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post #1 of 73
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This thread will provide information and reviews on pro audio and pro audio oriented speakers that deliver the ultimate cinema experience in a home theater and for music. I ask all members who have experience with using these speakers in a home theater to give your input. Please provide any links you may have of companies, threads or posts you think will help this thread and I'll add them to the long list on the first page.

Hopefully, we can give everyone a better understanding of what's available for you if you want the unltimate theater experience in your home and even a better musical experience.

Some of may ask, "What are the advantages of using pro speakers?"

1. Pro speakers usually offer higher sensitivities, which will require less amplification to hit your desired SPL.

2. Pro speakers have higher power handling capabilities, which means you'll have much more headroom with the appropriate amplification. This along with the above point means you'll be able to hit reference levels with little to no distortion. Reference levels sound a lot less loud when they aren't accompanied by high distortion levels.

3. They are built to be pushed to higher levels and can handle them for long periods without falling apart.

4. Most pro speakers offer directivity/pattern control, which will help to minimize reflections in your room. Pattern control is much more important than most people realize.

5. Most pro companies provide the proper specifications and let you know the conditions that they were taken in. This will give you a better indication of what you can expect when you get them home.

6. They offer much more value for your dollar. There's almost no equivalent in the same price range when comparing pro speakers to consumer audio/audiophile speakers, dollarerformance.

The only real con of pro speakers is the aesthetics. They're usually utiliterian looking black boxes. However, companies like Seaton Sound, JTR and even Danley offer custom veneer options that can help blend into most decors.
post #2 of 73
Thread Starter 
Danley Sound Labs
http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/

DIY DTS 10 thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1189404

DTS 10 thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1199862

New SM60 thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1206901

SH 95 thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1126835

DTS20 thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1055559

Seaton Sound
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/

Submersive thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=759877

Speaker thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1163005

Catalyst thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1094517

BladeRnR 5.2 Seaton package review on the DTV forum
http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=87579&st=0

JTR Speakers
http://jtrspeakers.com/

Speaker thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1165099

Captivator thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1186832

Growler Duo thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1186832

Fugueness' review of his T12LF LCR
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1062777

RMK's system going from Revel's to JTR's
http://jtrspeakers.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3381992

JBL Pro Cinema Series
http://www.jblpro.com/products/cinema/index.html

Pro Cinema Speaker threads
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archi.../t-694822.html
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1174657

JBL LSR2300 Studio Monitors
http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/Genera...x?FId=73&MId=5

Klipsch
http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/product...x?viewall=true
http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/thx-ultra2/

QSC Digital Cinema Speakers
http://www.qscaudio.com/products/speakers/dcs/dcs.htm

Professional Home Cinema
http://www.professionalhomecinema.com/

Meyer Sound
http://www.meyersound.com

Genelec
http://www.genelec.com

Speaker Selection Guide
http://www.genelec-ht.com/learning-c...lection-guide/

Dynaudio Professional
http://www.dynaudio.com/eng/prof/index.php

Quested
http://www.quested.com

Behringer
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/

Procella Audio
http://www.procella-audio.com

PMC Ltd.
http://www.pmc-speakers.com
post #3 of 73
Thread Starter 
Reserved for room size speaker recomendations.
post #4 of 73
Good thread!

It should be noted though, that just because a speaker is PRO and can handle high SPL, does not guarantee anything in terms of sound quality. I guess the JTR triple 8's are about $1K a speaker and are a good indication on how much you have to spend (at minimum) to get into a high fidelity high SPL speaker. Unfortunately those $500 PA speakers at Guitar Center don't really cut it.
post #5 of 73
Thread Starter 
^ Thanks Steve.

There are some great studio monitors from Behringer that are under $500 for those who need smaller speakers. They come in active and passive versions. I wasn't talking about all pro speakers, but the ones that will work for home cinema use.
post #6 of 73
I think you should add a few more brands albeit some of them are quite pricey.


Meyer Sound

http://www.meyersound.com


Genelec

http://www.genelec.com


Dynaudio Professional

http://www.dynaudio.com


Quested

http://www.quested.com


Procella Audio

http://www.procella-audio.com


PMC Ltd.

http://www.pmc-speakers.com
post #7 of 73
This thread is a good initiative. I hope it becomes a good resource for knowledge and experience with the mentioned brands.
post #8 of 73
Don't forget these



I bet we could categorize various speakers.

Small Rooms

Klipsch THX ultra 2
Danley SH-mini
Seaton sparks

Medium Rooms

Seaton sparks
Danley SH-100's, 95's
JTR triple 8

Large rooms

Seaton Catalysts
Danley SM-60, SH-50
JTR triple 12, Q8
JBL pro 3731
QSC pro
Klipsch jubilee

Of course you could use the bigger speakers in smaller rooms but just an idea.
post #9 of 73
Thread Starter 
Thanks Haroon. I added the links to the list.
post #10 of 73
Thread Starter 
True MK. I added Klipsch to the list.

I will try to organize the products later.
post #11 of 73
If we do this, what are the basic sizes that classify there?

Large 20x30 and larger?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Don't forget these



I bet we could categorize various speakers.

Small Rooms

Klipsch THX ultra 2
Danley SH-mini
Seaton sparks

Medium Rooms

Seaton sparks
Danley SH-100's, 95's
JTR triple 8

Large rooms

Seaton Catalysts
Danley SM-60, SH-50
JTR triple 12, Q8
JBL pro 3731
QSC pro
Klipsch jubilee

Of course you could use the bigger speakers in smaller rooms but just an idea.
post #12 of 73
Good thread. I don't know why none of us thought about doing this a long time ago. Do you think there should be some links to some of the DIY speakers builds using waveguides and pro drivers? The Econowave is probably the cheapest way to get get there.
post #13 of 73
Great thread David. May I suggest you add the term "music" to the thread title? IMO, one of sticking points for greater acceptance of pro-based loudspeakers for the home is that they are ONLY good for HT. If I hear one more person claim 2 channel is the private reserve of so-called hifi speakers I'm going to scream. LOL.

Chris
post #14 of 73
Great thread start Dbuudo07. Great timing too!!! Just starting to look at these types of speakers for my soon to be H/T room. I have a lot of 'regular' speakers already and though I like them I'm liking the idea of ugly black boxes that I can hide behind a screen much better (function over form).

I'll be following this thread closely!!!
post #15 of 73
Very informative collection of threads! good job
post #16 of 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hudda View Post

Great thread David. May I suggest you add the term "music" to the thread title? IMO, one of sticking points for greater acceptance of pro-based loudspeakers for the home is that they are ONLY good for HT. If I hear one more person claim 2 channel is the private reserve of so-called hifi speakers I'm going to scream. LOL.

Chris

Totally true.

My JTR's sound great with music and are a great value compared to way overpriced "hi-fi" stuff
post #17 of 73
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone. I planned this thread awhile ago, but never got around to starting it.

I understand the musical requests and I hope those who give their reviews will include it in their write up. I added it to the opening post.

I think we should come to an agreement on room sizes. I propose the following:

Small room = 1500 cu. ft. or less

Medium room = 1501 cu. ft. - 3000 cu. ft.

Large rooms = 3001 cu. ft. and up

Let me know what you think and I'll start working on it. It'll take some time, but I'm determined to get it done.

If you guys have written, or read reviews on any of the speakers mentioned, please post them on this thread so we can compile large database for others to use.
post #18 of 73
Thread Starter 
Thank you Fugueness for the links you sent me in the PM. I added them to the list.
post #19 of 73
Here is RMK's thread about going from Revel to JTR.
http://jtrspeakers.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3381992
post #20 of 73
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Originally Posted by Dbuudo07 View Post

Thanks everyone. I planned this thread awhile ago, but never got around to starting it.

I understand the musical requests and I hope those who give their reviews will include it in their write up. I added it to the opening post.

I think we should come to an agreement on room sizes. I propose the following:

Small room = 1500 cu. ft. or less

Medium room = 1501 cu. ft. - 3000 cu. ft.

Large rooms = 3001 cu. ft. and up

Let me know what you think and I'll start working on it. It'll take some time, but I'm determined to get it done.

If you guys have written, or read reviews on any of the speakers mentioned, please post them on this thread so we can compile large database for others to use.


I think the sizes should be increased a little bit. This is just a vague reference from the Genelec website.

http://www.genelec-ht.com/learning-c...lection-guide/


Small Room - up to 2,500 cu ft.

Medium Room - 2,500 - 5,500 cu ft.

Large Room - 5,500 - 7,500 cu ft.

Very Large Room - 7,500 cu ft. and above
post #21 of 73
Also what about pro audio amps what work well with these speakers.
Its good to know which combos play nice together.
post #22 of 73
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Originally Posted by googlegod View Post

Also what about pro audio amps what work well with these speakers.
Its good to know which combos play nice together.


If a speaker has dips in the impedance curve then make sure the amp can drive low impedance loads.

If you want X SPL from the speaker get Y Watts.

Other small factors in picking amps...Output impedance numbers matter, slew rates matter, accurately measured power ratings matter and so on.

Audiophile types seem to think there are "combos that play nice" when its all just audio science and common sense.

We use common formulas to make our decisions, imagine that
post #23 of 73
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

If a speaker has dips in the impedance curve then make sure the amp can drive low impedance loads.

If you want X SPL from the speaker get Y Watts.

Other small factors in picking amps...Output impedance numbers matter, slew rates matter, accurately measured power ratings matter and so on.

Audiophile types seem to think there are "combos that play nice" when its all just audio science and common sense.

We use common formulas to make our decisions, imagine that

With some of the more supper efficient speaker it's gets harder to find a lower powered amplifier that does not hiss like a mofo. You need to look at signal to noise ratio (s/n). I've had good luck with the Crown D-45/75/150. They are fan-less broadcast quality pro amps at a (somewhat) reasonable cost. They are also not too hard to find used on ebay.
post #24 of 73
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Originally Posted by steve71 View Post

With some of the more supper efficient speaker it's gets harder to find a lower powered amplifier that does not hiss like a mofo. You need to look at signal to noise ratio (s/n). I've had good luck with the Crown D-45/75/150. They are fan-less broadcast quality pro amps at a (somewhat) reasonable cost. They are also not too hard to find used on ebay.

better yet get active pros
post #25 of 73
Yeah if it's an option active could be the way to go. I'm using three of those Crown D series amps in an active three way setup and it was a hassle to find amps that worked well.
post #26 of 73
Thanks David for the great thread! I would add Professional Home Cinema to the list. They are very expensive, but I heard their top of the line setup with their 21" subs and the largest(6 feet tall or so) horn LCR's a few years back at a local home theater show and it was pretty incredible. For 275K it better be though! Of course if it were my money, I would probably go the route of Seaton Sound or Danley Labs, but PHC definitely belongs in this conversation:
http://www.professionalhomecinema.com/
post #27 of 73
I would not leave out the JBL Pro LSR speakers. Despite being studio monitors, frankly a good speaker is a good speaker. I believe Sean Olive would agree if he happens by. I have the JBL LSR 6325 and for small room or surround duties they are excellent. The LSR 6328 is a step up and hardly anyone that has them wants to part with them (I know I can't get a bite for a wanted use ones ad on Audiogon). The one guy that did respond just could not part with them.
post #28 of 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve71 View Post

With some of the more supper efficient speaker it's gets harder to find a lower powered amplifier that does not hiss like a mofo. You need to look at signal to noise ratio (s/n). I've had good luck with the Crown D-45/75/150. They are fan-less broadcast quality pro amps at a (somewhat) reasonable cost. They are also not too hard to find used on ebay.

That is my current issue actually. I have to maybe spend bigger $$ because Im definitely getting the hiss in my new build. I have Lpad them down 8 dB but there is that famous hiss in those CDs.

Thanks for The Crown suggestion!
post #29 of 73
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Originally Posted by hd_newbie View Post

better yet get active pros

But the hiss is still there for any high sensitivity tweeter. Its definitely my big current project to solve that problem.

It might cost me $$$ to solve it with higher end amps that have lower S/N.
post #30 of 73
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

But the hiss is still there for any high sensitivity tweeter. Its definitely my big current project to solve that problem.

It might cost me $$$ to solve it with higher end amps that have lower S/N.

Maybe 98db isn't high sensitivity but my quintuples are silent with an onkyo 805 driving them
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