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post #601 of 1055
My wife is getting a new iPhone 4s. I plan on using her old 3G as a Squeezebox controller. Is the version of iPeng I run on the iPad the same (just sync the app over to the iPhone)?

On another note, I just discovered MOG. Holy &@*!, I'm never buying another CD again. 320kbps streaming and an almost limitless selection of albums (although a handfull of my obscure/independent label recordings aren't in the catalog). I was very surprised to see very recent releases like the new 2011 Pink Floyd remasters. I A/B'ed a bunch of tracks against my FLAC files (including some of my 24/96 rips) and couldn't tell the difference.
post #602 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

My wife is getting a new iPhone 4s. I plan on using her old 3G as a Squeezebox controller. Is the version of iPeng I run on the iPad the same (just sync the app over to the iPhone)?

Yes.
If you still use iOS 3 on the iPhone 3G make sure to get it somewhat soon since support for iOS 3 is going to be discontinued soon (see http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2011/10/...dbye-to-ios-3/). It will continue to work with the current server releases and until bigger changes are being introduced but there will be no more updates (until there are critical bugs showing up in the current release).

If the 3G is on iOS 4.2 (which is available for that phone) you'll still be fine with updates for a while longer, probably at least one more year.
post #603 of 1055
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Originally Posted by coolio107 View Post

Yes.
If you still use iOS 3 on the iPhone 3G make sure to get it somewhat soon since support for iOS 3 is going to be discontinued soon (see http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2011/10/...dbye-to-ios-3/). It will continue to work with the current server releases and until bigger changes are being introduced but there will be no more updates (until there are critical bugs showing up in the current release).

If the 3G is on iOS 4.2 (which is available for that phone) you'll still be fine with updates for a while longer, probably at least one more year.

Yes, she did upgrade to iOS 4, which caused to phone to be all but unusable (slow, apps stop working, etc.). That's why she got the new one.

I appreciate the info. I'm hoping when I delete all the bloat on her old phone, it will be usable for a handful of apps I'm interested in (iPeng being the main one).

Thanks
post #604 of 1055
I have to admit I never tried iOS 4 on the 3G, it's still my iOS 3 test device. Hearing bad stories myself. I also believe that the 3G is the slowest of all iOS devices because it's got the same processor as the original iPod touches but also has to handle all the phone stuff in the background.

What made it somewhat usable again for me (I found it to be unusably slow in the end even with iOS 3) was to remove the SIM card and only use it as an iPod touch.

Will start to use it as a test device with iOS 4.2 when I finally give up iOS 3 support.
post #605 of 1055
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Originally Posted by coolio107 View Post

What made it somewhat usable again for me (I found it to be unusably slow in the end even with iOS 3) was to remove the SIM card and only use it as an iPod touch.

That's my plan. That, and delete all the games and social network apps she has loaded on it.
post #606 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

That's my plan. That, and delete all the games and social network apps she has loaded on it.

They should not hurt.
On the 3G there is no multitasking so App Store Apps can not influence each other.
Now Mail, Safari and other Apple Apps are a different story, especially Mail can consume quite a bit of memory in the background.
post #607 of 1055
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Originally Posted by coolio107 View Post

They should not hurt.
On the 3G there is no multitasking so App Store Apps can not influence each other.
Now Mail, Safari and other Apple Apps are a different story, especially Mail can consume quite a bit of memory in the background.

Good to know. Thanks.
post #608 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

My wife is getting a new iPhone 4s. I plan on using her old 3G as a Squeezebox controller. Is the version of iPeng I run on the iPad the same (just sync the app over to the iPhone)?

On another note, I just discovered MOG. Holy &@*!, I'm never buying another CD again. 320kbps streaming and an almost limitless selection of albums (although a handfull of my obscure/independent label recordings aren't in the catalog). I was very surprised to see very recent releases like the new 2011 Pink Floyd remasters. I A/B'ed a bunch of tracks against my FLAC files (including some of my 24/96 rips) and couldn't tell the difference.

Oh wow; MOG is finally available for SBT! Excellent. I tried Spotify...just because, while I love Rhapsody, I've been using it for like 10 years...and I decided to give one of the new kids on the block a chance.

While I'd heard MOG was "better", it wasn't available for SB at the time...so I gave Spotify a spin. UGH; not for me. Can't wait to try MOG!

CD
post #609 of 1055
OK, just in time for Black Friday and Holiday shopping.

I'm still trying to find a tablet-alternative, that's inexpensive, can primarily act as good remote for my SBT...but still give me some adequate tablet functionality, as I come to want it.

I don't want to break the bank, and am leaning toward a Kindle Fire. However, I'm concerned it doesn't have access to the full compliment of Android apps; looks like it's chained to Amazon's store, and I couldn't find anything for the SB there.

You can probably tell, I'm no expert at this stuff (that, and this about the third time I've broached the same subject...lol)...but can a tablet like the Fire be "jail-broken", so I can get a full compliment of Android apps...including the SB Controller (or alternative)?

Thanks,
CD
post #610 of 1055
I don't think you need to jailbreak it, you just need to install the Apps manually which will probably only work for free ones.
AFAIK there are no alternative stores for Kindle, yet.

Logitech says that when you download the .apk file for their App you can manually install it but there seem to be few people who have had success with this.

None of the Apps is available on the Amazon store, yet. Amazon has a contract for their store that makes Apple look like a philanthropist troop of careless hippies.
And then there is the question about whether German developers are now allowed on the Store at all (SqueezeCommander and SqueezePlayer both come from German developers). There was a ban but I'm not sure it's still in effect. The problem was that Apple sued Amazon in Germany over the Trademark for the term "App Store". They did so because - not being a German term - "App Store" in Germany is not regarded to be a generic term so you can get a trademark on it. Amazon's first defense was simply that their store doesn't do business in Germany...

In short: It's complicated....
post #611 of 1055
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Originally Posted by coolio107 View Post

I don't think you need to jailbreak it, you just need to install the Apps manually which will probably only work for free ones.
AFAIK there are no alternative stores for Kindle, yet.

Logitech says that when you download the .apk file for their App you can manually install it but there seem to be few people who have had success with this.

None of the Apps is available on the Amazon store, yet. Amazon has a contract for their store that makes Apple look like a philanthropist troop of careless hippies.
And then there is the question about whether German developers are now allowed on the Store at all (SqueezeCommander and SqueezePlayer both come from German developers). There was a ban but I'm not sure it's still in effect. The problem was that Apple sued Amazon in Germany over the Trademark for the term "App Store". They did so because - not being a German term - "App Store" in Germany is not regarded to be a generic term so you can get a trademark on it. Amazon's first defense was simply that their store doesn't do business in Germany...

In short: It's complicated....

Thanks Coolio; I'm not looking for complicated...lol.

So...if you had to lean yes or no, at this point at least; it doesn't look like the Fire will do the simplest of things I'm looking for...which is control the SBT?

CD
post #612 of 1055
I would say it won't be simple but possible to get it to do that.
Flattermann (the author of SqueezeCommander) just reported over at the Slimdevices forum that he's got some Kindle users who seem to have bought the App through SlideMe and then manually installed it on the Kindle.
Maybe you just have to copy or mail the installation file.

Logitech are telling similar things about their own App.
post #613 of 1055
I know there are lots of mods around for the SBT; anyone found a way to crack the 96kHz output barrier yet? In other words, anyone found a way to get it to output 192?

CD
post #614 of 1055
My wife just got a new iPhone so she gave me her old 3GS to play with. I deleted all of her bloatware (apps) and installed the free Logitech Squeezebox control app.

It's not as smooth operating or as feature rich as iPeng for the iPad (I REALLY like iPeng), but it works well enough - certainly better than trying to read the Touch display from 12 feet away.
post #615 of 1055
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

I know there are lots of mods around for the SBT; anyone found a way to crack the 96kHz output barrier yet? In other words, anyone found a way to get it to output 192?

CD

There was one, you shoul search the Slimdevices forum for it. Not sure how well it worked or if it's still working, was a while ago.
post #616 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

My wife just got a new iPhone so she gave me her old 3GS to play with. I deleted all of her bloatware (apps) and installed the free Logitech Squeezebox control app.

It's not as smooth operating or as feature rich as iPeng for the iPad (I REALLY like iPeng), but it works well enough - certainly better than trying to read the Touch display from 12 feet away.

Good to know Palm. I crapped out on a tablet for Xmas...wife and I were trying to stay ~$200 or under on that particular item, and nothing seemed to fit the bill...save for the Kindle Fire...and it seemed uncertain just how that might pan out for SBC; so I'm going to get an iPod Touch myself...with birthday cards I have left over.

So...iPeng is "better", but it costs? Versus the SB app being free?

CD
post #617 of 1055
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Good to know Palm. I crapped out on a tablet for Xmas...wife and I were trying to stay ~$200 or under on that particular item, and nothing seemed to fit the bill...save for the Kindle Fire...and it seemed uncertain just how that might pan out for SBC; so I'm going to get an iPod Touch myself...with birthday cards I have left over.

So...iPeng is "better", but it costs? Versus the SB app being free?

CD

iPeng is much better, but again, I have only used the iPad version with that lovely 10" display. I tried to migrate it over to my iPod but it doesn't work - I guess I have to buy the iPod version, which I refuse to do (on principle, I refuse to buy the same app twice). That said, I have no complaints with the Free Logitech app. It works fine. iPeng is only $10, but you might as well try the free one first and if you like it, you're done.

Have you researched android apps for tablets? I think there are simple ways to get apps onto tablets without using the marketplace.
post #618 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

iPeng is much better, but again, I have only used the iPad version with that lovely 10" display. I tried to migrate it over to my iPod but it doesn't work - I guess I have to buy the iPod version, which I refuse to do (on principle, I refuse to buy the same app twice). That said, I have no complaints with the Free Logitech app. It works fine. iPeng is only $10, but you might as well try the free one first and if you like it, you're done.

Have you researched android apps for tablets? I think there are simple ways to get apps onto tablets without using the marketplace.

Well...I know Coolio commented on how, even though an SB app wasn't (yet) available in the Kindle Fire's marketplace, I could probably load it "manually", or get it working somehow. I guess I'm just not completely sold on the Fire at this point.

I know there are some "good" tablets out there, but as I said earlier...my wife and I were looking in the ~$200 range, and it appears only the Fire is really around that mark (of the models I know at all...I am not a tablet expert). It just felt like maybe it wasn't the right time; like this coming year, the Fire will put pressure on some of the other makers to come down in price, or release a comparable model around that price.

Just felt like a "wait and see". Plus...I thought the Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals...on tablets...sucked; lol

CD
post #619 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

(on principle, I refuse to buy the same app twice).

C'mon. App Store pricing is more than fair.
You get:
Free updates. Forever! OK, don't know about forever but so far that's how it works.
You can install it on as many devices as you want.

In iPeng's case, if you own both you get playback at a discount.

Compare that to your choice of PC applications.

It's not like you can sell Squeezebox iOS Apps to millions of people.
There simply is no way to justify the development of an App like iPeng (for iPad, in this case) if you then have to give it away for free. And in this case you would even have to add ADDITIONAL effort (to make it a unified App; because it IS not the same App as it is, even if it shares the whole backend) to be able to then give it away for free.
And I can assure you that iPeng has much more man power behind it than the free Logitech App (two developers plus one designer plus some contract work; compared to one part time developer for both the iPhone and the Android App on the Logitech side) and Logitech makes a lot more revenue on each Squeezebox they sell.
Just look at how many updates the Logitech App has seen so far (1) compared to iPeng (34).

In the end, you get what you pay for.
post #620 of 1055
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Originally Posted by coolio107 View Post

C'mon. App Store pricing is more than fair.
You get:
Free updates. Forever! OK, don't know about forever but so far that's how it works.
You can install it on as many devices as you want.

In iPeng's case, if you own both you get playback at a discount.

Compare that to your choice of PC applications.

It's not like you can sell Squeezebox iOS Apps to millions of people.
There simply is no way to justify the development of an App like iPeng (for iPad, in this case) if you then have to give it away for free. And in this case you would even have to add ADDITIONAL effort (to make it a unified App; because it IS not the same App as it is, even if it shares the whole backend) to be able to then give it away for free.
And I can assure you that iPeng has much more man power behind it than the free Logitech App (two developers plus one designer plus some contract work; compared to one part time developer for both the iPhone and the Android App on the Logitech side) and Logitech makes a lot more revenue on each Squeezebox they sell.
Just look at how many updates the Logitech App has seen so far (1) compared to iPeng (34).

In the end, you get what you pay for.

What do you mean by "playback at a discount?" I don't know what that is.

I hear what you're saying Coolio, but it's just not worth it to me. The tiny screen of the iPhone eliminates most of iPeng's benefits (better graphics and ergonomics) anyways, so the Logitech app is more than adequate for me.

I'm also not sold on the iPhone yet anyways. It's still pretty laggy even with the restore and sim card removal. I've looked into regressing the OS back to v.3, but it looks difficult and risky.

So for now, I'll stick with the free app and primarily use the iPad and iPeng combo.
post #621 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

What do you mean by "playback at a discount?" I don't know what that is.

Playback means that you can use iPeng as a player, too. You can find details in "Settings->Enable Playback".
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I hear what you're saying Coolio, but it's just not worth it to me.

Well, THAT's of course OK with me. I just responded because you said you didn't pay for it for principle reasons which sounded like "It would be worth it for me but I refuse to pay anyway".
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The tiny screen of the iPhone eliminates most of iPeng's benefits (better graphics and ergonomics) anyways, so the Logitech app is more than adequate for me.

Well, on slow devices iPeng is much faster... But you are right, there's much more you can do on the bigger screen wrt graphics and so on.
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I'm also not sold on the iPhone yet anyways. It's still pretty laggy even with the restore and sim card removal. I've looked into regressing the OS back to v.3, but it looks difficult and risky.

Is it really a 3GS or a 3G? The 3G is the slowest piece of equipment in the whole lineup and from what I hear the downgrade might even be worthwhile (I've never tried mine with iOS 4, it's still one of my iOS 3 testbeds) but then you would _need_ to use iPeng because the Logi App is not available for 3
And even iPeng will not be available for 3 for much longer, probably end of this year, maybe even shorter.
Can't really comment on the 3GS, never had that but my iPod 3G (same generation) is quite OK from a performance POV with iOS 4.3
post #622 of 1055
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Well...I know Coolio commented on how, even though an SB app wasn't (yet) available in the Kindle Fire's marketplace, I could probably load it "manually", or get it working somehow. I guess I'm just not completely sold on the Fire at this point.

I know there are some "good" tablets out there, but as I said earlier...my wife and I were looking in the ~$200 range, and it appears only the Fire is really around that mark (of the models I know at all...I am not a tablet expert). It just felt like maybe it wasn't the right time; like this coming year, the Fire will put pressure on some of the other makers to come down in price, or release a comparable model around that price.

Just felt like a "wait and see". Plus...I thought the Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals...on tablets...sucked; lol

CD

Well...I changed direction on this and bought a Kindle Fire today. I needed a remote device for my SBT, and had some B-day cards that included BB, so I had to buy there.

Turned out to be a blessing in disguise. I was going to "settle" for an iPod Touch, as I said above...I wasn't completely sold on the Fire. Shame on BB; the iPod Touch was cheaper before the Xmas shopping season! Before Cyber Monday (and maybe before Black Friday, can't remember) I saw it for $179.99. I was like "if it's $179.99 now, I'll wait until BF/CM". CM it was $184.99, so I waited for it to come back to at least $179.99; it's been $189.99 ever since. Boooooo!

So, I was like "for $10 more, I'll take a chance on a Fire". It's "in store only", so off I went...and my BB had 2 "open box" for $179.99. I took a look at both, and one wasn't even out of the mylar! Someone must have looked at it cross-eyed and just decided it wasn't for them...lol. Their loss was my gain!

OK...so I now I have to see if I can get this thing controlling the SBT? No ports...so I'm not sure how to tackle installing "manually"? Coolio, I guess you mean an app-store jailbreak? Guess I need to get postin' over at the SB forums...or has someone already started a "jailbreak Kindle Fire" thread? I hate being the guy to duplicate...lol

CD
post #623 of 1055
Hi CD,
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

OK...so I now I have to see if I can get this thing controlling the SBT? No ports...so I'm not sure how to tackle installing "manually"? Coolio, I guess you mean an app-store jailbreak? Guess I need to get postin' over at the SB forums...or has someone already started a "jailbreak Kindle Fire" thread? I hate being the guy to duplicate...lol

CD

Here is an article from one of my trade magazines:
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-n...r-Kindle-Fire-

There is a link to the "how-to" a few paragraphs down.
post #624 of 1055
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Well...I changed direction on this and bought a Kindle Fire today. I needed a remote device for my SBT, and had some B-day cards that included BB, so I had to buy there.

Turned out to be a blessing in disguise. I was going to "settle" for an iPod Touch, as I said above...I wasn't completely sold on the Fire. Shame on BB; the iPod Touch was cheaper before the Xmas shopping season! Before Cyber Monday (and maybe before Black Friday, can't remember) I saw it for $179.99. I was like "if it's $179.99 now, I'll wait until BF/CM". CM it was $184.99, so I waited for it to come back to at least $179.99; it's been $189.99 ever since. Boooooo!

So, I was like "for $10 more, I'll take a chance on a Fire". It's "in store only", so off I went...and my BB had 2 "open box" for $179.99. I took a look at both, and one wasn't even out of the mylar! Someone must have looked at it cross-eyed and just decided it wasn't for them...lol. Their loss was my gain!

OK...so I now I have to see if I can get this thing controlling the SBT? No ports...so I'm not sure how to tackle installing "manually"? Coolio, I guess you mean an app-store jailbreak? Guess I need to get postin' over at the SB forums...or has someone already started a "jailbreak Kindle Fire" thread? I hate being the guy to duplicate...lol

CD

CD, here's a great source of info on anything Anrdoid on your new Fire. And please RTFM before rooting or trying anything Amazon did'nt intend you to do with the device

Specific section dealing with "rooting" etc.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1309
post #625 of 1055
Thanks for the 2 links guys. Plus, I discovered the Fire does micro usb...so maybe that's the key to all of this; or at least part.

Lots 'O reading to do.

CD
post #626 of 1055
Good decision CD. The iPod Touch is impressive, but for home use, I think you'll really appreciate the Fire's larger display.

Let us know how it works out.
post #627 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Good decision CD. The iPod Touch is impressive, but for home use, I think you'll really appreciate the Fire's larger display.

Let us know how it works out.

I will PF. For the record, I started looking at XDA...and I'll admit, I don't think I'm ready for rooting/hacking/cracking/jail-breaking yet...lol.

I can see where the hardcore users would need/want it; they probably want to do a LOT of things the modified Amazon store won't give them access to. Me...I just want SB Controller or iPeng, etc; so I'm going to be looking for a manual load, that will work with the "stock" OS.

Guess I need to start looking at SBF, but if anyone already knows where to find this solution, a link would be much appreciated.

CD
post #628 of 1055
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

I will PF. For the record, I started looking at XDA...and I'll admit, I don't think I'm ready for rooting/hacking/cracking/jail-breaking yet...lol.

I can see where the hardcore users would need/want it; they probably want to do a LOT of things the modified Amazon store won't give them access to. Me...I just want SB Controller or iPeng, etc; so I'm going to be looking for a manual load, that will work with the "stock" OS.

Guess I need to start looking at SBF, but if anyone already knows where to find this solution, a link would be much appreciated.

CD


I read these customer comments on Amazon's website. Don't know if it's what you need to do or not...

"You can sideload almost every app written for Android Gingerbread or previous versions (up to 2.3).
The most straightforward way, in my view, is to download the .apk file by pointing the Silk browser to one of the many apk sites, and then install it."


"If you go into the Fire's system settings and enable installation of software from unknown sources, you can install Android software from places like Getjar.com. I haven't found much of interest there except Nook for Android."
post #629 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I read these customer comments on Amazon's website. Don't know if it's what you need to do or not...

"You can sideload almost every app written for Android Gingerbread or previous versions (up to 2.3).
The most straightforward way, in my view, is to download the .apk file by pointing the Silk browser to one of the many apk sites, and then install it."


"If you go into the Fire's system settings and enable installation of software from unknown sources, you can install Android software from places like Getjar.com. I haven't found much of interest there except Nook for Android."

Good note PF; we'll see. I suspect a micro-usb transfer...from PC to Fire...might play into it as well.

CD
post #630 of 1055
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

I just want SB Controller...

CD -

I didn't really read back much, so I might've missed a reason if you posted it, but I was just wondering why you wouldn't have wanted a SB Duet controller?
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