3d Blu ray Players w/ DLP

Joel:

I just looked through the 6900's User Manual. I found nothing that would lead me to believe you can change the 3D format output on this player to Checkerboard.

When looking at the LED 7000 3DTV, I did see under 3D Mode - a bunch of different selections, but they have some caveats attached to them:

“Side by Side” and “Top & Bottom” are available
when the resolution is 720p, 1080i and 1080p in
DTV, HDMI and USB mode or when set to PC
and the PC is connected through an HDMI/DVI
cable.

✎✎ “Vertical Strip”, “Line by Line” and “Checker
Board” are available when the resolution is set to
PC and the PC is connected through an HDMI/
DVI cable.

✎✎ “Frequency” displays the frequency (60Hz only)
when the resolution is set to PC.

I don't agree with your take on the meaning of "Display Agnostic". The "display agnositic" statement about 3D sources, such as BD players, means the source will put out at least one of the mandatory 3D formats defined by the HDMI 1.4a spec. while the comformant 3D displays must then be able to accept any and all of the 3D formats declared as mandatory by the HDMI 1.4a spec. Thus the burden is on the 3D display and not the source to support multiple 3D formats. As a result no Blu-ray 3D player is required to support the checkerboard 3D format but if a given manufacture wants to include it along with the required (by the Blu-ray 3D spec.) Frame Packing full resolution 1080p/24 format then that's their choice. Also I'm not saying you are wrong on what the Samsung player menus says, but I see no indication in the owner's manual for the Samsung Blu-ray 3D player that it supports the non-mandatory (i.e., not the required format as per the Blu-ray 3D spec.) checkerboard format. Perhaps Samsung has added optional support for the checkerboard format with their recent firmware update and that's why its not mentioned in the manual. However until someone really tests this option using the Samsung and Panasonic Blu-ray 3D players connected to a 3D ready Samsung or Mits DLP rear projection TV we cannot be certain it actually works.

thanks for update.please let us know if you manage to get one to work on our dlps.

+1

I agree. Perhaps a better term then display agnostic would have been implementation agnostic. 3D players and displays must both conform to the format specification, but it is up to the display how the 3D effect is ultimately implemented.

Already we have seen two different approaches taken by the Samsung LCD/LEDs (240Hz w/ black frame insertion) and the Panasonic and Samsung Plasmas (120Hz). I believe LG has announced plans for a micro-polarized LCD display. Once front projectors begin to emerge, I'm sure we'll see a wealth of new approaches taken.

Joel, checkerboard is not one of the mandatory 3D formats. According to the HDMI spec, the mandatory formats are:

For movie content:

• Frame Packing
  • 1080p @ 23.98/24Hz

For game content:

• Frame Packing
  • 720p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz

For broadcast content:

• Side-by-Side Horizontal
  • 1080i @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz
• Top-and-Bottom
  • 720p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz
  • 1080p @ 23.97/24Hz

Furthermore:

* Displays - must support all mandatory formats.
* Sources - must support at least one mandatory format.
* Repeaters - must be able to pass through all mandatory formats.


Source.


Since checkerboard is not one of the mandatory formats, there is no guarantee that a given BD3D player will support it, although it appears that the first wave of players do.

Just because a legacy DLP RPTVs is advertised as "3D-ready", doesn't necessarily mean that its "readiness" complies with what the BDA refers to as a "compatible 3-D display". In fact, they don't comply since they don't support "all mandatory formats" as detailed in the HDMI spec.

Remember that these "3D-ready" displays were on the market for years before the BD3D and HDMI 1.4 specs were finalized.

I think we are getting confused with the specifications that a 3D BR player must meet in order to have the copywrited BR 3D logo on it and the specificatons requred for a display or TV must have to earn HDMI 1.4 certification from the HDMI test lap. 3D BR players are not required provide output IAW with the HDMI 1.4(a) mandatory or optional
formats. AFAIK the only format that is required by both is the dual frame packed 1080p buffer 3D format.

Joel802:

I guess we owe you an apology. Very happy to see that you took the time and the effort to preform the test and that the test was successful.

Which shutter glasses and emitter did you bring with you?

Without the User Manual PDF, we are crawling around in the dark. Glad you set us straight.

Good job.

Wow! That's great news!! Did you try the Samsung 3D player as well?

Bravo nice work!!!!!

thanks a lot for taking the time to try it out.here is hoping the ps3 follows the same standards and we are on our way to enjoy 3d on the dlps.

I have a MITs, WD-65835 TV. If I get a 3D BR Player do I need 3d glasses with emitter that go with the player or 3d glasses with emitter that go with my TV?
Thanks for the help.
Daniel

You could use the XpanD X102 or ViewSonic DLP-Link glasses. Neither require an emitter. Just a question of finding them available.

Wow, this is awesome news for the DLP crowd. Once more 3D Blu Ray movies become available, then a purchase of the Panasonic player wouldn't be such a bad idea. I wonder if any of the players will have a special mode where it can output checkerboard at 1360 x 768 resolution for the people with the older 3D Ready Samsung plasmas? I doubt it, but you never know...

What is the battery life of those glasses? are they rechargeable?

THANKS !!!

Looks like 3D TV equipment will be readily available for the earlier Mits DLP's. We will just have to do a bit of "Homework" to insure we get the proper equipment.

Texas Instruments has 3D DLP info... including current updates.
T I's web site will be a good place to check on equipment compatability.

would appreciate any updates as you start using player and your xpand glasses with your tv.thanks

Joel, Does the Panasonic 3D BD player do 2D-3D conversion?

The store manager commented you said about being surprised he didn't notice the resolution "hit" as he had expected. How about you, being used to your Sammy? And lastly that mondo 82" Mitz apparently uses the same lamp as all the smaller sizes. Did you have any sense that it was not bright enough in 3D mode? That would bode well for smaller Mitz DLPs and probably the LED Sammy sets turned to High or Max on the LED light source, if normally watched on Med or lower.

Does the Panasonic 3d blu ray player have a demo disk or a movie with it? I believe I saw somewhere in the forum that they might be including Ice Age with it?

The BDT300 ($399) comes with a demo disc. Rumor has it the BDT350 ($449) - to be released sometime this month - will have Ice Age 3 (3D BD) in the box.

Well I gotta say that is at least nice that maybe there is a way for a DLP RPTV Customer to get a blu ray 3d movie without doing something stupid like I saw on ebay...... I saw a copy of MvA went for $156 and some change..... I want 3D also but that person needs to get control.

$156!

LOL - It would have been smarter to buy a Samsung 3D Starter kit for $349 which includes MvA, then sell off the glasses for $140 each and have the 3D BD cost you $69

This hobby has no control..

Lee I thought the same thing LOL and eddy your right but I am super excited about the 3D stuff and im not paying $156 dollars for a cartoon.....I can wait for MvA till it's no longer exclusive.