on display, so I haven't seen them next to the LGs. I had considered buying a far more expensive TV, but this thing is so cheap, I just couldn't resist. Anyway, I don't have much to say about the TV right now, having only spent a couple hours with it. I will say that it was a bargain and that I will not be returning it, but there is no denying that the black level could be much better. Oh, and don't count on the 720p models handling SD better. SD on this TV is nothing special, and I really doubt that it would be noticeably better or worse on the 550.
post #163 of 325
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

what are the audio settings on your cable box? turn hdmi cec off

Motorola 3416 (IIRC) straight to the plasma, no receiver or anything else in that loop. Not at home now but I do not recall any specific audio settings in the menu; if there are any I most likely have chosen the default, whatever they would have been.
post #164 of 325
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Originally Posted by Mauri View Post

From about 10 feet, it will be really hard to see an improvement from a DVD to a BD on a 42" display.

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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

While the difference will not be massive on good transfer dvds, I think you will see a difference even at 10ft.

As one data point, I can see a difference between a DVD and an HD channel from my cable box, although maybe the DVDs weren't good transfers. Would you expect the difference between DVD and Blu-ray to be similar to the difference between DVD and HD cable? If so, I think it would be worth it to me to move to Blu-ray.

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Originally Posted by Mauri View Post

BTW, just in case you don't know, when you have a 42" display like these PJ (or the previous PQ and PG series), you will always get the best picture quality by playing a DVD without an upscaling. Use the 576p video mode from the DVD/BD player is the right way to go. You should use the 1080p/24 video mode only for playing BD (or other kind of 1080i/p native video files).

My DVD player (Sony DVP-NS710H/B) doesn't have a 576p mode, just 480p, 720p, and 1080p. I couldn't detect any differences between them. I guess this means the TV's scaler is as good as my DVD player's, or my eye just isn't sophisticated enough. I noticed only a minor improvement when comparing the upscaling player to my 8-year-old, non-upscaling, non-progressive DVD player.
post #165 of 325
Absolutely, I see a difference between upscaled DVD (Philips player) and blu-ray - on the same movie. Without a doubt...I watched Avatar the other night in blu ray on my 42pj350 and tossed in the DVD just to see the difference. Noticeable improvement in sharpness (at 9 feet) and color fidelity. The colors really were vastly improved on the blu ray material, almost like the HD material had more colors to work with. It was not a subtle or subjective difference. Hell, motion even looked cleaner on the blu ray.

I was not working with a high end upsampling player - it is a $40 unit. My blu ray is a HTPC running TMT at 720p/24.
post #166 of 325
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for any folks in texas, conns has this tv on sale for $399 till tomorrow night i believe.
post #167 of 325
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Originally Posted by conquistador View Post

My DVD player (Sony DVP-NS710H/B) doesn't have a 576p mode, just 480p, 720p, and 1080p. I couldn't detect any differences between them. I guess this means the TV's scaler is as good as my DVD player's, or my eye just isn't sophisticated enough. I noticed only a minor improvement when comparing the upscaling player to my 8-year-old, non-upscaling, non-progressive DVD player.

I'm sorry, I forgot that most of you are living in U.S.

576p is the SD PAL standard we have in most countries of Europe. The equivalent SD in the U.S. (and not only) is the 480p, so you should use that one on these HD Ready displays.

Of course you will be never wrong by buying BDs instead of DVDs, but you will get the best results only with a 1080p display, and by watching it from the right viewing distance. Thinking in the long run, it is better to start to buy BDs, because I guess the next HDTV upgrade for many of us, in about 3-4 years, will be a full-HD display in any case.
post #168 of 325
Most of the posts in this thread tend to be on the 42pj350. Are there any owners of the 50pj350 who can speak about how it's working and whether there are any major problems? I'm close to buying the 50pj350 and the fact that so few people seem to be buying it is making me wonder whether it would be a good purchase. Since it only costs about $150 more than the 42" the much bigger screen size seems worth the price difference.
post #169 of 325
I myself pulled the trigger on the 50pj350 because fry's had a great deal and it was only 10 dollars more than the 42, no-brainer really. I am very satisfied with the tv although during the daytime I do get a lot of reflections off the screen and I do also notice a screen door like effect if I sit a little too close to it but I am normally about 10 to 15 feet away so not a big issue. The tv is pretty slim for a plasma and has quite a number of picture controls. I really have no regrets. I have a ps3, xbox, wii, pc, hd-dvd player, and antenna connected to it and have no problems with ir so far.
post #170 of 325
I was at Sear's earlier today to take a look at the LG 42PJ350 and it is a great set up. After toying around with it I had the blacks look almost as good, if not the same as, the Panasonic TC-P42C2 right next to it.

I ended up pulling the trigger on the 50PK550 in the end but the PJ350 series is truly great and competitive for the entry level plasma market.
post #171 of 325
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I have nothing but happy with this set. why the general public would spend $1k on a 120hz or 240hz led tv set when this is available for right at $500 is beyond me. highly recommend it if you can get passed: 1. lots of reflection; 2. the occassional dead pixel; 3. temporary image retention. excellent set nonetheless.
post #172 of 325
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Originally Posted by Mauri View Post

Read carefully my posts on this page:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...235720&page=30

you will know some interesting things

Later I'll arrange a post with settings for day & night viewing, and some tips.

Mauri,
Did you post the settings ? Sorry if you did and I didn't see them. I just purchased this TV and I really need some help with these picture adjustments.
Thanks
post #173 of 325
So would people recommend this as a gaming tv? I'm not a big competitive online player, so mostly I'd be playing singleplayer stuff. This is the only reason I'll be using the tv---gaming only.

Frankly, the price is the only reason I'm looking at the tv. For 720p sets, it's up against the Samsung 42c450, which is about $40-50 more.
post #174 of 325
can anybody tell me what should be the setting during the break-in period??
and calibrated setting after break-in period is over??
post #175 of 325
Thanks greenland, but no words on settings during break-in period.im still in my break in period,will check out the settings you posted once the break-in period is over.
by the way what IRE does??
post #176 of 325
I just got mine today. I have the 50pj350R model. Note the R. I have to say that Im a little dissapointed with the set. I have no issf expert settings in the menu, it appears that this model also doesnt have an ATSC tuner... anyone else have the R model?? Does anyone know if I can enable ATSC and ISFF in the service menu? and if so, how do I get into the service menu? thanks!
post #177 of 325
returned mine to the store today, couldnt stand that this model didnt have a built in ATSC Tuner, Issf Modes and mostly... the black levels on this thing were a COMPLETE JOKE!! got a Sammy 50c430 and couldnt be happier, ATSC tuner, settings galore and pretty decent black levels. I for one, DONT RECOMMEND the LG 50PJ350 plasma!
post #178 of 325
I would not trust the recommendations of anyone who purchased a model that did not have a tuner, or ISF expert setting modes, because he did not do his homework, and read the specs on the model he bought, before ordering it.
post #179 of 325
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

I would not trust the recommendations of anyone who purchased a model that did not have a tuner, or ISF expert setting modes, because he did not do his homework, and read the specs on the model he bought, before ordering it.

If you trust me or dont trust me, I really couldnt care less. Lg´s webpages are a mess, on my country´s webpage, it clearly stated that the model did have isf settings and atsc tuner, when I brought it home it had neither. As someone before me pointed out, its really not fair that we pay the same exact price as other regions and get less for our money. But features aside, really the black levels on this model (xxpj350) are really terrible to put it lightly, they are light-to dark grey ath the most. This was my 3rd plasma purchase, having owned a Panny and Sammy before. I really liked the looks of the set, but its perfomance was really dissapointing. Also, the lag was really terrible too. Just my honest opinion, I dont gain nothing by recomending panny/sammy over Lg.
post #180 of 325
How would you know how the black levels are, since you did not ever own a unit with a complete CMS, and ISF suite.

This thread is dedicated to the US models that have those features, and not some model that you purchased in South America.

You made a careless shopping mistake, and did not first do your homework. It has nothing to do with the merits of the models that this thread is dedicated to.

Good luck with your new TV.
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