The Official Samsung PNxxC6500, PNxxC7000, and PNxxC8000 Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 31

to answer an earlier question about the blacks on my c8000 I think they look great. Having said that I'm more concerned about the 3D performance and behavior with the Samsungs. I picked up the Panasonic 3d BR player earlier with the dual hdmi outputs...hooked it up and it works great with the C8000.

The issue is how damn bright grey the bars are in 3D mode. I'm well aware the screen adjusts for 3D and for the glasses, but after watching the same Panny demo that comes with the player inside BB on a VT20 and then watching on the C8000, the effects are different. It doesn't look horrible by any means, but the bars on M V A are annoying and any movie will look that way I would imagine. I haven't found a way to darken them up in 3D mode without killing the picture.

My concern is if the VT20 has a stronger 3D affect, what will the VT25 look like? Maybe I'm just playing devlis advocate, I need more people to comment on the actual 3D comparisons and performance. I'm happy with the 2D picture (minus the buzz at very low volumes).

My wife, too, is over all of the HDTV talk, as I've been researching my home theater purchase for months! Actually, I believe all of the talk paid off... I think it distracted her and prevented her from asking about the cash I was spending on the other components that i've been purchasing along the way.

From everything i have seen about the vt20 and vt25, The only difference between the two is, VT25 comes with ISFccc tools and RS232c input. Other then that they are the Exact same spec wise. So I dont think there will be any difference with the out of the box picture on a VT25 then what you see right now on a VT20. Unless they in the time between releases of the two, have fixed issues and put them in the VT25, Picture wise, what you see on the VT20, is what you will get with the VT25.

Everyone my PN50C6500 will be here by Friday. Video and photos will be uploaded. I am hoping that the 2D PQ is up to snuff with her.

very interested to hear if it has the Apps feature, which the website says is absent on the 6500, but present on the 6400.

Hi all,

Today, my PN58C7000 arrived. I got it along with the 3d player and glasses. I'm happy to answer any questions about it and test things out for you.

So I think I have a fluke set. It seems to be stuck in the Auto Motion Plus mode (which is odd, because it doesn't have this feature). In this mode, it looks like a Soap Opera in fast forward. To get it out of it, I have to enable the game mode and then disable it. After doing this, it's fixed.

I've had my PN58C6500 for about a week now and yes it has apps. Netflix works great, snappier than the apps I've seen on many blu ray players and great HD quality.

Not very many apps to speak of, but I was surprised by the quality.

One slight problem, when entering an App, your TV seems to revert back to stock calibration settings which can't be adjusted. Makes watching Netflix movies in HD not as enjoyable as they could be, but it's hard to complain.

I got this TV a couple of weeks early through a defective PN50B850 exchange with Samsung. If anyone has any more questions about it ask away.

Are you guys considering that maybe, just maybe, the setups on stores (huge lights, really bright environment) are the WORST places to judge all plasma's black levels? Im a salesman at big company in finland, and plasmas, no matter if its a kuro or pana or samsung, are really hard to sell because every one of them seems so crappy next to LED littet tv's.

How would you describe the black level? Inky, dark gray, etc

Also, how are the colors, glare, image retention, and standard definition performance?

I'd also like to know this

I'm considering a 50c6400 or a lg pk550... I haven't been able to find any info on the c6400 though('d assume it's the same as the c6500 with maybe 1 or 2 minor differences)

I hope the measurements are lower than the pnxxc7000, not to mention that the black levels doesn't change overtime, hahaha.

I'm an owner of a B550 that was a replacement for a defective A650 plasma. A friend of mine recently decided to buy a C7000 plasma from Sears so I decided to take the Fight Club bluray over his place to watch because its one of our all time favorites. He seemed very happy with his new set so I didnt express any of my negative observations to him. I have negative feelings about the C7000 because I was expecting to see something different or improved from my B550 model. I noticed right away that the C7000 has the same exact mediocre blacks that my B550 has. It even has the buzzing noise too. All Samsung did was take the B850, change the bezel, add 3D, and advertise higher contrast ratios so they could sell at a high MSRP again. Samsung neglects their plasmas big time.

BTW, if you guys think Avatar looks good on bluray, Sin City will blow your mind.

You didnt express your negative feelings to your friend ?
i wonder way ? maybe your just jealous he got the 3d plasma and you still stuck with your B550

If it was a true feeling and hes your friend and that feeling afect PQ and we can t acept this .. you should have told him , there is always a way of talking without hurting .... if it was that bad ... you should talk to him and think about return policy - afterwall it is your friend !

Maybe you just want to keep on going to your friends house to watch something in 3d , world cup maybe ? Lol

Not so grey right now ?

If this is a friend imagine if he was the enemy !

Hi could you post your thoughts on the 3d performance compared to led's? also are you seeing the grey bars instead on black in 3d mode? thanks alot.

Sweet. Samsung's marketers have gone insane with all the different network TV names. Is this what you are getting, It seems powerful. Shows vudu, for instance:
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tv/APPS.html

Also - can you tell if there are issues (black levels rise or flicker) when Cinema Smooth is on?

Black level performance is pretty good, depending on your content. It is a very inky/wet looking black. Dark grey's could be a little better.

When watching certain content like Space Odyssey on Blu-Ray the blacks could have been better, but other content like BattleStar Galactica looks fantastic.

Colors are very good, rich and bright.

Glare is crazy, this thing is best viewed in a dark room or at night.

Since I only use this puppy with an HTPC, image burn ins are a constant battle. About 10 minutes with the bar wipe method and it is good as new.

Standard Def performance is OK i guess. I watch alot of simpsons on the thing and it is definitely watchable.

Only difference I can tel from the 6400 to the 6500 is thickness. Sounds like the same difference between last years PN50B650 and the PN50B850. Where they were the same panel but the 850 was much thinner. This actually worked out to be a disadvantage as the 650 got slightly higher performance reviews. Maybe this is still the case...

I can tell you now that I don't have nearly as many apps as that commercial. There are probably about 10-15 currently available to me including: Pandora, Netflix, Youtube, and Vudu.

As for Cinema Smooth, I don't think this TV has this feature. I wish it did since the TV it replaced did have this feature. Oh well.

Just got my PN50C8000...no buzz, great picture!

Great to hear! Can you tell us how the 3D is? Is there any ghosting?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1242723

The thread above tells you how to change your PNXXC7000 into a PNXXC8000 to allow control of "Motion Judder Canceler" and "Cinema Smooth". Please read all of the warnings before attempting this. I have done it, but I'm not recommending or condoning it.

I like the Judder Canceler on certain TV shows. It sucks for other content. When I have it on, my guests comment that it is like watching people through a window, which can be disconcerting.

Cinema Smooth seems to make the picture a tiny bit brighter, but it is very hard to tell. I may take some measurements in black areas with it on and off to see. It is certainly not the offensive change that occurred on the 2009 Samsung plasmas.

It has nothing at all to do with jealousy. I'll be buying a new TV this year and I already have my mind set on one that isnt 3D. My friend is not the enthusiast that I am and he bought his set based off of the fact that he likes the one I have. Considering that hes perfectly happy with what he has, and that he already has it mounted to the wall, I felt that it would have been ruining things for him to start bashing his new toy. Besides, the C7000 is still the cheapest 3D 50" you can buy.

You completely ignored the point I was trying to make. A few calibrators have already pointed out that the new Sammy plasmas have the same contrast that the B models do. AND THEY STILL BUZZ! I was able to confirm this by viewing a C7000 in a home environment and I just find it to be unacceptable. This isnt the first time Samsung has done this with their plasmas. The PNxxA650 from 2008 was reported to be pretty much the exact same thing as their HPTxx84 models from 2007. Now it appears as if they did the same going from B to C models. They skipped their R&D department and sent old panels in to have a different bezel designed for them, and then they released them to the public with higher prices again. They even advertise a higher contrast ratio which is just bs. Even though I consider the prices to be decent, its Samsung's contempt for the consumer that just rubs me the wrong way. Anyone who has been a member of this forum for long enough already knows that Samsung has crappy customer service and quality control.

Now that the Kuro is dead, Panasonics are rigged to lose contrast, and Samsung neglects their plasma technology, it just seems as if plasma technology itself no longer has an edge over lcd outside of viewing angles. 2010 has been a disappointment in the world of flat panels for the most part.

@ BillyWitchDr925:

I just returned by 50b860 because I could not take the buzzing at 12ft. As a former b850 owner, I wanted to see if you could make any comparisons between the two sets (particularly if you also experienced buzzing issues on your b850).


@Tony6225
As a plasma enthusiest not yet looking to adopt 3D, I can echo your dissapointment with the 2010 offerings thusfar. (Though I don't agree with describing 2010 Sammy's as merely 09 panels with new bezels.)

I also agree with your decision to not point out the flaws in your friends panel. Doing so could really erode his enjoyment with a product he'd otherwise be thrilled with. Also never send him to this site!

has anybody taken measurements of the black levels on the c8000?

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/t...ype=prd_detail

The samsung's uk website clearly says that there is this real black filter in C7000.. So whats the game here.. Is it, or is it not?

UK versions are not the same as US versions

Ha. Looks like Samsung updated their table today to show that both 6500 and 6400 have Apps.

No Cinema Smooth at all? That is bizarre, since the B650s had it. It is listed as a feature on the Abt spec sheet (for whatever that is worth). Maybe it is renamed in the menu from your B850?

The B550 and the C550 have the SAME bezel. So I see what youre saying

So then there's a change that our skandinavian version could have that.. we got these datacheets to our shop, and they're saying that rbf is included.. Besides, samsung decided not to include C8000 to skandinavian market. So C7000 is everything we get.. My hopes got just up!

A review of the PN50C8000 from "N. Wheeler" on Amazon:

I love this TV. It has great black levels without losing details. Seriously the blacks get as dark as the bezel in a darkened room. Great color accuracy. Handles motion like a champ even converting 2D to 3D. Menus are very responsive and even the widgets are snappy. Samsung Apps/Netflix works great too. I am really having fun with the 2D to 3D conversion watching sports and playing video games. I watched Avatar the other night, and even though it wasn't released on 3D Blu ray, the built in converter made it look great. I was nervous about Burn In/ Image Retention, but so far watching 2.39:1 movies hasn't caused any issues that don't take care of themselves switching video sources. I need to say that there is a buzz sound, but its pretty quiet. Can't hear it at all with any audible tv volume. My only major beef with this set is the Audio Return Channel and Optical Out only send 2 channel (stereo) audio unless its source is broadcast. So, my PS3 and cable box will only play dolby directly through my receiver - which in my opinion makes ARC pointless. I hope they change that in an upcoming firmware patch. This TV replaced a UN55B8000 because I was unhappy with its blacks losing details,motion blur, flashlight effect, and sluggish menus and widgets. I experience none of these problems with this new set. I couldn't be happier.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN50C8...2479065&sr=1-2