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post #61 of 7870
4/7/10 at 2:03pm
well thats why i am waiting for the 8000

it appears that the 7000 doesn't have the "real black filter" and the 8000 does. Hopfully

and if they both do then well i guess black levels aren't as good as I hoped
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post #62 of 7870
4/7/10 at 3:53pm
I don't think a filter would affect its measured black level anyway?
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post #63 of 7870
4/7/10 at 3:55pm
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I don't think a filter would affect its measured black level anyway?

Correct.
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post #64 of 7870
4/7/10 at 4:12pm
Doesn't "real black filter" just mean that Samsung "painted" black as much of the area surrounding each pixel? I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a bad thing.

You know the plasma manufacturers have hit a brick wall in reducing pre-discharge light when they have to resort to painting the screen black.
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post #65 of 7870
4/7/10 at 4:14pm
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I don't think a filter would affect its measured black level anyway?

Correct. An AR filter doesn't affect idle luminance. Of course, it doesn't hurt to have a heavy, dark filter in addition to low MLL like Pioneer. But on its own it doesn't do much good outside of a bright room.
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post #66 of 7870
4/7/10 at 4:22pm
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Last year the 550,560 almost tested the exact same as the 850,860. There was a huge gap in price and thinness, but that was it.

--The 7000 is about 1" thick and very sleek
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post #67 of 7870
4/7/10 at 4:34pm
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Last year the 550,560 almost tested the exact same as the 850,860. There was a huge gap in price and thinness, but that was it.

--The 7000 is about 1" thick and very sleek

Does the same hold true this year?
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post #68 of 7870
4/7/10 at 4:52pm
Jesus so far from what I read things are looking really good for the C7000 then... I'm getting really excited for my TV! DEF dont regret canceling the G25 and shelling out the extra $$$ I have to wait a tiny bit longer then I thought but I know it'll be worth it
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post #69 of 7870
4/7/10 at 5:39pm
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Last year the 550,560 almost tested the exact same as the 850,860. There was a huge gap in price and thinness, but that was it.

--The 7000 is about 1" thick and very sleek

i actually saw that when cnet reviewed the 650 they saw better black levels than on the 850
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post #70 of 7870
4/7/10 at 5:53pm
Isn't the Real Black Filter on the Samsung plasmas kind of like tinted your windows on your car, so it should make a difference in terms of black level right? Doesn't the 7000 series has the it like the 8000 series? I believe the only difference is that the 8000 has a isf-day and night mode. Correct me if I'm wrong guys.
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post #71 of 7870
4/7/10 at 5:59pm
i still think the c7000 has the real black filter since when i saw it at the store, it showed no glare whatsoever plus the samsung website still lists the real black filter on the c7000 page unlike cinema smooth which was taken out from the page
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post #72 of 7870
4/7/10 at 6:21pm
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i still think the c7000 has the real black filter since when i saw it at the store, it showed no glare whatsoever plus the samsung website still lists the real black filter on the c7000 page unlike cinema smooth which was taken out from the page

That's what I thought. So this years sets do do a better job at reducing glare and reflections. Kudos to Samsung. Just check the 7000 manual, no Cinema Smooth either.
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post #73 of 7870
4/7/10 at 6:29pm
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Jesus so far from what I read things are looking really good for the C7000 then... I'm getting really excited for my TV! DEF dont regret canceling the G25 and shelling out the extra $$$ I have to wait a tiny bit longer then I thought but I know it'll be worth it

You'll want to watch everything in 2D to 3D conversion, I do. The picture is simplly more life like. It really is like looking through a window. It's funny though, sports aren't that much different because the camera is so far back. I don't think ESPN's 3D sports channel is going to be that good. I assume you bought the 3D BR player and got the 3D starter pack for free. If not, get it!
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post #74 of 7870
4/7/10 at 6:38pm
You guys, forget about the nuances of the PQ. The picture on the 7000 plasma is great and the 3D conversion is killer. Any set that doesn't have it is severely lacking. The 8000 and up "may" (I doubt it) have slightly better PQ but the 3D is where it is at.
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post #75 of 7870
4/7/10 at 6:53pm
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the 3D is where it is at.

I am waiting for home Smellovision.
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post #76 of 7870
4/7/10 at 7:11pm
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You'll want to watch everything in 2D to 3D conversion, I do. The picture is simplly more life like. It really is like looking through a window. It's funny though, sports aren't that much different because the camera is so far back. I don't think ESPN's 3D sports channel is going to be that good. I assume you bought the 3D BR player and got the 3D starter pack for free. If not, get it!

and have to have glasses on whenever im watching tv? no thanks
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post #77 of 7870
4/7/10 at 7:46pm
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Worse blacks than an LG! lol Samsung must really be slacking.
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post #78 of 7870
4/7/10 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post

You'll want to watch everything in 2D to 3D conversion, I do. The picture is simplly more life like. It really is like looking through a window. It's funny though, sports aren't that much different because the camera is so far back. I don't think ESPN's 3D sports channel is going to be that good. I assume you bought the 3D BR player and got the 3D starter pack for free. If not, get it!

does the 3d show any ghosting like the leds do?
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post #79 of 7870
4/7/10 at 8:08pm
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Worse blacks than an LG! lol Samsung must really be slacking.

LG is stepping it up.
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post #80 of 7870
4/7/10 at 8:38pm
We went to BB in Lexington to buy the Panasonic 50" G20, but after looking at the Panasonic 50" VT20 3D demo at the Magnolia Store, my whole Family is convinced we should a 3D TV. My wife agreed to increase our TV budget from a max of $1500 to $2000, so the 50" VT25 is out our range (also I believe it is not worth extra $500 over the Samsung). So we are now in the market for the PN50C7000, we hope to see a demo of it in BB soon, before we order online from Cleveland Plasma or Crutchfield.

A few questions for the experts...
Does this TV come with atleast one 3D glass included?
Do you think in the coming months, 3rd party manufacturers will start selling replacement 3D glasses for Samsung? ($150 for a 3D glass is ridiculous, $1800 for the TV and $600 for 4 glasses, come on!!! sounds like a rip off.)
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post #81 of 7870
4/7/10 at 8:39pm
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does the 3d show any ghosting like the leds do?

No, not on conversion. Haven't watched BD yet but there was a firmware upgrade to address that.
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post #82 of 7870
4/7/10 at 8:46pm
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We went to BB in Lexington to buy the Panasonic 50" G20, but after looking at the Panasonic 50" VT20 3D demo at the Magnolia Store, my whole Family is convinced we should a 3D TV. My wife agreed to increase our TV budget from a max of $1500 to $2000, so the 50" VT25 is out our range (also I believe it is not worth extra $500 over the Samsung). So we are now in the market for the PN50C7000, we hope to see a demo of it in BB soon, before we order online from Cleveland Plasma or Crutchfield.

A few questions for the experts...
Does this TV come with atleast one 3D glass included?
Do you think in the coming months, 3rd party manufacturers will start selling replacement 3D glasses for Samsung? ($150 for a 3D glass is ridiculous, $1800 for the TV and $600 for 4 glasses, come on!!! sounds like a rip off.)

When you buy a 3D BD player with it, you get a 3D starter kit with 2 pairs of glasses and M vs A 3D movie for free. Be forewarned, my wife and son are not taken with the 3D so far.
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post #83 of 7870
4/7/10 at 9:07pm
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Do you think in the coming months, 3rd party manufacturers will start selling replacement 3D glasses for Samsung?

I hope so, or I hope the Manufacturers lower their prices. We have the glasses marked up so we make a whole $15 per pair.
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post #84 of 7870
4/7/10 at 11:34pm
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Originally Posted by pdpresearch View Post

We went to BB in Lexington to buy the Panasonic 50" G20, but after looking at the Panasonic 50" VT20 3D demo at the Magnolia Store, my whole Family is convinced we should a 3D TV. My wife agreed to increase our TV budget from a max of $1500 to $2000, so the 50" VT25 is out our range (also I believe it is not worth extra $500 over the Samsung). So we are now in the market for the PN50C7000, we hope to see a demo of it in BB soon, before we order online from Cleveland Plasma or Crutchfield.

A few questions for the experts...
Does this TV come with atleast one 3D glass included?
Do you think in the coming months, 3rd party manufacturers will start selling replacement 3D glasses for Samsung? ($150 for a 3D glass is ridiculous, $1800 for the TV and $600 for 4 glasses, come on!!! sounds like a rip off.)

If you have an Ultimate Electronics in your area, you can get the PN50C7000 with a 3D Blu-Ray player, 2 pairs of glasses, and Monsters Vs. Aliens for just under the MSRP of the TV. 8000 is about $250 more. Not sure whether you're including the accessories in the cost but it's a fantastic bargain and within your price range.
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post #85 of 7870
4/8/10 at 12:33am
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I hope so, or I hope the Manufacturers lower their prices. We have the glasses marked up so we make a whole $15 per pair.

hi, we all wait for the review. thanks
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post #86 of 7870
4/8/10 at 2:20am
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When you buy a 3D BD player with it, you get a 3D starter kit with 2 pairs of glasses and M vs A 3D movie for free. Be forewarned, my wife and son are not taken with the 3D so far.

Bill, have you played a REAL 3D movie for your wife and son yet, or are you referring to their not being taken with the 2D to 3D conversion?
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post #87 of 7870
4/8/10 at 2:46am
Quite a turnaround from last year - LG had worst blacks then, now they seem to have the best at around 0.013ftl (after Pana doubling, let alone tripling!). Shame they're such mirrors though, the better Samsungs and Panasonics seem to be way ahead on that score.
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post #88 of 7870
4/8/10 at 6:02am
Samsung have been releasing firmware updates for thier plasma c7000, improving the 3d picture quality, not sure if anyone has noticed any difference or not...

see link

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/t...il&tab=support
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post #89 of 7870
4/8/10 at 6:18am
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Quite a turnaround from last year - LG had worst blacks then, now they seem to have the best at around 0.013ftl (after Pana doubling, let alone tripling!). Shame they're such mirrors though, the better Samsungs and Panasonics seem to be way ahead on that score.

Even if the Samsung has the worst, they will still be excellent. As long as they don't buzz.
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post #90 of 7870
4/8/10 at 8:10am
Still no word of 42" or 46" of these plasmas?

I hate this size-hysteria that pretty soon wont give me the option to have a high performance plasma that fits my livingroom.


Thank god LG has the 42PJ650.
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