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post #811 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Not replaced, I think. - This "Smart Radio" looks like the "Squeezebox Radio" with a new name (and UE branding). I'm guessing Logitech is doing some marketing voodoo to change their audio products to the Ultimate Ears brand. I assume (hope?) that the Squeezebox will reappear with a nifty new name - UE Smart Touch maybe?
Not according to an insider posting on the forum. The new radio must be connected to the internet. It doesn't stream directly from your server, it goes through the web. No more random play. No immediate plans for a touch replacement. Current radios can be "upgraded" to the firmware, there may be a path to go back.
They will continue to offer some support and mysqueezebox.com should stay up for a few years, some of which has to do with consumer protection statutes in other countries.
Some users are already stocking up on touches and radios, they're still available from vendors other than Logitech.
Where does that leave us? No good multi-room solution that will do higher than redbook.
post #812 of 1055
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Originally Posted by saeyedoc View Post

Not according to an insider posting on the forum. The new radio must be connected to the internet. It doesn't stream directly from your server, it goes through the web. No more random play. No immediate plans for a touch replacement. Current radios can be "upgraded" to the firmware, there may be a path to go back.
They will continue to offer some support and mysqueezebox.com should stay up for a few years, some of which has to do with consumer protection statutes in other countries.
Some users are already stocking up on touches and radios, they're still available from vendors other than Logitech.
Where does that leave us? No good multi-room solution that will do higher than redbook.

Progress sucks...
post #813 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Progress sucks...
I really can. This society is just so brainwashed to think that even if a perfect product exists and it needs nothing more and offers a forver unbeatable functionality it still must be replaced simply because its "been out too long". I own three SB Touches and am going to try and keep my LMS server running for as many years as i can. If they want to ditch support and me as a customer, then so be it. Ill remember that.
post #814 of 1055
I’m considering buying a Squeezebox Touch. It would be used mainly to access music stored on a networked computer and play it through our home theater setup. To do what I want, we’ll need to put the Touch at the entertainment center. At this time we don’t have any smart phones (only dumb, app-less phones) or tablets in the house.

Before proceeding, I do have a some questions:

From a distance of about 18 feet, can you see the Touch’s display well enough to comfortably use the remote to browse a music library and choose songs to play?

Any very inexpensive android tablets that would be a good choices to control the Touch?

When using a tablet’s Wi-Fi to control the Touch, does the tablet just use my home network to directly access the Touch? Or, does it only send commands to the Touch by first going through the “My Squeezebox” website which then relays the commands back down the internet to the Touch?

Thanks,
Dave
post #815 of 1055
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Originally Posted by TheWind View Post

I’m considering buying a Squeezebox Touch. It would be used mainly to access music stored on a networked computer and play it through our home theater setup. To do what I want, we’ll need to put the Touch at the entertainment center. At this time we don’t have any smart phones (only dumb, app-less phones) or tablets in the house.
Before proceeding, I do have a some questions:
From a distance of about 18 feet, can you see the Touch’s display well enough to comfortably use the remote to browse a music library and choose songs to play?
Any very inexpensive android tablets that would be a good choices to control the Touch?
When using a tablet’s Wi-Fi to control the Touch, does the tablet just use my home network to directly access the Touch? Or, does it only send commands to the Touch by first going through the “My Squeezebox” website which then relays the commands back down the internet to the Touch?
Thanks,
Dave
The screen is quite small, no way you can see it from 18 feet. You can also control it from any computer. It uses your home network. My squeezebox.com is an interface for some of the other services like XM, Slacker.
I have my music on an imac in another room, the Touch is connected digitally to my main system. I control it with my macbook, an ipad or even my iphone.
I'm not familiar with Android systems.
The new system they came out with has to go through the internet, but it's only a "radio", can't connect it to your HT system.
post #816 of 1055
Yea I struggle to see the one in my living room at a bit over 12 feet. You can also use the iOS app to fully control it and Im not sure if there is an Android version.
post #817 of 1055
Controlling the Touch with ipeng is really the way to go. The web interface isn't bad. Using the remote in conjunction with the screen is the worst option IMO. I didn't even bother putting mine where I can see it, it's behind a small amp I use with the Touch for outdoor speakers. It's cool that you can use the digital and analog outputs at the same time.
post #818 of 1055
Thanks for all the good advice!

Yeah, I thought 18 feet would probably be way too far, but I was hoping I was wrong.

We’re going to stick with our dumb phones for a while, so the phone apps are out. And, since we have no need of a tablet, except as a possible controller for a Touch, I just plain don’t want so get spendy.

I guess there’s no app that would work on one of those under $100, cheapo android tablets I see advertised lately?

I also see that there’s a way to use a laptop to control the Touch. Anyone using a Windows laptop to do this? (Running a desktop, a squeezebox and a laptop all at the same time just to listen to music does seem to be a little excessive redface.gif - but who knows?)

Thanks again.
.
post #819 of 1055
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Originally Posted by TheWind View Post

Thanks for all the good advice!
Yeah, I thought 18 feet would probably be way too far, but I was hoping I was wrong.
We’re going to stick with our dumb phones for a while, so the phone apps are out. And, since we have no need of a tablet, except as a possible controller for a Touch, I just plain don’t want so get spendy.
I guess there’s no app that would work on one of those under $100, cheapo android tablets I see advertised lately?
I also see that there’s a way to use a laptop to control the Touch. Anyone using a Windows laptop to do this? (Running a desktop, a squeezebox and a laptop all at the same time just to listen to music does seem to be a little excessive redface.gif - but who knows?)
Thanks again.
.

You could keep some opera glasses next to the remote... wink.gif
post #820 of 1055
A Windows laptop would be fine. I don't know much about Android, but if you can run a web browser, you can use it as a remote for the Touch. You don't even need a Touch, you could buy an ipod touch and use it as a Squeezeplayer with the ipeng app and run it through an $80 Pure i20 digital dock. You could remove the ipod for portable use. It could still be controlled by a web browser.
post #821 of 1055
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Originally Posted by TheWind View Post

Any very inexpensive android tablets that would be a good choices to control the Touch?

I had a Zeki Tablet, which is offered now and then at Sears and K-Mart for around $99 USD. I runs Android 4.0 and has 8GB and a Micro SD slot. BUT you can't get the Google Play store, just the Amazon Android Marketplace and a few other Android software download sites (Soc.io and Get Jar). So you can't use Logitech's app, but there is an open source app, Squeezer, that is not fully implemented to all features of the Touch remote. That said, you can root the tablet, but you may lose the warranty. Many of the cheap $100 tablets don't provide any upgrade path directly from the manufacturer. As Android is open source, anyone can make a tablet and use the OS. When you pay $200 for a Google Nexus or $250 for a Galaxy Tab 2, you get OS updates and a better supported system. On the cheap tablet, it did not support a hidden Wifi SSID which could compromise your network's security. I returned the cheap tablet for an ASUS Transformer ($400) and have had 2 OS upgrades in the month that I have had it and am now running Android 4.1 Jelly Bean.

So a cheap tablet will work, but the compromises (screen resolution is night and day between the 2 tablets) may or may not be worth the low price over time.
post #822 of 1055
Do what I did and buy a second-hand iPod Touch 3G. I got my very clean 32GB model for $110.

I use it as a Squeezebox controller at home, and take it with me on the road as an iPod, back-up web browser, and game machine (Words With Friends, Hangman, etc.). I love it.
post #823 of 1055
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Originally Posted by tzydzy View Post

I had a Zeki Tablet, which is offered now and then at Sears and K-Mart for around $99 USD. I runs Android 4.0 and has 8GB and a Micro SD slot. BUT you can't get the Google Play store, just the Amazon Android Marketplace and a few other Android software download sites (Soc.io and Get Jar). So you can't use Logitech's app, but there is an open source app, Squeezer, that is not fully implemented to all features of the Touch remote. That said, you can root the tablet, but you may lose the warranty. Many of the cheap $100 tablets don't provide any upgrade path directly from the manufacturer. As Android is open source, anyone can make a tablet and use the OS. When you pay $200 for a Google Nexus or $250 for a Galaxy Tab 2, you get OS updates and a better supported system. On the cheap tablet, it did not support a hidden Wifi SSID which could compromise your network's security. I returned the cheap tablet for an ASUS Transformer ($400) and have had 2 OS upgrades in the month that I have had it and am now running Android 4.1 Jelly Bean.

So a cheap tablet will work, but the compromises (screen resolution is night and day between the 2 tablets) may or may not be worth the low price over time.

Thanks for the info!

In order to download (and run) the official Logitech Squeezebox Controller App, an Android tablet must come with a preinstalled Google App or Google Store Icon? – How would I know if a (cheaper) tablet comes with the Google Store ability? What determines whether an Android tablet can download google apps?
post #824 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Do what I did and buy a second-hand iPod Touch 3G. I got my very clean 32GB model for $110.

I use it as a Squeezebox controller at home, and take it with me on the road as an iPod, back-up web browser, and game machine (Words With Friends, Hangman, etc.). I love it.

Thank you!

That sounds very reasonable. Where did you purchase your used iPod Touch?

I guess that when used only as a “controller” for a Squeezebox (not actually playing any music files) an iPod Touch would work with my library of FLAC files?
post #825 of 1055
I am considering buying an SBT, but I can't seem to figure out if I can run it without installing the server software on my htpc. I just want the SBT and my Synology NAS to work together, no PC involved. Is this possible?
post #826 of 1055
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Originally Posted by TheWind View Post

Thank you!
That sounds very reasonable. Where did you purchase your used iPod Touch?
I guess that when used only as a “controller” for a Squeezebox (not actually playing any music files) an iPod Touch would work with my library of FLAC files?

I found mine in the "head-fi.org" for sale forum. Yes, used as a controller for your Squeezebox, the file format of your music doesn't matter. You can buy iPeng which is awesome or use the free Logitech app which is good too, just not as pretty as iPeng.

There are a lot of used iPods at cowboom.com (BestBuy's clearance website). You can get a 2G iPod Touch 8GB for about $80 there.

http://www.cowboom.com/product/538755
Edited by palmfish - 9/5/12 at 9:30pm
post #827 of 1055
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Originally Posted by pburgh View Post

I am considering buying an SBT, but I can't seem to figure out if I can run it without installing the server software on my htpc. I just want the SBT and my Synology NAS to work together, no PC involved. Is this possible?

Yes, but you will need the specific NAS version of LMS for your specific NAS to do so. Also the NAS will not function the same as running LMS on a regular PC/Mac. Expect long scan times, slower input response, need to install another codec package for WMA support, etc...

All LMS versions for all platforms are here:
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/
post #828 of 1055
So lets say Logitech shut down all recognition period that LMS or the Squeezebox Touch units ever existed today. Ive been thinking about it and so far I cant see anything that would cause the system to stop working just because Logitech stopped supporting it. Am I missing something here? Im just trying to make sure that my investment will keep running just as it has long after Logitech abandons me. I realize we wont have mysqeezebox.com, but do we need it? I mean other than to setup Pandora, etc?
post #829 of 1055
As long as your LMS server computer remains and you do not update the server OS beyond currently supported LMS OS's you should be fine for your local library usage. Streaming online content, particularly subscription type services, will be an issue when they do shut down MySqueezeBox.com.
post #830 of 1055
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

As long as your LMS server computer remains and you do not update the server OS beyond currently supported LMS OS's you should be fine for your local library usage. Streaming online content, particularly subscription type services, will be an issue when they do shut down MySqueezeBox.com.
Thats what I was thinking. Now, as long as they add Windows 8 support before they kill it, we'll be set for some time. Ill be on Windows 7 for quite a few years from now, so Im good either way.

It really is going to suck when Ill have to find a new mini FLAC streaming device like these little guys... Shame.
post #831 of 1055
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

As long as your LMS server computer remains and you do not update the server OS beyond currently supported LMS OS's you should be fine for your local library usage. Streaming online content, particularly subscription type services, will be an issue when they do shut down MySqueezeBox.com.

I don't see why they would shutdown the server. In any case i see the new ui radio using the same provisioning and authentication as the current radios. It would make no sense to rewrite all of this.

But then again ... I could be wrong.
post #832 of 1055
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

I don't see why they would shutdown the server. In any case i see the new ui radio using the same provisioning and authentication as the current radios. It would make no sense to rewrite all of this.
But then again ... I could be wrong.

The online UE server is basically a stripped down MySB.com so you may be right that MySB.com will be there for as long as UE online is around, who knows. But I have my doubts. There are existing issues with MySB.com that have gone unfixed for many months. One of these issues is reportedly working with UE online but is still broken on MySB.com. Not a confidence builder. frown.gif

Add in how poorly Logitech has handled the whole SqueezeBox line from the beginning and how they seem to botch technologies beyond keyboards & mice (i.e. Revu, Harmony) and I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about the future of SqueezeBox/MySB.com going forward.

I'm a big fan of SB, I have four players and use them constantly, not bashing them. I just question their long(er) term commitment for a discontinued product line. wink.gif
post #833 of 1055
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post

Thats what I was thinking. Now, as long as they add Windows 8 support before they kill it, we'll be set for some time. Ill be on Windows 7 for quite a few years from now, so Im good either way.
It really is going to suck when Ill have to find a new mini FLAC streaming device like these little guys... Shame.

Yeah, they claim renewed focus on LMS now that UE Radio and UE online server are essentially complete. But, as always, the developers and support people are very vague on just what "continued, renewed" actually means. Largely, I'd guess, because they themselves do not actually know. We wait... we see. Win8 support? Anybody's guess. Might work fine now. No idea.

I'm still on my rock solid WinXP and plan to stay with XP till the bitter end, another two years last I heard.

Lotsa luck finding a decent replacement for SqueezeBox players, they simply do not exist. There is nothing else out there that even comes close in form, function, features, audio quality, customization, codec support, flexibility, etc.... But, as long as your hardware players are working then you really have no need to go looking elsewhere. Worse case is years from now you buy a cheap used laptop with an older OS (XP, Win7) and run that as your dedicated LMS/SB server, which buys you many more years of use.
post #834 of 1055
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

Yeah, they claim renewed focus on LMS now that UE Radio and UE online server are essentially complete. But, as always, the developers and support people are very vague on just what "continued, renewed" actually means. Largely, I'd guess, because they themselves do not actually know. We wait... we see. Win8 support? Anybody's guess. Might work fine now. No idea.
I'm still on my rock solid WinXP and plan to stay with XP till the bitter end, another two years last I heard.
Lotsa luck finding a decent replacement for SqueezeBox players, they simply do not exist. There is nothing else out there that even comes close in form, function, features, audio quality, customization, codec support, flexibility, etc.... But, as long as your hardware players are working then you really have no need to go looking elsewhere. Worse case is years from now you buy a cheap used laptop with an older OS (XP, Win7) and run that as your dedicated LMS/SB server, which buys you many more years of use.
Yes, and if your hardware dies, you can use ipeng on an ipad into a Pure i20 dock or using the CCK.
post #835 of 1055
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

Yeah, they claim renewed focus on LMS now that UE Radio and UE online server are essentially complete. But, as always, the developers and support people are very vague on just what "continued, renewed" actually means. Largely, I'd guess, because they themselves do not actually know. We wait... we see. Win8 support? Anybody's guess. Might work fine now. No idea.
I'm still on my rock solid WinXP and plan to stay with XP till the bitter end, another two years last I heard.
Lotsa luck finding a decent replacement for SqueezeBox players, they simply do not exist. There is nothing else out there that even comes close in form, function, features, audio quality, customization, codec support, flexibility, etc.... But, as long as your hardware players are working then you really have no need to go looking elsewhere. Worse case is years from now you buy a cheap used laptop with an older OS (XP, Win7) and run that as your dedicated LMS/SB server, which buys you many more years of use.

Looking at their nightly builds it looks like a new beta is available of LMS (built sep 6th) ....

I read through a few posts on the slim devices forum. Sound like the new UE software is a stripped down version of what squeezebox/LMS offers, but easier to configure and there will be a path for users of existing radios to use the new software. You probably can switch back to the old software if needed.
post #836 of 1055
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Originally Posted by saeyedoc View Post

Yes, and if your hardware dies, you can use ipeng on an ipad into a Pure i20 dock or using the CCK.

A mild comfort for Apple users, maybe.
post #837 of 1055
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Looking at their nightly builds it looks like a new beta is available of LMS (built sep 6th) ....
I read through a few posts on the slim devices forum. Sound like the new UE software is a stripped down version of what squeezebox/LMS offers, but easier to configure and there will be a path for users of existing radios to use the new software. You probably can switch back to the old software if needed.

Yes, an easy upgrade path for the Radio model, not a simple downgrade if you choose to gain back the SB Radio features. No upgrade to UE for any other SB hardware.
post #838 of 1055
There is indeed an Android app, I installed it last night. Works great! Happy listening.

Trey
post #839 of 1055
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Originally Posted by Drtrey View Post

There is indeed an Android app, I installed it last night. Works great! Happy listening.
Trey

The Logitech app is fine but I use Squeeze Commander - $ but it has more features. Enjoy.
post #840 of 1055
Cool tip! Thanks!

Trey
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