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post #301 of 1597
I tell you right of the bat. Sammy looms better and doesn't have as many problems.
post #302 of 1597
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

I tell you right of the bat. Sammy looms better and doesn't have as many problems.

From everything I've read so far the LG is better with shadow details (one of my pet peeves), color accuracy, and viewing angle (also important for me) while the Samsung is better in bright lighting (not an issue for me), has less blooming (but only by a little), and less banding.

If it wasn't for the banding issue the LG would be a no-brainer for me. I took a look at one in the store and couldn't find the banding issue at all, but I couldn't get a sales rep.'s attention to let me play with it.

With the 9500 having 3D and thus future proofing it better than the Samsung I think it all comes down to whether I really notice and am bothered by the banding. I suppose they may even fix the issue (wishful thinking probably) in the 9500.
post #303 of 1597
Agreed.
post #304 of 1597
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dukedevil2323 View Post

Has anyone who has bought this set had any problems with image retention. I sold the 55le8500 to a customer and when a commercial would come up and for example they would have their website at the bottom. When the next commercial came on the website imprint from the previous commercial would still be visible. He came back and exchanged it for another 55le8500 and the new set is doing the same thing. Any ideas to whats causing this?

I have paused the image on my set for up to several hours using the Tivo Premier XL without any evidence of image retention. But I have my set adjusted for an evening environment. Perhaps there is more chance of IR when the 8500 is set up for bright room viewing conditions.
post #305 of 1597
Has anyone had any firsthand experience with how this set handles 24p? Any thoughts on it versus other 24p capable LED LCD sets? Cnet wasn't too impressed.
post #306 of 1597
when are the 9500 series suppose to come out *eps in canada* anyword?

whats the difference 9500 vs 8500? other then 3d and thin bezel...
post #307 of 1597
Does anyone know how this TV handles black levels from a PC hooked up via HDMI? Does it do 0-255 or 16-235? Is there a setting for this?
post #308 of 1597
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Originally Posted by darshan_4 View Post

when are the 9500 series suppose to come out *eps in canada* anyword?

whats the difference 9500 vs 8500? other then 3d and thin bezel...

the 9500 wont be out in canada till late september.The only difference is the 9500 is 3D with a thinner frame.i got a 55 on order 8500 for extreamly less than the retail here in vancouver
post #309 of 1597
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Originally Posted by bearfun View Post

the 9500 wont be out in canada till late september.The only difference is the 9500 is 3D with a thinner frame.i got a 55 on order 8500 for extreamly less than the retail here in vancouver

O really!

im interested in getting a 8500 too, can you pm the details lol?
post #310 of 1597
I'm considering a 55" or 52" LCD TV with LED backlighting and plan to hopefully purchase by the Fall or end of year at the latest.

This is not an easy decision.

I currently have on my short list:

LG 55" 8500
Sony HX900 52" (not out yet)

Samsung UNC6500
Samsung UNC6800

The top two sets are fully LED backlit and the bottom two are edge-lit....the 6800 with "precision dimming"

I usually keep my TV's for a long time......ten years or more......and I want to make sure I choose for the long run if possible.

Even though the Sony is 3D ready, I don't really care to jump onto the 3D bandwagen right away....I'm looking a PQ.

I've always bought Sony TV's in the past and my current set is a Sony 34XBR800 CRT set.

Any suggestions, words of wisdom, etc. are greatly appreciated.
post #311 of 1597
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Originally Posted by cawgijoe View Post

I'm considering a 55" or 52" LCD TV with LED backlighting and plan to hopefully purchase by the Fall or end of year at the latest.

This is not an easy decision.

I currently have on my short list:

LG 55" 8500
Sony HX900 52" (not out yet)

Samsung UNC6500
Samsung UNC6800

The top two sets are fully LED backlit and the bottom two are edge-lit....the 6800 with "precision dimming"

I usually keep my TV's for a long time......ten years or more......and I want to make sure I choose for the long run if possible.

Even though the Sony is 3D ready, I don't really care to jump onto the 3D bandwagen right away....I'm looking a PQ.

I've always bought Sony TV's in the past and my current set is a Sony 34XBR800 CRT set.

Any suggestions, words of wisdom, etc. are greatly appreciated.

You probably won't find much help until after the Sony 900 is out and some people buy it. Right now no one can really help you.
post #312 of 1597
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Originally Posted by bearfun View Post

the 9500 wont be out in canada till late september.The only difference is the 9500 is 3D with a thinner frame.i got a 55 on order 8500 for extreamly less than the retail here in vancouver

There may be other changes such as higher refresh rate (480 vs 240), and maybe an improved screen/filter as LG is quoting different contrast ratios. Published contrast ratios are an imaginary beast, so that may be nothing but marketing. For the most part, then 9500 is a 8500 + 3D.
post #313 of 1597
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Originally Posted by cawgijoe View Post

I'm considering a 55" or 52" LCD TV with LED backlighting and plan to hopefully purchase by the Fall or end of year at the latest.

This is not an easy decision.

I currently have on my short list:

LG 55" 8500
Sony HX900 52" (not out yet)

Samsung UNC6500
Samsung UNC6800

The top two sets are fully LED backlit and the bottom two are edge-lit....the 6800 with "precision dimming"

I usually keep my TV's for a long time......ten years or more......and I want to make sure I choose for the long run if possible.

Even though the Sony is 3D ready, I don't really care to jump onto the 3D bandwagen right away....I'm looking a PQ.

I've always bought Sony TV's in the past and my current set is a Sony 34XBR800 CRT set.

Any suggestions, words of wisdom, etc. are greatly appreciated.

I'd get the Sony HX900. I don't care about 3D as well. But Sony is very reliable and should last long longer then the LG8500. Plus the LG just has to many problems for its price point.
post #314 of 1597
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cawgijoe View Post

I'm considering a 55" or 52" LCD TV with LED backlighting and plan to hopefully purchase by the Fall or end of year at the latest.

This is not an easy decision.

I currently have on my short list:

LG 55" 8500
Sony HX900 52" (not out yet)

Samsung UNC6500
Samsung UNC6800

The top two sets are fully LED backlit and the bottom two are edge-lit....the 6800 with "precision dimming"

I usually keep my TV's for a long time......ten years or more......and I want to make sure I choose for the long run if possible.

Even though the Sony is 3D ready, I don't really care to jump onto the 3D bandwagen right away....I'm looking a PQ.

I've always bought Sony TV's in the past and my current set is a Sony 34XBR800 CRT set.

Any suggestions, words of wisdom, etc. are greatly appreciated.

If picture quality is your major criterion I would focus on fully backlit LED sets with local dimming. Unfortunately for 2010 almost all LED sets are edge iit. Edge lit sets with "precision dimming" only have a few dimmed zones compared to fully backlit local dimmed sets with up to 240 zones (later this year the Toshiba Cell sets will have 512 locally dimmed zones).
post #315 of 1597
Quote:
Originally Posted by cawgijoe View Post

I'm considering a 55" or 52" LCD TV with LED backlighting and plan to hopefully purchase by the Fall or end of year at the latest.

This is not an easy decision.

I currently have on my short list:

LG 55" 8500
Sony HX900 52" (not out yet)

Samsung UNC6500
Samsung UNC6800

The top two sets are fully LED backlit and the bottom two are edge-lit....the 6800 with "precision dimming"

I usually keep my TV's for a long time......ten years or more......and I want to make sure I choose for the long run if possible.

Even though the Sony is 3D ready, I don't really care to jump onto the 3D bandwagen right away....I'm looking a PQ.

I've always bought Sony TV's in the past and my current set is a Sony 34XBR800 CRT set.

Any suggestions, words of wisdom, etc. are greatly appreciated.

Precision dimming seems to be BS. It is still edge-lit, but they added some logic to make it smarter so it is less noticable. It may be better than regular edge-lit, but it definitely can't be better than local dimming. I am also looking to purchase the Samsung UN46C6500 or the LG 47LE8500. I am leaning towards the LG because of the local dimming. I still have a lot of time before making my decision. I plan on buying a TV in Nov/Dec.

I can't go with Sony because of price. I'm pretty sure it will cost the most out of the 3. I currently have a Samsung LN52A850 (CCFL), which I'm happy with, except for some minor clouding and the contrast. I need a new TV for my room. Hopefully as more and more people buy the LG and the Samsung there will be more information and we can see how widespread some issues are. One known issue with the Samsung UN46C6500 is flash lighting, because it is edge light. Not sure about the 6800.

Also I checked the prices on Big River, and the UN46C6800 and 47LE8500 are almost the same. So it would be a better deal to get the local dimming set for the same price as the precision dimming one.
post #316 of 1597
So, I spent about 30 minutes at BB looking at the LE8500. I'm obviously not a professional reviewer but here's what I noticed.

It is very reflective, especially in a store like BB, but it did not bother me. I could really only see the reflections if I focused my eyes on them. I can definitely see this bothering some though.

The viewing angle was by far the best of any LCD in the store.

There was some very, VERY slight haloing in certain instances. It would probably be more noticeable in a dark room but I didn't consider it a major factor.

The picture had excellent color and lots of pop, good contrast and excellent definition. I was allowed to fiddle with the controls and took it out of torch mode and put it in THX Daylight.

What I really wanted to see is how bad the banding (seeing the backlight zone edges) was. In 30 minutes of looking for it I saw it exactly once and very briefly. I looked for it in blue skies, cloudy skies, underwater scenes, concert footage, a desert scene, a complex city panorama and on solid color screens. I did not notice it once even though I was looking for it. Finally, after about 20 minutes I saw it! There was a round column with sort of a dark/light checkerboard pattern on it and it was slightly shadowed because of it's roundness. It took up about 1/4 of the screen and I could faintly make out the different backlight zones in it. It was very subtle and because of the texture of the column I might have missed it if I wasn't searching for it. But, there's no doubt it was there.

So, I would say that this is not the perfect LCD. I don't think there is one yet. But, I would say it is nearly as good as anything I've seen. The only one possibly better is the Samsung B8500 which is slightly better if you're in the sweet spot of the viewing angle.

If the glossy screen is going to drive you crazy or you're going to spend your time looking for the back light zones rather than watching the content you're probably not going to enjoy this much either.
post #317 of 1597
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Originally Posted by surma884 View Post

Precision dimming seems to be BS. It is still edge-lit, but they added some logic to make it smarter so it is less noticable. It may be better than regular edge-lit, but it definitely can't be better than local dimming. I am also looking to purchase the Samsung UN46C6500 or the LG 47LE8500. I am leaning towards the LG because of the local dimming. I still have a lot of time before making my decision. I plan on buying a TV in Nov/Dec.

I can't go with Sony because of price. I'm pretty sure it will cost the most out of the 3. I currently have a Samsung LN52A850 (CCFL), which I'm happy with, except for some minor clouding and the contrast. I need a new TV for my room. Hopefully as more and more people buy the LG and the Samsung there will be more information and we can see how widespread some issues are. One known issue with the Samsung UN46C6500 is flash lighting, because it is edge light. Not sure about the 6800.

Also I checked the prices on Big River, and the UN46C6800 and 47LE8500 are almost the same. So it would be a better deal to get the local dimming set for the same price as the precision dimming one.

Thanks.

I'm also leaning towards the LG 55" because of the local dimming. I also am in no hurry and plan to buy later this year unless their is a tremendous deal.

Also waiting to see what folks think of the HX900 when it comes out.
post #318 of 1597
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Originally Posted by Andrew67 View Post

There may be other changes such as higher refresh rate (480 vs 240), and maybe an improved screen/filter as LG is quoting different contrast ratios. Published contrast ratios are an imaginary beast, so that may be nothing but marketing. For the most part, then 9500 is a 8500 + 3D.

Checkout Sears.ca here in Canada - now listing LG 55LX9500 and, I believe, the LE series as well.
post #319 of 1597
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

I'd get the Sony HX900. I don't care about 3D as well. But Sony is very reliable and should last long longer then the LG8500. Plus the LG just has to many problems for its price point.

Sony does not make any of there own tvs,and tends to exaggerate there specs.If you read the reviews on this tv in HOME THEATER MAG you will see its top notch and above any sony out there.
post #320 of 1597
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Checkout Sears.ca here in Canada - now listing LG 55LX9500 and, I believe, the LE series as well.

The 9500 is for order only and when i asked how long it would be before i got it,i was told 6 to 8 weeks before you would get it delivered.This put it at about the same time i was told end of august to september before its going to be for sale in Canada
post #321 of 1597
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Originally Posted by bearfun View Post

Sony does not make any of there own tvs,and tends to exaggerate there specs.If you read the reviews on this tv in HOME THEATER MAG you will see its top notch and above any sony out there.

So because its in home theater mag it becomes true? lol. Thats a bit silly
post #322 of 1597
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

So because its in home theater mag it becomes true? lol. Thats a bit silly

well i have seen to much sony hype for nothing.and if you did some looking or research you would see about 4 different reviews on this tv, all very good reviews.What professional or scientific backing do you have to disprove all the other findings.Are you a electronics tech or engineer of some sort?This is for people considering this tv not for some SONY FANBOY trolling rooms for there own personal fulfillment.
post #323 of 1597
I am waiting for the HX900 52" to come out before making any kind of a decision on a TV.

Sony has always been my brand. If I wanted the best, I went and bought an XBR. Things have changed. I really would like to see Sony reclaim the crown, but that's up to them, not me.

I didn't think I would ever consider LG, but even with the issues that this TV may have, the Infinia 55" is on the top of my list along with the yet to be released 52" HX900.

I am now looking at other variables such as reliability and customer service. I know Sony, I don't know LG. Failure rates are pretty low across the major manufacturers, but I would like to know if anyone has had to deal with customer service with LG and how that went.
post #324 of 1597
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

The LG 8500 DOES have MANY defects. And honestly. One to many to be sold for its price point.

Can you list the defects with the LG? I need to know about them.
post #325 of 1597
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Originally Posted by surma884 View Post

Can you list the defects with the LG? I need to know about them.

The main issue with this set is Zone banding. A bunch of vertical white lines from top to bottom of the screen. Local dimming is good but there tends to be little blocks of white light when viewing like a space scene and what not. Some dislike the reflective screen. Although i like it. But It tends to be to reflective for others. Like putting a mirror in front of you bad. Audio sync issues tend to be a problem as well. But that's just LG. Not this certain TV. Build quality wise the TV's do seem well built. Sturdy. But as I've said. This Tv has to many issues to be sold for its current price tag. Remove zone banding. Then it'd be a maybe.
post #326 of 1597
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

The main issue with this set is Zone banding. A bunch of vertical white lines from top to bottom of the screen. Local dimming is good but there tends to be little blocks of white light when viewing like a space scene and what not. Some dislike the reflective screen. Although i like it. But It tends to be to reflective for others. Like putting a mirror in front of you bad. Audio sync issues tend to be a problem as well. But that's just LG. Not this certain TV. Build quality wise the TV's do seem well built. Sturdy. But as I've said. This Tv has to many issues to be sold for its current price tag. Remove zone banding. Then it'd be a maybe.

Are there any pics somewhere that show what zone banding looks like?
post #327 of 1597
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cawgijoe View Post

Are there any pics somewhere that show what zone banding looks like?

Early in this thread happynightmares has photos from an extreme angle that shows the banding. From straight-on the banding is hard to see and even harder to photograph. I've tried unsuccessfully.
post #328 of 1597
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Originally Posted by OrangeKid View Post

Early in this thread happynightmares has photos from an extreme angle that shows the banding. From straight-on the banding is hard to see and even harder to photograph. I've tried unsuccessfully.

I believe this was the thread where he posted his pics. Page 12.
post #329 of 1597
Thread Starter 
Here is the review of the LG 47LE8500 from the June 2010 issue of Home Theater Magazine:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/flat-p...8500_lcd_hdtv/
post #330 of 1597
THE LG 8500 47 AND 55 are now in vancouver.B.C .
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