2-Channel Analog Interconnects/Speaker Cables - Page 18

Yes, you have. You do not know what cables Skywalker Sound studio uses.
"I'll name three"

Do you have that email handy from Skywalker?

I have also seen pics of one of the studios. Chord Electronics and B&W speakers as well. Are you saying MIT is fibbing?

You have demonstrated a marked lack of reading comprehension. Giz asked for a studio to be named, NOT three cables.

I am done responding to your zero content, pointless, circular posts.

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When i sent the query to Skywalker Sound, I waited about a week to get a response. I had explained in my email that SS was used as an example on a public forum of a consumer of the mega buck cables. I stated that basically I just wanted to know if there was any truth at all. The response was short but polite and also asked that I (we) not involve them in this type of situation as they did not have the time or interest in getting into debate.

They were interested to get the name of this forum and anywhere else I had seen anyone using them as a testimonial customer. I would assume for probable legal action.

I have not spoken to anyone there, the correspondence was solely by email.

Mmmm, hmmm. A likely story.

A simple google search would show that the information you sought from SS is all over the web. It isn't some big secret.

Too bad about that email getting lost. Gosh, I hope SS doesn't go after MIT.

Mmmm, hmmm. A likely story.

A simple google search would show that the information you sought from SS is all over the web. It isn't some big secret. There a few companies that claim SS uses their gear, I stated 2 more of them previously.

Too bad about that email getting lost. Gosh, I hope SS doesn't go after MIT. Or B&W. Or Chord Electronics.

You seem a tad confused here.(as usual) If anyone including me, touts their positive experience with a given manufacturer, that is a legit endorsement.

If someone with name recognition (i.e. SkywalkerSound or someone POSING as them or acting as a spokesman) is claimed by a manufacturer to be endorsing a product they do NOT in fact use, then you have a problem.

Wonder how Canare, Mogami and Belden feel about testimonials.

BTW, I know one of the guys in the testimonial link I posted. He has been to SS and has seen the cables. Listened to that system I mentioned, too. I have seen his pics of the system, and more pics are online.

Looks like the relationship has been going on a while, since 1998. It says that SS contacted MIT. Of course, feel free to doubt this, as I am sure you will. There is tons of info online backing this up, though.

http://www.mitcables.com/mit-at-the-movies.html

http://www.mitcables.com/pdf/mit_movies.pdf

So much for the claims that "NO RECORDING FACILITY USES 'EXOTIC' CABLES".

Surprising that I would have to look this up for you pro sound guys... or is it?

Guys, pay close attention the the SS company letterhead, and the mention of tests and measurements.

1998? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
BTW there is a LOT on line about the MIT cables with the cute little boxes on the end. Some have opened the box to find nothing more than a 100k 1/2 w carbon resistor that will do absolutely zero to a speaker level signal. Another had absolutely NOTHING in the box. It was just a clever design idea to be used as a feed through- no components at all.

Tess you have stated ad ad nauseum that mega buck cables are so wonderful and not one time EVER have you provided any technical proof. The only response you have is that some mystical signal presents itself than cannot be measured. You are not alone in this Ol Joe S does the same as does most every other snake oil purveyor.

Just for a change of pace, use Google and find some actual, factual test results for ANY esoteric cable.i don't care who.

Just ads and bragging by the manufacturer, is in no way "tons of info online backing this up". All it really is, is just nothing more than advertising by the manufacturer!

You keep repeating this, but offer no proof. Show us the insides of the MIT cables that SS uses, don't just tell us nothing is there and claim the networks do nothing. Incredible that I have given you this proof and you deny it still. But not surprising, not at all.

Time and again, I hear this from you. "There is nothing in the box. There is something in the box, but it does nothing. There is something in the box and it does horrible things to the signal." In actuality, you have no clue what the purpose of the network is, nor how they are constructed. Keep in mind, MIT's product line is vast, there are many different itinerations of the networks. Some of those "cute little boxes" are quite large and heavy. You are speaking about a topic you know nothing about.


You want to show me a post where I claim how wonderful "exotic" cables are? I have always said that cables come last, after speakers, electronics, room tunes, positioning, etc, etc. I have also stated REPEATEDLY that the difference is subtle.

You and others have been overstating my claims time and again. Back it up.

Then call up SS and explain to them the error of their ways. (Tell them to look inside the box... it's empty!)

Are you saying the company letterhead is fake, and so are the SS employee testimonials? Have you bothered to google search the info? Apparently not. There is indeed a lot of it.

Next... Try Spectral Audio, more MIT endorsements.

Since you have been unable(willing) to provide any actual info, attached is a sample page of the specs for a Mogami speaker cable series. Most expensive cable is about a 1.10 /ft

http://www.mogamicable.com/Bulk/micr.../speaker2.html

Lemme help you out. It was a diode on an entry level network from 15 years ago. Not a resistor that does absolutely nothing. Cost for the cable was, what, $50? The networks get increasingly complicated as you move up the line.

There is a lot of online slandering of MIT, but that is what it is, slander and fabrications, like that one pic of the network you commented on in the MIT cable lending thread. That pic was a phony.

Much to learn, maybe you should take a break from the AVS 2 Channel forum and see what else is going on. The world is out there.

I am done for the evening. In the face of evidence, you are still in denial. Let it soak in a bit.

MIT can't even really be called cable, can it? Now I think it is you that is confused. I don't have any info for you Giz, and you know this when you ask for it, so what is your point? You claim that all wires sound alike anyway.

The measurements that Bruce does are proprietary and are not made public. Why would he just give you or his competition 30 years of work? Are you aware he is in competition with another similar company called Transparent Audio? Are you aware that Transparent used to make MIT cables and that they had a falling out?

Then again, it wouldn't be so hard for you, or anyone else to grab a set of his cables and measure them, would it?

BTW, I have been watching JPS move up quite rapidly. Manufacturers and consumers are very happy with their products. Go check out what they are saying.

From the Mogami site: It says...."They offer true audiophile performance" What does that mean?


Here is a very popular inexpensive "exotic" cable that has been around a while and has a good reputation. Check their other offerings for even more of the measurements you desire. Lots of marketing hyperbole, too.

http://kimber.com/products/interconnects/analog/pbj/

thanks for that. No, I had no idea they were cryoed before use, and have no idea why that would be.

But, as I say, I don't know anything about it, evidently you do.

So...why do they cryo the cables (FMI) before use?

It is interesting, can you give me the link that explains it all so I can fix my missing general knowledge?

As this is an audio forum, am I to conclude that if they do in fact cryo the cables before use it is to help provide a better audio signal??

I would also assume that satellites and nuke warheads use gryoscopes...do you know where I can buy one for my system?

Thanks, looking forward to the links.

incorrect...........'typical' as you put it #12AWG multi strand cable has a nominal cap of 27-29 pF/ft, whereas 'signal cable' is spec'd out nominal @ 18.5 pF/ft (50% less)

I think you mean 27 is 50% more than 18. 18 is 33% less than 27.

Well, for starters, that would be only about 35% lower, not 50%.

My source was Roger Russell:

correct 'mc' , I was expressing more rather than less !


gottcha, FWIW, I was refrencing 'Mogami's' cable specs, regardless, I again am pleased with 'Signal Cables' products as I am sure those are of their even more affordable cable selections !

Ay yiy yiy. "Cryoed cables" are purely an audiophile thing and have no connection to military hardware at all. I don't know where you got this information from, but it's completely false. I worked in the defense business on missile and aircraft radar systems for 20 years. The wire and cable used in military electronics is specified by mil specs (MIL-W-XXXX). There is no special treatment of conductors whatsoever, other than to call out specific requirements for the material used (copper, copper-clad steel and so on). The specs themselves do require very specific things about dielectrics, as it relates to things like resistance to soldering heat and dielectric breakdown voltage. Indeed, some of the cables used in military hardware would horrify audiophiles. Some RF coax having thin center conductors actually use copper-clad steel as the center conductor for reasons of strength. Audiophiles often cringe at the use of magnetic materials for resistor end caps, so the thought of steel as a center conductor of a cable would send them screaming from the room.

Teflon insulation is specified in mil specs for hookup wire, but that's for mechanical considerations such as resistance to soldering heat.

Gotcha, rock bottom. I was reading about a guy that used to build the triggers for warheads, he claimed that critical cables were cryoed. The fact that he sells such cables might point to why he would say this.

Anyway, I stand corrected.

My comments about the empty boxes and 100K resistors came from another audio forum I found last night. Those comments were made by more than one poster who DID own the MIT cables and were curious about the "magic". They were opened up (hacksawed) and that is what they found. NOT a diode but a 1/2 w- 100k resistor. (Do you even know what a diode looks like and can you tell a germanium diode from a silicon diode? Ever see a 1/2 w resistor? What would the color code be for that? (that's an easy one for you Tess)

In one box, the resistor had only one lead connected to one speaker wire and the other lead floated free. They even commented as to the fact the MIT did not even hide the empty box with potting compound. How would they know about the potting compound without opening the box?

To Joe: I am in LA. Did you see the Mogami link? Those are the numbers I would like to see for your "products" There is nothing proprietary about a specification. About a patented manufacturing process, maybe but NOT the specs.

Audiophile in itself is not a derogatory term. If someone says "audiophile grade" that would, in the purest sense, mean a truly clean signal with low noise incursion, excellent shielding, etc. Audiophile does NOT necessarily mean audiophool style. Ever notice how the true cable pros never start talking about "deeper lows, punchier bass, airier highs etc? There is a reason for that. The engineers KNOW the physics behind what they are doing and know that we are simply talking about a passive device.

Notice that Mogami and every other legit manufacturer posts the data on line and in every hard copy catalog. If the big boys in the cable biz have no trouble publishing data available to everyone, why are you so anal about posting absolutely ZILCH. The more accurate data you publish the greater your sales. But it also means that your products must ACTUALLY perform as advertised.

I mentioned something about three cables? Reading comprehension, eh.

Yeah, I do have the link, and it is an interesting read. But don't look forward to it terry j. Focus instead upon your audio gyroscope.

I think Tess must have been tired. After all, defending the useless takes a lot out of you.