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My review of Samsung 2010 PN50C7000

post #1 of 16
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Purchased the PN50C7000 + the 3d starter kit (2 3d glasses, do not have a 3d bluray player so did not test the included Monsters vs. Aliens disc) at BB a couple of days ago and here are my observations:
I am a passionate newbie just trying to find the best TV that can also play 3d, my TV is about four feet away from a side facing large window so both daylight and nighttime performance is important. My previous TV was a 52' samsung lcd glossy screen lcd.

Black Level on an overcast day: Not as black as I hoped, very dark gray but not black, especially the black bars on sides. I can now believe the reviewers that say the 2010's do not have the black levels of the 2009's or Panny's. A little darker at night but still not 'black'.
Buzzing: Yes, my couch is about 8ft in front of TV (TV and is on a 1.8 foot TV stand) and with TV volume set around 20 (low volume) you can definitely hear the constant buzz (slightly annoying, not overpowering, just discernible in a quiet room or when I press pause). Buzzing became a touch louder after 15 hours of use but has since stayed constant. I do not know if these are any louder than the 800 series plasma Samsung's of 2009.
Daylight performance: Good if on 'Dynamic Mode' setting but way too dark on other settings (maybe I am used to lcd level brightness of my previous samsung). Although Dynamic mode at daytime is bright, it also introduces more noise and artifacting and greens are way too bright. Maybe my calibration settings are wrong.
Heating: Back panel gets very hot after long use (2+ hours).
Screen: Reflective, can still see myself and couch, even on a cloudy day and only slightly better than my super glossy screen lcd samsung. Disappointed as I thought Samsung introcuded a new anit-reflective coating for the 2010 C7000 & 8000 series.
3D performance of the Masters Tournament: Not bad but I do see some cross talk/ double image (more than I would like) on some clips. Turning your head has no effect on 3D performance which was a relief as the 3d led tv's from Samsung would go 'dark'. The time cursor bar (that pops up when using the play/pause/ff/rw buttons) that is used on my Motorola DVR produces a overlapping dizzying double image (cursor bar) when I was watching the tournament.
2D-to-3D feature - One of the main reasons why I bought this plasma. Why not watch everything in 3d? After extensive viewing and testing, this feature does not produce a believable 3d image and nothing close to native 3d content. I tried this on all types of broadcasts = movies, news, sports and the resulting effect was so mediocre I quickly grew tired of this function. The converted image gets noticeably darker and soon the inconvenience of wearing the glasses outweigh any benefits of this feature. Disappointed as I was expecting a little more from this feature and my main reason to buy this Samsung over the Panasonic. If I have to put on the glasses I want to be blown away by the realistic 3D effect - I think this would be the only way 3d will be accepted by the masses.

Just an FYI - When I was at the BestBuy they had the Kuro 2007 Test Disc in the Blu Ray player hooked up the PN50C7000. I ran all the major tests and I remember that the tv failed the cross talk test (the one with the four ties on a black backdrop) and the fast rotating propellor test (I guess this tests image processor robustness). It seemed to do ok on the other tests though.

I was expecting great things from the PN50C7000 but the mediocre black levels, reflective screen, slight buzzing, and disappointing 2D-3D function will probably make me look at the VT20/25's from Panasonic and I will be returning the PN50C7000 soon. When I saw Panasonics' 3d demo material in store I did not see any cross talking which was constantly present during my time with the PN50c7000 viewing the Masters in 3D (is it just a bad broadcast?).
post #2 of 16
You could have bought the 3D BR player and got the 3D starter kit for free but since you are taking it back it doesn't matter. Sorry you don't like the set. I have it and there is no buzzing, black levels are fine. Everything is opposite of your findings. I've found the masters 3D very unlifelike, I think it needs a lot of tweaking. Looks better with the conversion. I find the conversion very life like and makes watching TV seem like watching real life. That being said, my wife doesn't find the conversion to her liking. She does like "M vs A" 3D BR but AFAIK 3D movies are made with exaggerated 3D. The conversion may be a matter of taste.

BTW, did you try adjusting the 3D depth setting?
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post

You could have bought the 3D BR player and got the 3D starter kit for free but since you are taking it back it doesn't matter. Sorry you don't like the set. I have it and there is no buzzing, black levels are fine. Everything is opposite of your findings. I've found the masters 3D very unlifelike, I think it needs a lot of tweaking. Looks better with the conversion. I find the conversion very life like and makes watching TV seem like watching real life. That being said, my wife doesn't find the conversion to her liking. She does like "M vs A" 3D BR but AFAIK 3D movies are made with exaggerated 3D. The conversion may be a matter of taste.

BTW, did you try adjusting the 3D depth setting?

bill that user is probably talking about lcd not plasma..
so can you post some pictures of your set ? thanks
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by MIGUELCM7 View Post

bill that user is probably talking about lcd not plasma..
so can you post some pictures of your set ? thanks

Actually a major retail/online in Chicago with a great Rep has incredible pre-order prices (shipping in the next few weeks) on the PLASMA 54 and 58"+Blue-ray (high end one) + 2 glasses. THIS IS NOT for price discussion. If people want to PM me fine. I had to pay tax (no shipping of course from this place) since I live in Chicago.

Buying big items I WANT to get it from a good place.

Panasonic vs. Samsung.

Wow this is really hard. I think, in the end, both will be great. Samsung wins in form factor by far - the WAF is 100% buy it NOW When I saw the 3D under GOOD conditions SAME MOVIE both were amazing.....

But seeing the Samsung in 3D MODE in BAD conditions (50" BB, non magnolia) there was so much ghosting - painful.

Sounds like the Panasonic is more "out of the box" easy to get good 3D. The Samsung takes more work from teh official threads and seems like bright light will ruin the 3D effect.

Under low light I pulled the HDMI out of each of them. They were both nearly black. I could tell the Panny was better after staring at them. At the same time, I love my well tuned Mits DLP (TI ver 4) and the black and contrast are so much better that it is staggering. So in some ways we are all arguing over the "best" but this is so good..... kinda makes me care more about usability, HDMI-CEC, form factor than 1/2 as black as near black

Finally, the GLARE seemed so little on the Samsung I am confused what people are talking about. I saw it first in BB, middle of store, ENORMOUS lights. No problem.

PM me for the person to talk to for good price..


sjc
post #5 of 16
I was also not impressed with with the 7000 plasma when I saw it. I think the 2009 8 series was nicer. IMO, the only high end plasma worth buying this year is the Panny VT. That has an impressive "KURO-esque" picture.
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by scorpio_87 View Post

I was also not impressed with with the 7000 plasma when I saw it. I think the 2009 8 series was nicer. IMO, the only high end plasma worth buying this year is the Panny VT. That has an impressive "KURO-esque" picture.

So why were you not impressed? Did you put it on movie mode?
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by scorpio_87 View Post

I was also not impressed with with the 7000 plasma when I saw it. I think the 2009 8 series was nicer. IMO, the only high end plasma worth buying this year is the Panny VT. That has an impressive "KURO-esque" picture.

The real question is, how long will that Kuro-esque picture last?
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

So why were you not impressed? Did you put it on movie mode?

The front filter isn't that dark. It's about as dark as the G20, but not as inky black as last year's Samsungs or the KUROS and Panasonic VT. Moreover, the black levels are worse this year, around .03 fL. That's worse than even a typical post-rise Panasonic.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

The real question is, how long will that Kuro-esque picture last?

Well, no one said it was perfect

There aren't many black level measurements yet, but the few out there are around .004 fL. Triple that and you get .012, which might still be better than any competing plasma this year.

Beyond the voltage goof, I still think Panasonic will have the best plasmas not only this year, but next year and beyond. Samsung and LG just don't seem that interested in PDP.
post #10 of 16
But the THIN sammy is really pretty.....

At what point is black good enough? Hell I love my self tuned DLP
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by MIGUELCM7 View Post

bill that user is probably talking about lcd not plasma..
so can you post some pictures of your set ? thanks

Here's a black&white,close to what it looks like. The color picture doesn't do it justice. Wouldn't buy it if it looked like that. Posting pictures is of little use. Really only for showing bad problems.
LL
LL
post #12 of 16
I just purchased the PN50C7000 as well. I replaced it from a Mitsubishi WS-48511 projection wide screen.

I pretty much concur with the comments on this review. The black levels are not very impressive a I also was hoping for better dark details.

In particular my daughter likes to watch wall-e and in the beginning when he goes to sleep on his shelf the whole picture is extremely dark and I can hardly see any of the picture. His room the shelf etc can hardly see any of it. This scene shocked me as I don't think I can be satisfied knowing that dark movies are going to be difficult to watch.

I also am probably going to go with the Panasonic or see if the PN50C8000 is any better. Id rather stick w/ Samsung, but probably wont.

Note watching sports or video with limited blacks seem to look great.
Haven't noticed or cant hear any buzzing on this TV.
post #13 of 16
Its a shame you are not happy with your set. However, i do feel its wrong to compare a mid range model to a flagship model and basically expect the same quality. Costing almost twice as much, offcourse the Panasonic has better PQ
post #14 of 16
I upgraded the FW to v1019.1 and calibrated the color settings.

I now see a HUGE difference in picture quality. I'm very likely now going to keep it... though I still see more ghosting then I'd like to ever see.

Far as the Panasonic the black levels are probably still a edge ahead, but the picture clarity I'd say is better defined w/ the new FW.

The shipping FW 1009 is horrible, if anyone has a new 6500, 7000 or 8000 plasma you really should upgraded the FW.

FW is on Samsung's site and calibration setting you can find by searching these forums.
post #15 of 16
The Samsung q and a site used to say this TV was skype capable. I even chatted with tech support and they confirmed that it was indeed skype capable. I tried chatting again today and they gave me the same false info. Turns out, it is only the LED tvs that are Skype capable. Now I'm stuck with a useless $150 camera. Also, I have found that the codecs that are supposedly supported in the Media Play feature do not work properly. If you just want a TV, this is a good option, but please be very careful if you are buying it for features.

I am hoping that they provide a firmware update, rather than alienate a customer base
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by janderson36 View Post

I'm very likely now going to keep it... though I still see more ghosting then I'd like to ever see.


I saw this TV today at Best Buy. I demoed the 3D with the MvA 3D Blu Ray. I didn't notice any ghosting at all. What I did notice however, was picture quality that just didn't look that good. I went into the TV menu, and I think the settings were all jacked up. I didn't have much time, so I couldn't really screw around with the settings to try to get it to look right.

The Panasonic looks MUCH better, but the Panny just costs too much $$$. I don't have an extra grand burning a hole in my pocket.
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