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Anyone tried or seen a Luxcine?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Saw this on ebay, has anyone seen one of these or tried one? I am guessing that it wouldn't handle HDCP since I see no mention of HDCP.



Luxcine Projection System
LED+Single LCD Technology
Basic information
Model: ESP214
Brightness
2000 commercial Lumens (40% higher than other HID projectors), 1200 Engineer Lumens, we cheched all the projectors most sold in ebay from china and this one have more brightness than others that show 1800 Lumens, so this will be considered 2000 Lumens commercial, see our video for check the difference of brightness and quality image.
Native Resolution SVGA (800 x 600)
Rescaled Resolution WVGA, XGA,WXGA, 480P,576i/P,720P,1080i
Contrast Ratio 800:1
Aspect Ratio 4:3/16:9
High Definition 1080i, HD compatible
Projection lens
Type Digital zoom and manual focus
material All glass
F-number 1.44
Focal Length 185mm
Zoom Ratio Digital zoom (100% to 80%)
Screen size 60" - 120"
Lamp
Lamp type LED( Cree XR-E Cool White LED lamps)
Lamp hours Normal mode: 20,000 hours
Supported Signals
Video NTSC / PAL
Computer XGA / SVGA / VGA
Inputs
Component Video 3 x RCA (YUV)
Com posit Video 1 x RCA
S-Video 1X S-Video
Computer 1 x RGB
HDMI 1X HDMI
Audio 2 x RCA
TV Set
Analogue TV Tuner
Output
Audio 2 x RCA, FM Transmitter for wireless headsets.
Image and sound adjustments
Keystone correction ± 12 degrees
Colour modes Dynamic, Living room, Theatre, Game
Sound modes N/A
Film format N/A
Others
Power consumption 85Watts
Weight 3.8Kgs
Dimensions 34*27*12(cm)
Package Dimensions 42*34*22(cm)
Warranty
Projector 1 Year / 20,000hr back to base warranty.
Lamp
Advanced features
Highlighted Technologies Patented Totally Enclosed Optical Engine, Dust-Free Tech;
Patented Heatpipe cooling system;
Patented LED light engine
Projection method: Front/Ceiling/Rear Front/Rear Ceiling
Accessories included Remote Control Power Cable 1.8m HDMI User Manual Spare Fuse 2x AAA Batteries
post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by star_man View Post

Saw this on ebay, has anyone seen one of these or tried one? I am guessing that it wouldn't handle HDCP since I see no mention of HDCP.

HDMI ports must support HDCP. If they don't support HDCP then they're not HDMI.

A few problems with them:

(1) Contrast. 800:1 is poor even for a business projector. For a HT projector it's pathetic.

(2) Brightness. Saying "it's brighter than the 1800 lumen Chinese projectors on Ebay, so it must be a 2000 lumen projector" is completely incorrect. It just means that you're only lying about as much as the sellers on Ebay. Brightness is likely to be far below the advertised level.

(3) Native resolution. It can take a HD signal, but the output is still 800x600 (or, if you give it a 16:9 source, 800x450). This is barely above DVD quality.

(4) Placement flexibility. There's no optical zoom and you can't really afford to use digital zoom (since that throws away pixels and you don't have many pixels available). No lens shift either.

(5) Expensive. The ones I've seen aren't cheap; you may well be able to get a decent 720P 3D projector for the same price. The lamp life is shorter, but you get a far better image.

Anyway, there's a mini-review here.
post #3 of 14
These are based on an old idea of stripping the lcds from laptops and projecting light through them into a condensor and through a lens creating a "slide" projector of sorts. You can find directions on youtube, etc. One of these inventive guys created a company called lumenlab.com and designed a prototype and took it to China, and they started making a commercial model back when 720p projectors were very expensive. However, projectors got cheap and much better, so the company dumped the idea and moved on. Since then, China took it and has been making knock-offs with cheap lcds used for dvd players, etc. With 720p projectors so cheap these days, they really can't compete, so they are more or less expensive toys...
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by threed123 View Post

These are based on an old idea of stripping the lcds from laptops and projecting light through them into a condensor and through a lens creating a "slide" projector of sorts. You can find directions on youtube, etc. One of these inventive guys created a company called lumenlab.com and designed a prototype and took it to China, and they started making a commercial model back when 720p projectors were very expensive. However, projectors got cheap and much better, so the company dumped the idea and moved on. Since then, China took it and has been making knock-offs with cheap lcds used for dvd players, etc. With 720p projectors so cheap these days, they really can't compete, so they are more or less expensive toys...

Nice story but I have my doubts. Everything and anything can be made in China so to suggest that this unit was due to a trickle-down sounds good but you have to understand that so much technology has found its way to China that there's not much they can't copy and build. So why take an old idea and base a new product off that when there's newer technology to copy? Maybe they are just that limited but I'd doubt it.

I'm interested in anything that's lampless or lampless-like(i.e. 10s of thousands for MTBF)

Funny thing about this unit (amongst the many funny things) is that the they go on and on about the bulb life of 20,000 hours but then only offer 2 years. There are only 17,520 hours in 2 years so their confidence falls short. But of course few makers back up their products with more than words.

Seems like it would be fine for business presos and it's fairly cheap so maybe not just a toy.
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by star_man View Post

Nice story but I have my doubts. Everything and anything can be made in China so to suggest that this unit was due to a trickle-down sounds good but you have to understand that so much technology has found its way to China that there's not much they can't copy and build. So why take an old idea and base a new product off that when there's newer technology to copy? Maybe they are just that limited but I'd doubt it.

It's much cheaper to build them that way.

Proper 3-LCD projectors require complicated optics to combine the light from all three panels properly. DLP projectors require the DLP chips, which are very hard to make.

Using 5" LCD panels means that they can just use off-the-shelf components. They do the same with the lamps too - that Luxcine one just uses a couple of standard Cree LEDs. They don't need their own DLP or LCD manufacturing facilities, which cuts down the start-up cost a lot. They also don't need to do much R&D work.

Since these companies are generally aiming for the low-budget market, it makes more sense to save some money than to spend a lot more for better image quality.
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Originally Posted by star_man View Post

Funny thing about this unit (amongst the many funny things) is that the they go on and on about the bulb life of 20,000 hours but then only offer 2 years. There are only 17,520 hours in 2 years so their confidence falls short. But of course few makers back up their products with more than words.

That's completely normal. Have you ever seen any projector manufacturer actually offer a warranty on the lamp for the entire rated life? Normally they only offer a warranty for a few hundred hours of use.
post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by SLATYE View Post

It's much cheaper to build them that way.

You're re-stating what I've said.
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Proper 3-LCD projectors require complicated optics to combine the light from all three panels properly. DLP projectors require the DLP chips, which are very hard to make.

Just a matter of time, figuring out what was wrong in the previous generation is the hard part, China will take current generation and copy. It's there modus operandi.
I heard a story of an operator that had left China, worked for 5-6 years in Thailand(I think), he ran the same machine every day for 5 years and each day he went home, wrote down notes about the machine. Eventually he had every detail of the machine. He went back to China and with help, money and engineering, they built that machine. The entire village survived based on that machine's production. I wouldn't be surprised if DLP manufacturing hasn't been figured out by now.

Anyway was curious about the quality of these lampless-like pjs.

They're making progress, it won't be long now that we have cheap, lampless HD pjs.

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Using 5" LCD panels means that they can just use off-the-shelf components. They do the same with the lamps too - that Luxcine one just uses a couple of standard Cree LEDs. They don't need their own DLP or LCD manufacturing facilities, which cuts down the start-up cost a lot. They also don't need to do much R&D work.

re-stating what I've already said.

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Since these companies are generally aiming for the low-budget market, it makes more sense to save some money than to spend a lot more for better image quality.
That's completely normal. Have you ever seen any projector manufacturer actually offer a warranty on the lamp for the entire rated life? Normally they only offer a warranty for a few hundred hours of use.

It's why I said:
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Originally Posted by star_man View Post

"But of course few makers back up their products with more than words."
post #7 of 14
Picking up an old thread.
Luxcine now has a native 720p projector: ESP300 with HDMI, 1080p support, contrast1200:1 and power consumption 100W
Cant find any data regarding ANSI lumen...

http://www.luxcine.com/projector_214_s.php

Any of you with more info or hands-on experience?
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by star_man View Post

Lamp type LED( Cree XR-E Cool White LED lamps)


Seriously... i have these in my aquarium. They are like 7.99 each.



What kind of hack-job crap is this....
post #9 of 14
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notryt01
7 hours ago

Do not buy any Luxcine products. I purchased a esp200at in Aug2010. I had to sent them $50 more than original because of the USA tuner. Then I got it with No REMOTE. needed to access certain functions on the projector, Was told this was a esp200IH with a USA tuner. Got it , Wrong Color, NO SD card reader NO USB, NO Music2FM.. Basically I payed a lot more for less. Luxcine said they would replace, now say I need to send it to CA. for evaluation (another $25) No remote No replacement. Stay Away!
Not only that the digital tuner does not scan in any analog cable channels so I am left watching on 30 of my 92 available cable channels...
post #10 of 14
Last weekend,I bought a luxcine C7,maybe a new type of a projector they launched , i must say ,i was surprised, I never found such price can give me so amazing effect . But,i think ,it is bad for my son ,coz he was so obsessing to paly game there. humm . Which i like it best is , it is a built-in WIFI and Android OS ,it just like a computer,can connect my phone , ipad ,aha I can do what i want there ,I think they achieve what they said ,it is a real a home multifunctional projector
post #11 of 14
Really, new skin and so new silly features and we are starting all over with the single panel junk?
post #12 of 14
Luxcine , in my opinion,is a booming and promising brand. why i said this coz these days ,i witness its progress. many famous and broad projects have found luxcine, esp, this year,the deal is almost 30k. why they can enjoy such big deal,just for their good quaility,best service, luxcine has lunched C5 &C7 priviously,this year ,it will launch C7D with 3D-link tech. it's a booming year,i think
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by lihyu View Post

Luxcine , in my opinion,is a booming and promising brand. why i said this coz these days ,i witness its progress. many famous and broad projects have found luxcine, esp, this year,the deal is almost 30k. why they can enjoy such big deal,just for their good quaility,best service, luxcine has lunched C5 &C7 priviously,this year ,it will launch C7D with 3D-link tech. it's a booming year,i think

How much do they pay you to troll forums?
post #14 of 14
Luxcine C7 is available now on Amazon.com for usd 600? Why I choose this one where LGPA75U is almost that price? and has 700 lumens plus tons of

features. whereas C7 has only 500 lumens and a NO name projector. But one thing bothers me, this PJ earned almost all a Possitive reviews from

Amazon buyer. Does Amazon reviews are true & accurate?. Anyone tried & tested it with this China projector?
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