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Originally Posted by Goes to 11 View Post

Let me be the first (one of the first?) to say I would be willing to make a substantial contribution to a Kickstarter project to build a new SBT-type device, that would communicate with the existing mediaserver software. I know some of the former Logitech employees have the know-how. I wish they would do it.

I've been following this developing product at Olive: Linky I'm hoping that its a long time before my Squeezebox Touch gives out. But when it does, this might be a good alternative.
post #932 of 1055
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Originally Posted by Goes to 11 View Post

Let me be the first (one of the first?) to say I would be willing to make a substantial contribution to a Kickstarter project to build a new SBT-type device, that would communicate with the existing mediaserver software. I know some of the former Logitech employees have the know-how. I wish they would do it.

I actually hate the Media server software. I wish there was a better solution such as MediaMonkey or Winamp that would act as a server for the SBT. Maybe they'll open up their API since it isn't going to be supported much longer. Although that also limits the amount of motivation another software company has of supporting it.
post #933 of 1055
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Originally Posted by Goes to 11 View Post

Let me be the first (one of the first?) to say I would be willing to make a substantial contribution to a Kickstarter project to build a new SBT-type device, that would communicate with the existing mediaserver software. I know some of the former Logitech employees have the know-how. I wish they would do it.

Already in the works.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97881-Community-Funded-Squeezebox-Replacement-Would-you-be-interested
post #934 of 1055
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See this thread:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=113075.0

Another option, if you have a spare idevice, is to dock it with a Pure i20 and use the ipeng playback app.

Very interesting. Thank you.
post #935 of 1055
Impressive thread, hopefully they get something off the ground!
post #936 of 1055
And so it starts?

Having trouble with MOG through SBT (why is it always MOG?). When I try to play from the Home menu, it says "you need to configure on mysqueezebox.com...blah, blah, blah". But of course...I've only used it for about a 1,000 years; and it is configured on mysqueezebox.com.

Thoughts? Will they even still take calls on this thing? rolleyes.gif


My issue turned out to be even sillier than that. redface.gif
Edited by CDLehner - 3/25/13 at 7:14pm
post #937 of 1055
Thread Starter 
I restarted the Touch when I received that message. Cleared it up.
post #938 of 1055
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

I restarted the Touch when I received that message. Cleared it up.
Glad that cleared it up for you.
I really like Radio Paradise as well. Have been listening for about 4 years now. Great playlist!
post #939 of 1055
^^ The same here. I was listening to Radio Paradise before there was a Pandora, last.fm, etc. They put a lot of work into their program.
post #940 of 1055
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Originally Posted by Tune_man View Post

Glad that cleared it up for you.
I really like Radio Paradise as well. Have been listening for about 4 years now. Great playlist!

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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

^^ The same here. I was listening to Radio Paradise before there was a Pandora, last.fm, etc. They put a lot of work into their program.

Yes, I've been a long-time RP evangelist. I probably owe them about $10,000 for all of the bandwidth I've used streaming the program daily. The least I could do is help spread the good news.
post #941 of 1055
For those looking for a squeezebox from something like kickstarter:

This is ALMOST a plug and play option, for c. $50, a PicoPlayer -- slimsqueeze running on a Raspberry pi.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97803-piCoPlayer-Squeezelite-on-Microcore-linux-An-embedded-OS-in-RAM-with-Squeezelite

The latest version even supports hi rez audio (though I have not had success with things above 96/24 yet).

I'm using HDMI out for digital. I was successful with analog audio out (though not both at the same time). I don't have a USB-SPDIF adapter to try, but that should work. Many people use a USB DAC. I haven't yet.

It's headless, of course, so you have to control it from your iphone, android phone, tablet, or computer, but honestly that's how I control almost everything.

So it's not quite a "touch" replacement -- no screen and at least in this config cannot act as the server -- but it's a nifty little cheap and easy low power solution.

(Separately, some people are using the Raspberry Pi as a Media Server, with different free software, so you can use them for that, too, just not with the lean software linked to here.)
post #942 of 1055
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The Raspberry Pi is really cool and great for little projects like this. Thanks for the link.
post #943 of 1055
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

The Raspberry Pi is really cool and great for little projects like this. Thanks for the link.

It's pretty cool for sure. This little project essentially let me put in place a Duet client for $50, anywhere I had a HDMI input (ie, a receiver) or didn't mind simple analog output (eg, powered speakers in the yard).

The developer is also very responsive, which is great.
post #944 of 1055
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This little project essentially let me put in place a Duet client for $50, anywhere I had a HDMI input (ie, a receiver) or didn't mind simple analog output (eg, powered speakers in the yard).

Yes, Nathan, thanks for the link! I think I finally toasted my Duet for good a couple of weekends ago, when it overheated while sitting in bright sun. (I had already been keeping it limping along by unplugging and re-plugging the wireless card to get it to power up.) I have the Squeezeplayer app installed on a tablet, and was going to use that outside with one of these http://www.amazon.com/Britelink-Bluetooth-Audio-Receiver-Portable/dp/B0059M4G9K and powered speakers, but I think I might like this Raspberry Pi idea a lot better.
post #945 of 1055
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Originally Posted by Goes to 11 View Post

Yes, Nathan, thanks for the link! I think I finally toasted my Duet for good a couple of weekends ago, when it overheated while sitting in bright sun. (I had already been keeping it limping along by unplugging and re-plugging the wireless card to get it to power up.) I have the Squeezeplayer app installed on a tablet, and was going to use that outside with one of these http://www.amazon.com/Britelink-Bluetooth-Audio-Receiver-Portable/dp/B0059M4G9K and powered speakers, but I think I might like this Raspberry Pi idea a lot better.

In theory there are wifi dongles that work with it, which you may want in such a setup. I use a hard line.

https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home/news

Is the official home of this particular software implementation. There is a placeholder for a list of which wifi dongles and USB DACs work with this particular configuration. But the lists appear blank at present. I think the thread I linked to before may have some info about compatible wifi dongles, as well.
post #946 of 1055
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

There is a placeholder for a list of which wifi dongles and USB DACs work with this particular configuration. But the lists appear blank at present. I think the thread I linked to before may have some info about compatible wifi dongles, as well.

It took a bit to load, but I find a list of working/not working wi-fi dongles here: https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/wifi-dongles

One thing I am not clear on, although I admit I have not taken time to read everything thoroughly yet: do I just put the piCorePlayer on an SD card, put the card in the Raspberry Pi, and I have a Squeezebox alternative? Or is there a lot more to getting the Raspberry Pi itself working first?
post #947 of 1055
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Originally Posted by Goes to 11 View Post

It took a bit to load, but I find a list of working/not working wi-fi dongles here: https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/wifi-dongles

One thing I am not clear on, although I admit I have not taken time to read everything thoroughly yet: do I just put the piCorePlayer on an SD card, put the card in the Raspberry Pi, and I have a Squeezebox alternative? Or is there a lot more to getting the Raspberry Pi itself working first?

Okay, I'll try to let the page site longer and see if it loads for me (on Chrome, Max OSX).

About your question:

If you are using a hard wired network, and an hdmi ouput, it is pretty much plug and play. (You do have to know how to take the downloaded IMG file and put it on the SD card as an image.) That is what I have found with the lastest version of the software.

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If you are using a USB DAC you do need to SSH (network into the device with a command line interface) and run a few commands, which are documented on the same web site.

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I have NOT looked at how one uses a wifi dongle, but I'd guess the same kind of procedure (connect over the network, to slip a few commands) is required.
post #948 of 1055
This page explains the steps both for USB DACs and Wifi. Wifi looks a little easier but still requires most of the same steps. I haven't used either yet.

https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home/how-to-1
post #949 of 1055
Logitech Squeezebox Touch Question. I am thinking of getting an OPPO BDP-105 to replace my Denon DVD-2930ci. With digital ins & outs on the OPPO I could run a digital out from my Squeezebox Touch to the OPPO DAC. I currently use the Touch with it's analog outs to my 2 channel preamp. I believe all the outs from the Touch are active simultaneously so comparing the OPPO DAC to the Touch's DAC should be achieved easily. Has anyone tried this setup? Was it an improvement in sound? What would be the best way to hook up the Touch to the OPPO DAC, Digital coax cable, Optical, or USB? Thanks!
post #950 of 1055
I dont have a BDP-105 but I have compared my Squeezebox Touch to some very good standalone DACs. The Squeezebox Touch measures quite well but in my experience, there is a subtle improvememt using a dedicated high quality DAC (as the Oppo has).

I dont know if you have ever compared amps and DACs before, but in spite of the professional reviews that specialize in using hyperbole to describe "air," "PRaT," "toe-tapping quality," " soundstage," etc., in my experience, the differences are subtle and require concentration and certain types of recordings to really discern.

If you are buying the Oppo in order to upgrade to BluRay anyways, running your Squeezebox through it is a no-brainer. On the other hand, if you are looking at the Oppo primarily to use as a DAC, there are better choices out there.

As far as input choice goes, there should be no audible difference between S/PDIF, TOSLINK, and USB - with the caveat that the Squeezebox Touch does jot have native USB output. An inexpensive coax or optical cable is all you need.
post #951 of 1055
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Originally Posted by Tune_man View Post

Logitech Squeezebox Touch Question. I am thinking of getting an OPPO BDP-105 to replace my Denon DVD-2930ci.

Off topic, my apologies, but why the replacement? I use the same player for audio only (CD, SACD, DVD-A), hooked to my Denon AVR via DenonLink 3 and think it's fantastic. However, I also have a separate bluray player and could use the extra slot in my rack so I have remotely considered a similar move to consolidate down to one device.
post #952 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

If you are buying the Oppo in order to upgrade to BluRay anyways, running your Squeezebox through it is a no-brainer. On the other hand, if you are looking at the Oppo primarily to use as a DAC, there are better choices out there.

In your opinion, what are some of those "better" choices ?
post #953 of 1055
^^ Not necessarily "better", but the DAC in his receiver/pre-pro is probably just as good. I'd guess palmfish's comment is about $ and quality, and I'd have to agree.
post #954 of 1055
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Off topic, my apologies, but why the replacement? I use the same player for audio only (CD, SACD, DVD-A), hooked to my Denon AVR via DenonLink 3 and think it's fantastic. However, I also have a separate bluray player and could use the extra slot in my rack so I have remotely considered a similar move to consolidate down to one device.

Great point Nethawk! I bought the Denon on a closeout and it exceeded my expectations. I have a 2 channel system and run the Denon analog RCA outs for sound HDMI for picture. SACD, DVD-A, and CD sound very good with it equaling and besting some more expensive players I have used in my system. I don't currently have a Blu-Ray player and am also considering getting a less expensive Blu-Ray but since I run analog outs for sound the OPPO is a 1 box solution that I can also use as a DAC for the Squeezebox as well. I also have a CD recorder (that I use to put LP's on to CD/computer) and turntable. phono preamp so space and inputs (RCA & AC power) are at a premium. The Denon is a very good player indeed!
I will have to buy the OPPO with a trial period to make sure I will like it enough.
post #955 of 1055
^^^ Makes perfect sense. Oppo to me makes a Swiss army knife of sorts for HT. I just haven't personally found use for anything but the toothpick. biggrin.gif
post #956 of 1055
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I dont have a BDP-105 but I have compared my Squeezebox Touch to some very good standalone DACs. The Squeezebox Touch measures quite well but in my experience, there is a subtle improvememt using a dedicated high quality DAC (as the Oppo has).

I dont know if you have ever compared amps and DACs before, but in spite of the professional reviews that specialize in using hyperbole to describe "air," "PRaT," "toe-tapping quality," " soundstage," etc., in my experience, the differences are subtle and require concentration and certain types of recordings to really discern.

If you are buying the Oppo in order to upgrade to BluRay anyways, running your Squeezebox through it is a no-brainer. On the other hand, if you are looking at the Oppo primarily to use as a DAC, there are better choices out there.

As far as input choice goes, there should be no audible difference between S/PDIF, TOSLINK, and USB - with the caveat that the Squeezebox Touch does jot have native USB output. An inexpensive coax or optical cable is all you need.

I would be getting the OPPO to upgrade to Blu-Ray as I currently don't have a Blu-Ray player so a one box solution is very appealing. Sometimes a lot of money can be spent for very little or no improvement (a major step sideways?). I agree that differences can be very subtle in the digital world.
Thanks palmfish for your input. Seems like you think I won't have to break the bank on a digital ( S/PDIF or TOSLINK) cable. Seems like there is more difference in sound with analog cables than with digital, has that been your experience?
post #957 of 1055
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

^^^ Makes perfect sense. Oppo to me makes a Swiss army knife of sorts for HT. I just haven't personally found use for anything but the toothpick. biggrin.gif

Looking at the pictures of your system you have a lot of great Toothpicks! Very nice looking system, bet it sounds good as well! Have you tried any DAC's (like in your Receiver) with your Squeezebox Touch?
post #958 of 1055
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Originally Posted by Tune_man View Post

I would be getting the OPPO to upgrade to Blu-Ray as I currently don't have a Blu-Ray player so a one box solution is very appealing. Sometimes a lot of money can be spent for very little or no improvement (a major step sideways?). I agree that differences can be very subtle in the digital world.
Thanks palmfish for your input. Seems like you think I won't have to break the bank on a digital ( S/PDIF or TOSLINK) cable. Seems like there is more difference in sound with analog cables than with digital, has that been your experience?

I don't think there is a difference in sound with any cables unless your runs are 100' or longer - for which I would consider XLR connection instead. Not an issue for a home system like yours though... No, I use $3.00 RCA cables from Monoprice and they work just great.

I think the one box solution is a great idea, but a couple pieces are missing from your puzzle. You said you currently have your DVD player connected to a 2-channel preamp. What do you use for multi-channel audio and video currently? Since your primary goal is to upgrade to BluRay, unless you have a modern pre/pro you won't be able to enjoy the newer lossless audio codecs without a multi-channel pre/pro, so it might be wiser to invest in a new pre/pro with a built-in high quality DAC instead. Use it as your "audio hub" instead of an "oppo BDP-105." Here's my thinking:

The upgrade to BluRay is the signal that it's time to upgrade to HDMI. With HDMI all of your audio and video travel through one cable in glorious lossless high resolution from your media source to your pre/pro. Instead of spending 4 figures on the Oppo BDP-105, consider buying a high end Pioneer Elite or Denon AVR instead. These will have high quality DACs built in and more importantly, automatic room correction EQ. You can route all of your analog and digital sources to the AVR which will become the central hub for all of your sources. For BluRay, just buy an inexpensive Panasonic player and connect via HDMI.

So... keep your Denon DVD player and hook it up via analog RCA for continued 2-channel music enjoyment. Use the cheap BluRay player connected via HDMI for all your multi-channel audio/video (once you hear your first BluRay audio disc your DVD player will start collecting dust!). Connect your Squeezebox via TOSLINK and you're good to go.

I know I'm skipping ahead but I'm assuming your move to BluRay includes some kind of multi-channel audio upgrade with it. If not, then there's a different path to talk about... biggrin.gif
Edited by palmfish - 7/5/13 at 8:21am
post #959 of 1055
I run my modified SBT into an Emotiva XDA-2 dac and it was an obvious and pleasant upgrade. It should be for $400! I used to run it to my Denon receiver, but that was really similar enough to the SBT dac that I stopped doing it that way. But the XDA-2 is wonderful with the SBT, and it is fun when 192 lights up!

Trey
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I don't think there is a difference in sound with any cables unless your runs are 100' or longer - for which I would consider XLR connection instead. Not an issue for a home system like yours though... No, I use $3.00 RCA cables from Monoprice and they work just great.

I think the one box solution is a great idea, but a couple pieces are missing from your puzzle. You said you currently have your DVD player connected to a 2-channel preamp. What do you use for multi-channel audio and video currently? Since your primary goal is to upgrade to BluRay, unless you have a modern pre/pro you won't be able to enjoy the newer lossless audio codecs without a multi-channel pre/pro, so it might be wiser to invest in a new pre/pro with a built-in high quality DAC instead. Use it as your "audio hub" instead of an "oppo BDP-105." Here's my thinking:

The upgrade to BluRay is the signal that it's time to upgrade to HDMI. With HDMI all of your audio and video travel through one cable in glorious lossless high resolution from your media source to your pre/pro. Instead of spending 4 figures on the Oppo BDP-105, consider buying a high end Pioneer Elite or Denon AVR instead. These will have high quality DACs built in and more importantly, automatic room correction EQ. You can route all of your analog and digital sources to the AVR which will become the central hub for all of your sources. For BluRay, just buy an inexpensive Panasonic player and connect via HDMI.

So... keep your Denon DVD player and hook it up via analog RCA for continued 2-channel music enjoyment. Use the cheap BluRay player connected via HDMI for all your multi-channel audio/video (once you hear your first BluRay audio disc your DVD player will start collecting dust!). Connect your Squeezebox via TOSLINK and you're good to go.

I know I'm skipping ahead but I'm assuming your move to BluRay includes some kind of multi-channel audio upgrade with it. If not, then there's a different path to talk about... biggrin.gif

I have given this route you map out some consideration as a good AVR will take care of a lot of the processing needs while eliminating the need for a pricey BluRay player. Running everything (for the most part) HDMI to the AVR where there is a DAC and more processing options. My current setup will only give me the video advantages of BluRay and falling short audio-wise on what the format can produce through a good AVR. My main stumbling block is 90% of my system use is listening to 2 Channel music only which consists of my ripped CD's (WAV & FLAC) & Internet Radio, MOG on the Squeezebox Touch, playing CD"s, SACD's, DVD-A on the Denon, LP's on my turntable. Of course going to an AVR would vastly improve some of my SACD's and all of my DVD-Audio's but they are still a small percentage of my listening. I only have 2 speakers (L&R mains) currently so additional expense would be required. Although listening to a BluRay of Steven Wilson's "Get All You Deserve" on a setup you speak of would floor me I am sure! I appreciate your input for being a good option for the future as newer BluRay players are eliminating analog audio outs & TV's have already done so.
I have not experienced any sonic difference in digital cable (but have little experience) but analog I have. I had a pair of Usher Tiny Dancers Speakers hooked up to my system and tried them with the Cardas speaker cables the owner of them had and compared them to my MIT cables (both sets Bi-Wired). The MIT sounded a hair better in the highs and mids and even more so in the bass. Both of us agreed. The rest of my system is MIT cables so may have been the synergy of that possibly.
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