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Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America Announces Its 2010 Large Screen 3D DLP Home Cinema TVs

New Immersive Sound Technology and Streaming Internet Media Bolster 3D TV Experience

IRVINE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc. (MDEA) today announced its 2010 line-up of large screen 3D1 DLP® Home Cinema TVs, which integrate 16-speaker 5.1 channel Dolby® Digital surround sound and internet media streaming capability, delivering the ultimate 3D home entertainment experience. Offering the most 3D TVs in the industry, MDEA brings an unparalleled, immersive 3D experience home with its cinema-like 60, 65, 73 and mammoth 82-inch screen sizes.

MDEA has been selling 3D-ready TVs since 2007, was the first to demonstrate 3D TV at retail, and has been showcasing 3D directly to consumers for over two years running. The 2010 line-up represents the fourth generation of 3D-ready TVs from MDEA. Its large screen 3D DLP Home Cinema TVs utilize the same core DLP technology that is used in the vast majority of 3D movie theaters. DLP technology is up to 1,000 times faster than LCD technology, providing for a more realistic, sharper 2D and 3D viewing experience.

“3D is a large screen, immersive experience, and we’re proud to offer consumers the most affordable line-up of 3D TVs available today, in cinema-like 60, 65, 73, and 82-inch screen sizes,” said Max Wasinger, executive vice president of sales and marketing, Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America. “3D represents the highest level and most advanced form of home entertainment, and we clearly see our 3D DLP Home Cinema TVs playing a key role in meeting consumers craving for the best, most advanced 3D home theater experience.”

Ultimate in Home Entertainment

Significant, new feature enhancements for 2010 3D DLP Home Cinema TVs include StreamTV™ Internet Media and Immersive Sound Technology. StreamTV™ enables instant access to an extensive library of high quality entertainment and social media content, featuring over 100 different applications including Vudu movies, Pandora, Flickr, Picasa, Facebook, Associated Press, The New York Times and more.

The newly integrated Immersive Sound Technology utilizes a 16-speaker 5.1 channel Dolby® Digital surround sound system to deliver perfectly balanced home theater audio, without the need for separate components. Diamond 838 models of MDEA 3D DLP Home Cinema TVs now join 3D sound with a brilliant 3D picture, for the ultimate in home entertainment.

All 638, 738, and Diamond 838 series 3D DLP Home Cinema TV models for 2010 include 3D DLP Link, Brilliant/Bright/Natural and Game Modes, Plush 1080p, 3 HDMI with CEC, HDMI-PC Compatibility, 2 Component/Composite Video Inputs, and MDEA’s exclusive 6-Color Processor™ which provides significantly more color reproduction than typical flat panel TVs.

The MDEA 738 series is available in 60, 65, 73, and 82-inch screen sizes, and offers StreamTV™ Internet Media, USB Wireless N Network Adapter Compatibility, Plush 1080p 5G 12-bit Video processor, Smooth120, EdgeEnhance™, DeepField Imager™, Advanced Video Calibration, and Universal Remote Control.

MDEA’s Diamond 838 series boasts three premium 3D DLP Home Cinema TVs in 65, 73, and 82-inch screen sizes. In addition to all features within the 638 and 738 series, each Diamond model includes 16-Speaker Immersive Sound Technology with 32W total system power, Bluetooth® A2DP Audio Streaming, Center Channel Mode, Surround Channel Outputs, Subwoofer Output, Dark Detailer, PerfectColor™, PerfecTint™, ISFccc® Advanced Video Adjustments, 4 HDMI with CEC, NetCommand, and Wired IR Input.

“With the advent of the unprecedented box office success of 3D feature films such as Avatar and Alice in Wonderland, it is clear that consumers have fully embraced the large screen 3D experience,” said Frank DeMartin, vice president of marketing, Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America. “The thrill of 3D is to feel as though you are a part of the action, and our mammoth 82-inch 3D DLP Home Cinema TV delivers that immersive experience in the home by featuring three to four times the viewing area of a small screen 46-inch flat panel 3D TV.”

Availability and Suggested Retail Pricing

638 Series

WD-60638 - $1,199.00 WD-65638 - $1,499.00 WD-73638 - $1,999.00

738 Series

WD-60738 - $1,399.00 WD-65738 - $1,799.00 WD-73738 - $2,399.00
WD-82738 - $3,799.00

838 Series

WD-65838 - $2,199.00 WD-73838 - $2,799.00 WD-82838 - $4,499.00


About Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc.

Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc., manufactures and markets a comprehensive line of premium quality 1080p 3D DLP Home Cinema TVs and Unisen™ Immersive Sound LED TVs, along with the world’s first laser TV: LaserVue®. Recognized as the world leader and innovator of large display high-definition televisions, Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America builds products that lead the industry in quality, performance and ease-of-use. For additional information about MDEA, visit www.mitsubishi-tv.com.

LaserVue is a registered trademark of Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc. Unisen, StreamTV, 6-Color Processor, EdgeEnhance, DeepField Imager, PerfectColor, PerfecTint are trademarks of Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc. DLP is a trademark of Texas Instruments. Dolby and Dolby Digital are registered trademarks of Dolby Laboratories.

¹Mitsubishi 3DTVs (738 and 838 series) currently support the side-by-side 3D signal format. For support of other 3D formats, such as top-bottom and frame packing (3D Blu Ray standard), Mitsubishi 3DTVs will require the use of a 3D source device that outputs the 3D checkerboard format or a 3D source device coupled with the Mitsubishi 3D adapter. In all cases an emitter and matching 3D active shutter glasses or DLP Link active shutter glasses are required in order to view 3D content.

In order to display 3D images, Mitsubishi 3D Ready DLP Home Cinema TVs require the use of a 3D source device coupled with the Mitsubishi 3D adapter or other source devices that support checkerboard display formats for display of 3D games, 3D broadcasts from terrestrial/cable/satellite and 3D Blu-Ray disc content. In all cases an emitter and matching 3D active shutter glasses or DLP Link active shutter glasses are required in order to view 3D content.

The Mitsubishi 3D Adapter may be used to display 3D content only when connected to a Mitsubishi 3D Ready TV or a Mitsubishi 3D TV. A 3D source device coupled with the Mitsubishi 3D adapter is required to support display of 3D games, 3D broadcasts from terrestrial/cable/satellite and 3D Blu-Ray disc content.
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Interesting...it would appear their newer "3DTVs" support side-by-side format, while their legacy "3D-ready" sets support checkerboard.
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Interesting...it would appear their newer "3DTVs" support side-by-side format, while their legacy "3D-ready" sets support checkerboard.

I think 738 & 838 series support both SbS & CB.
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I think the new 3DTVs support both SbS & CB.

The older DLP RPTVs supported only checkerboard.

The older 3D-ready plasmas supported checkerboard, line interlaced, and column interlaced.

If nothing else, we are going to need to be more careful about how we refer to 3D capable DLP RPTVs. The term "checkerboard" has unfortunately become somewhat synonymous with them.
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

I think 738 & 838 series support both SbS & CB.

From the presser:

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Mitsubishi 3DTVs (738 and 838 series) currently support the side-by-side 3D signal format. For support of other 3D formats, such as top-bottom and frame packing (3D Blu Ray standard), Mitsubishi 3DTVs will require the use of a 3D source device that outputs the 3D checkerboard format or a 3D source device coupled with the Mitsubishi 3D adapter.
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From the presser:

My interpretation is all the 3DTVs support checkerboard sources without the adapter, and the 738 & 838 also support SbS without the adapter.

Agree, disagree, other?
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My interpretation is all the 3DTVs support checkerboard sources without the adapter, and the 738 & 838 also support SbS without the adapter.

Agree, disagree, other?

Agree
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The older DLP RPTVs supported only checkerboard.

The older 3D-ready plasmas supported checkerboard, line interlaced, and column interlaced.

Yes, I'm aware of that.

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If nothing else, we are going to need to be more careful about how we refer to 3D capable DLP RPTVs. The term "checkerboard" has unfortunately become somewhat synonymous with them.

Since that's how DLP RPTVs process 3D, it's not a surprise some confusion may exist.

If I were Mitsubishi, I would offer a special deal on the 3DC-1000 for all new 3DTVs; that way the customer is covered for all possible sources.

My guess is they feel for many customers, specifically those with cable and DBS (SbS 3D), and those who buy a BD player with CB or SbS output, they won't need an adapter with the new 738 & 838 series.
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Please post all questions regarding Mitsubishi in this topic, and I should be able to get answers direct from the source in the next few days.
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Please post all questions regarding Mitsubishi in this topic, and I should be able to get answers direct from the source in the next few days.

Okay, here's one:

If the new sets do support both SbS and CB 3D input, will there be any image quality differences between the two?
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Agree
They want to support all of the cable and satellite SBS 3D broadcasts
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Okay, here's one:

If the new sets do support both SbS and CB 3D input, will there be any image quality differences between the two?

To the best of my knowledge, the term 'support' does not change how the DLP will display the 3D images, meaning there will be an internal conversion from SbS to CB; exactly as the external adapter will do for the other DLP 3DTVs.

If that's correct, then the quality of the source will determine image quality, not the display, in this case. At least to the extent the approach the DLP 3DTVs are using compared to other 3DTVs; e.g. Plasma, LCD.

We'll see what they say.
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

To the best of my knowledge, the term 'support' does not change how the DLP will display the 3D images, meaning there will be an internal conversion from SbS to CB; exactly as the external adapter will do for the other DLP 3DTVs.

If that's correct, then the quality of the source will determine image quality, not the display, in this case.

It seems to me that the quality of the conversion will matter as well. Checkerboard, done right, requires pixel subsampling -- it's not just pixel reorganization. Different algorithms could produce different results.

There could be potential quality differences in the final image depending upon where in the pipeline checkerboard conversion takes place: in the Blu-ray player, in a converter, or in the tv.
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It seems to me that the quality of the conversion will matter as well. Checkerboard, done right, requires pixel subsampling. Different subsampling algorithms will produce different results.

Right, but since the only way a 3DTV DLP can do 3D (at least for now) is CB, so the impact on different sources is all the same, except for a source that does CB on it's own, like some of the BD players.

Since BD should have additional advantages from a bandwidth perspective, it should look better anyway. I think.

A lot of this is nothing more than speculation, and regardless of what anyone says, we'll have to see it to know for sure.

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There could be potential quality differences in the final image depending upon where in the pipeline checkerboard conversion takes place: in the Blu-ray player, in a converter, or in the tv.

I agree about BD, but for other sources, I'd bet Mitsu will use the exact same approach and technology for the internal processing on the 738 & 838 series as the 3DC-1000. Why would they reinvent the wheel?

Again, I will ask.
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Hmm... The 638 Series is refreshingly affordable. I just might have to pick up that 60"er. I wonder what the quality difference is between models?
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I got a second chance to see a Mitsubishi DLP rear pro demo today. It was running from a computer with nVidia glasses. I saw the same demo about 3 weeks ago in a different Ultimate Electronics store here in St. Louis. It was awful, with the TV set up facing the store entrance. There was incredible glare and reflection. I saw significant ghosting throughout the demo. Today, the demo setting was the best I've seen of many stores doing 3D in my area. It was in a dark corner of the store, with lights dimmed and no other TVs facing the Mits. The difference was astonishing. I saw virtually no ghosting. Although I saw a bit of rainbow effect in both demos, it wasn't nearly as noticeable today as the first time. The 3D effect today (and the 3D glasses) were good enough to make me want to see more when the Mits adapter is available. I doubt I'd be as satisfied with the effect as on a plasma, but it's worth investigating. There's no way I can get an 82" plasma, but a 82" DLP is doable. Screen size makes a huge difference with 3D.
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Anyone have a clue when these will come out?
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Anyone have a clue when these will come out?

According to this website they all will be available May 2010:

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Mi...-DLP-TVs.shtml
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anyword if the iris can be shut on and off unlike the current models? for the 838 series which has an auto iris. and im glad these support side byside instead of just checker board 3d, will the 2010 dlps due full 1080p 3d? and what about hdmi. will be be 1.3 or 1.4 for the 838 series??

so far im interested in the 82 inch 738 but if the 838 auto iris can be turned off then the 838 wins for me. but im waiting to see some real world pricing and not just retail. although retail price is $500 less than last years
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anyword if the iris can be shut on and off unlike the current models? for the 838 series which has an auto iris. and im glad these support side byside instead of just checker board 3d, will the 2010 dlps due full 1080p 3d? and what about hdmi. will be be 1.3 or 1.4 for the 838 series??

so far im interested in the 82 inch 738 but if the 838 auto iris can be turned off then the 838 wins for me. but im waiting to see some real world pricing and not just retail. although retail price is $500 less than last years

There are no specs or PDFs on these new DLP RPTVs at Mit's website. The model numbers don't even register yet.

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/
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Hhmmm... I seem to recall reading on the Texas Instruments site that their mirror DLP system is "checkerboard".

So Mits 2010 DLP series has a built in converter. Those of us with earlier Mits DLP models (that are 3D ready) should get the same results with the forthcoming external transmitter needed for 3D anyway. Needless to say, you still need the shutter glasses.
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wil shutter glasses be needed or can the mits use polarized glasses (if then wouldnt the real d ones you get from the movie theater due the job?)
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You will need the Shutter glasses and a transmitter (latest 3D TV's are built in) for home 3D TV.

The home version uses a different method for 3D than the method used in most movie theaters.
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i use a older 65"mit on a computer for 3d. I am mainly a computer gamer. my tv is used for my computer monitor on my entertainment system. zero ghosting, tons of pop out! better effect than theater 3d for me (i can control how much depth and convergence i want- so i can really crank up the 3d) im really happy with my set for only 1000$ shipped to my house. i personally do not see any difference switching from 2d 1080p to halved 1080p 3d. Maybe there is a technical difference but my eyes cannot see any. maybe its just because the 3d is so immersion. hopefully the 2010s support true 1080p 3d to silence the naysayers!

Really im of the opinion that the only place the new 3d tvs have a advantage is the 1080 3d BD format. The computers have 3d BD already supported on software- so i wont need the converter just the software and a actual 3d BD disk- but im still stuck with checkerboard 3d.

If you are a gamer- you can only use 720p- for consuls and pc -on the new 1.4a 3d tv's! My pc is high end- i dont want to go back to 720! 1080p is allot nicer to look at for games. consuls cannot game at this resolution but the pc's can run this resolution with tons of eye candy effects!

Personally im not upgrading until someone sells a true 1080p projector that i can run on my pc to a huge screen.

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?a...=post&id=21413
a picture of my system.
post #25 of 64
Hmmm, wonder how low the prices on last years models will go and when they get the massive clearance out price cuts? The 82" would be awesome.
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Information from Mitsubishi:

- All Mitsubishi 3D ready DLPs are compatible with DLP Link glasses, and all 3D ready DLP's have the 3D Port for external emitter use. This includes 3D ready DLP sets dating back to 2007 model year products.

- Information regarding the 3DC-1000 adapter has not changed, meaning the price and date of availability is not yet released. They did say when the adapter is available in late spring, it will be at a wide variety of sources including retail and from Mitsubishi directly.

- There is no difference in performance between using an adapter with 3D ready DLPs and one of the new 738 & 838 series DLPs with internal 3D checkerboard conversion. The example given was to take two identical SbS sources, and run them both into a 738 or 838 set, one using the 3DC-1000 adapter (bypassing internal processing), one going directly in with no adapter; they would look identical.

- Any source that can output checkerboard 3D, like the recently available Panasonic BD player, can be used with any of the Mitsubishi 3D ready DLP sets without the 3DC-1000 adapter.

- All LaserVue sets are 3D ready and again like the DLPs can be used without the 3DC-1000 adapter from a checkerboard source, and will require the 3DC-1000 otherwise. LaserVue is the future for Mitsubishi 3D & HD.

- Mitsubishi will have additional news as the year goes on regarding their 3D efforts.

- More to come on Mitsubishi 3D shortly.
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Ken, someone else asked the question before but I didn't see an answer. What about HDMI? I assume the newer TV's will have 1.4 but their pdf's say 1.3.
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- All LaserVue sets are 3D ready and again like the DLPs can be used without the 3DC-1000 adapter from a checkerboard source, and will require the 3DC-1000 otherwise. LaserVue is the future for Mitsubishi 3D & HD.

I have a commitment from a local Ultimate Electronics salesman that as soon as he gets a Panasonic 3D Blu-ray player, I can come over for a 3D demo on the Mits Laservue. I think Best Buy has an exclusive on Panasonic 3D Blu-ray players until June, but that info may be wrong. At any rate, when the player is available at that UE, I'll be heading over to look at the Monsters vs Aliens disc and the Panasonic demo disc. Of course, that set is $4,000, even on clearance sale right now, and it's last year's model (as well as being half-res checkerboard 3D, and only a bit less money than an equal-size 65" Full HD 3D plasma display). One thing about the Laservue is that I've never seen rainbows with it at all, unlike their lamp-based DLPs. I also plan to take a look at one of their 73" lamp-based DLP Mits units. Brand new, that would cost considerably less than the Laservue, and the bigger screen would make the 3D more immersive.
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Originally Posted by Paul_Seng View Post

Ken, someone else asked the question before but I didn't see an answer. What about HDMI? I assume the newer TV's will have 1.4 but their pdf's say 1.3.

1.3 is correct for the sets mentioned in the press release.
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anyword if the iris can be shut on and off unlike the current models? for the 838 series which has an auto iris.

This applies to all Mitsu DLP sets: It's erroneous to believe the auto iris can be shut off. There is a service menu control for it, but as soon as you exit the service mode, regardless of where you leave the setting, the set will revert back to auto iris on.
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